Is that what you were saying 27 million people are controlling the other (HOW?) 273 million people of which 240 million are christians. Do you ever think about the things you write? Have we ever had a non-christian president? How many congressmen and senators do you think are not christian. Guess those good old boys aren't in control of anything ... it's all the atheists fault??? I don't like the entertainment industry so much that I stopped watching ALL TV, I don't bitch about how it is ruining my life, I ignore it and I explain it to my children as necessary (used to anyway). You don't want to take responsibility for anything it seems, easier to destroy things than it is to try to understand them because that requires a rounded education just to begin, one of those pitfalls in life you don't have to deal with. I am warning you to stop with this “Secular Humanism etc.” garbage it is really getting on my nerves … take this as you wish but you had better think it over. You cannot argue against me so you pick your title (atheist etc.) and you argue against that and you assign me with every evil you can think of that someone else may or may not have done because you are a scaredy-cat. Chickie, you believe in original sin, a 6k universe, magic as your only explanation and prostrate yourself forever … whatever floats your boat. I DON’T!

All those stupid names you have for everyone else is the epitome of the straw man argument. There are no secular humanist parties, no voting options, no tea party shits, and no cathedrals or other places of bondage. There is no atheistic church or bible or anything else because you KNOW what an atheist is … no deities. So you argue about all sorts of gobbledygook that you have preconfigured for you. That’s why your major is in “copy and paste” and why you cannot actually defend any of your own profound examples … and why you state them as facts … because you are clueless. They used the same science we use but they know how it is supposed to be done, hahaha. There are only two things you can do: 1 – You can lie about the bible and claim every word divine because you just know, and 2 – You can lie about everything you do not understand approve of and about which you are devoid of any facts because you have never looked. Not my problem as I will continue to go with the 99.9% of the wacky conspiring pseudoscientists and you can stay with your 0.1% of real scientists. Not a problem for me because I am in good company.

This shit has got to stop!!!

 

Lula we need to stop the nonsense. You believe in a young earth inspired by your book which you think is inspired and maintained by a deity. And because you think god personally told you what’s what which is untrue, you think that everything you don’t agree with must be wrong and therefore needs … has … to be argued against, no further thought necessary. That is fine if that is your choice. But you are way too emotional as are your answers and you have told me that you are angry often and I don’t like angry life is just too short for it.  You are welcome to your beliefs but I ask you to question why you are so personally filled with anger considering your peaceful religion and its benevolent deity, just doesn’t register. You say you are a literal biblical realist and YEC but this is not our reality, disingenuous.

Oh, I have discovered an error (IMO) on the age of the earth, it is 4.45 byo not 4.54 byo as I first thought.  So I say 4.45 billion years old and you say 6,000 years old, an error of a factor of 741,667 and that is a typical biblical error and a lot of difference. Under this handicap I cannot discuss anything beyond the 6k mark in history which I tried to do previously and you shrugged me off more than once. “And let’s be honest” … if you feel inclined to say crap like this then I can only assume you aren’t being earnest or are being disingenuous.

You cannot make a general list like this --“Academia, government education, publishing, Hollywood, the mainstream media, Science, Wall Street, banking, most town and city councils, the unions, … in short, just about everything since the 1960 cultural and sexual revolutions. “-- and possibly think it is intelligible. There are plenty of people on both sides in all these generalizations of yours … it is just a quick way to attack what you don’t like en mass because you don’t know how to do it any other way. You do the same for homos, atheists, humanists, democrats, the educated, the experienced, secularists, Muslims, Jews, Hindus anyone not indoctrinated etc. and anyone not yet coerced. Nice comprehensive groups for you to belittle at every turn. You lady are a scaredy-cat and you are hiding beneath the skirts of the RCC which you accept as god’s authority on earth, a crock of malarkey. If you or they could prove anything non-mental … anything at all … it would have been produced by now surely. If you could argue the age of the earth (no reason you had to bring the universe into it but you did???) to be 6,000 years old, well THAT is not a very long time at all and that should be the easiest thing in the world to prove … unless of course it is NOT true. Most of the creationists you use aren’t YEC’s because even they know better; this battle has been over for quite some time. What most of them are trying to do is brake evolutionary theory just like you, but they are using the same science as us and their results are not near 6,000 years either. So you use their shoddy work whenever you refute your Darwinian evolution nonsense (because only their numbers are right and only they know how science works) … but you completely ignore their numbers too when you get to the bible and your 6k nonsense. They are YOUR proper scientists but … can only be trusted to break things, just like you. You don’t like numbers much at all unless they are scripture numbers.

Prove that Obama is not a christian (no opinion here) because I am tired of you just saying stuff like this … just to ignore the point and all the rest of the idiots in congress (and presidents) as usual, no power there at all, disingenuous.

I don’t mind writing but I am not going to defend every aspect of my life and everything I have come to understand and believe in … because you want the earth to be 6,000 years old … I worked too hard to allow this bollox. You have never wanted any truthful answers from me but sadly that is all I have tried to give. As you have already decided that ALL (and I mean all) 479,300 (99.85%) of the US earth science experts (my guys) are all screwed up (taught in school) while the remaining 700 (0.15%) the creation experts (your guys) are the only competent ones (not taught in school) … and you come to me for clarification a fight, disingenuous.

Even your clergy have councils and gatherings to make decisions and vote … do you must think they all think exactly alike? If that were true they wouldn’t need to vote, but they do and for good reasons. There are people in all capacities of life that have their own agendas, are crazy or are insufficiently knowledgeable and need to be overridden by vote. The majority do not agree with the minority so that only the majority has any say so in the outcome. You people have never admitted outsiders especially scientists in your theological decision making and have a history of impeding science as stringently as possible (and still are today, no change there). The point being you guys decide amongst yourselves and only amongst yourselves the right course. You accept no outside opinion, no proof at all, and you could care less for science or an education. It works just the same for the educated (except the education and science part) only we have much more strict requirements and always require proof.

Stellar evolution, Cosmic Evolution, Darwinian Evolution and Theistic Evolution are NOT SCIENCES. They are things you have assigned your own meanings to so you can denigrate everything you disagree with all at one time with two word ‘evolution-something or the other’. Your purported experts don’t call their fields of study (their sciences if you will) stellar evolution, cosmic evolution, Darwinian evolution or theistic evolution, now do they … just you do when talking about science, disingenuous.

One more chance to be honest: Why do you hate what you call Darwinian evolution the way you do? You have never been honest with me before with these little tests. I actually know why, but let’s see what you say with this warning attached.

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Disingenuous. You couldn't get to the end of this sentence, nor could you keep it out of the next one, hump. I would say your attention span is zero??? I read the article and I don't care much for France or what goes on there because I don't have my sights set on dominating the rest of the world, We have plenty of problems here that need to be addressed. You know me so well; did you expect me to become RCC sensitive because of this article?

 

 

 

No confusion on my part, please do not reference me anymore on this post because I am done with your stupidity, your closed mind and your inability to think for yourself. I tried … Good bye!!! I don't need the practice and you don't care.

 

By 'rights' here you mean the Christian's free exercise of religion.

Well, tell that to the soldiers in the military who are being forced to accept homosexuality as just a normal, alternate sexual practice or to the chaplain who is being forced to marry 2 men or 2 women.  They are getting the State (civil) Religion of Secular and Atheistic Humanism handed to them.

I would add the US military to the list of the few Atheists, Agnostics who control the many.  

I do not believe in any religion and it is irrelevant to me what a court has decided for expediancy. Religion is a con racket and as with most con rackets it worls best on the hard of thinking.

And as for faith the whole idea of having to bend my knee and apologise for stuff I have never done is ludicrous.

Of course you do...you just don't know it or don't want to know it.

 

LOL, now that sounds to me a lot like the other great get out of jail free card that the religious often bandy about when faced with insurmountable evidence, you gotta have faith! Seriously Lula, perhaps when I am on my death bed I will want to engage in wishful thinking about an afterlife but whilst I still have my senses about me I will occupy myself with more pressing, and real, matters than having to follow a load of instructions invented by bearded types thousands of years ago...

I don't believe in a creator.

 

You don't have to believe in your creator to have one.

 

 

 

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You certainly do speak as a religious humanist whose faith is placed in the god of self and/or of man.

It's mighty presumptuous to wait until one's deathbed to think about afterlife.

Consider this. In this life, these 'pressing, real matters' that you talk about are fleeting. What could be more pressing than where one will spend their eternal life?

As if practicing your religion of atheistic humanism---that man is independent from God and can make his own rules--- isn't following a load of instructions invented by someone, bearded or otherwise!

 

Yes, I persist in calling Secular and Atheistic Humanism a religion for good reason.....becasue that's exactly what they are ever since 1965.

I would agree with you if we limit ourselves to Webster's primary definition of religion which is " the belief and worship of God ", then Secular Humanism is not a religion. But when you get to Webster's 4th definition... that religion is " anything done or followed with reverence or devotion", then based on this expansion of the definition, Secular Humanism fits the definition of religion. This is exactly what the court case, United States vs Seeger, did in 1965....it essentially broadened the definition of the word "religion". Buddhism fits with this 4th definition. Buddhism is one of the world's leading religions, yet Buddhists don't believe in or worship a Supreme Being called God.

Call my replies what you will....All I did was point out the truth.

 

Hmmm...this is your implicit humour and irony?  (No wonder I missed it!!!)

So you wouldn't consider being negligent in the more pressing, and real, matters of the world, but have no problem neglecting the affairs of eternity of which all depends?  How wise is that? 

 

Does truth matter?

Many fail to believe in eternal life (either Heaven or Hell)  not because of intellectual difficulties but because the truth goes counter to their passions and puts a definite limit to their independence.

It's the fool indeed who prepares not for his eternity with God.

 

Yes, "You do not have to believe in a Creator to have one" is a valid argument, but evidently, it went right over your head.

You may not believe in Creator God but your unbelief has no bearing on His existence.

 

 Yes, tragically, people kill each other, but how much killing is really religiously motivated due to say, practicing Christianity?

What about "religion-free" atheistic slaughter from the 1900 to 2000? 100 million lives killed in Stalin's Soviet Gulag State, Mao Zedong's Communist China, Hitler's Nazism, and Pol Pot Khmer Rouge. It's indisputable that all the religions in the world put together in all of history didn't kill as many people as in the name of atheism in the past few decades.

 

OK, one last post from me, I take the bait

First of all please feel free to label me as a humanist though if I was forced to label myself as anything it would be a socialist with anarchist tendencies. However, I am not trying to argue that humanism is right but that religion is a fabrication. Human relationships and the laws and rules of society can be constructed without the need for a supernatural being, and, even worse still, those who preach that they know the mind of God.

You mention Hitler, Stalin and other mass murderers and make some bold and I humbly suggest incorrect claims about whether more people have been killed by religious zealots or 'humanists' but again that is not any point I am arguing - it is you who feels the need to 'win' an argument in respect of 'proving' how religion is better than non-religion. I know good and bad people of both 'persuasions'.

I will state again, I do not believe in God or religion. You make a throwaway comment that I must be a fool not to prepare for eternity with God. I ask you, how do you know (i) that God exists? (ii) that you know what he is thinking? (iii) that he is in fact a 'he' at all? (iv) if my unbelief has no bearing on his existence why will he not leave me alone?

When you suggest that I have no concern for eternity you state assertion as fact yet again. and ultimately Lula that is why it is tedious to debate with you. Whatever argument is put before you, you respond with unsupported nonsense and supposition.

And my final point - YOU WRITE:

"Does truth matter?

Many fail to believe in eternal life (either Heaven or Hell)  not because of intellectual difficulties but because the truth goes counter to their passions and puts a definite limit to their independence."

This is absolute nonsense, lacking in argument, evidence or reason. It has no logic and makes no sense. Split the sentence into two (just after 'difficulties') and it makes you appear quite foolish really. I can only imagine you were drinking a large glass of red wine when you typed those words and that what you intended to state didn't come out right. Are you seriously suggesting that I ignore 'TRUTH' because I wish to lead a libertine existence and shag myself silly to the grave, drinking and womanising but that belief in religion would inhibit such behaviour and so I ignore the truth? There is no intellectual difficulty involved in disbelieving in the supernatural and secondly, many 'moral' people who live a 'moral' life have no need for a deity. Personally though I quite like wine, women and song but then my moniker suggest as much.

As Keats wrote, "Beauty is truth and truth beauty, that is all ye know on earth and all ye need to know."

Adios, sayonara, auvoir, goodbye, auf widersehen, ta ta Lulapilgrim, I can't pretend it's been a blast but good luck and God bless all the same.

 

 

 

I may be wrong, but it sure looks like you were trying to make your point that bloodthirsty,religious zealots kill a lot of people. My response is correct btw.

Sorry, it was not me, but you who suggests you have no concern for eternity.....when you wrote: