After about 30 minutes of attempting to play this----I think i am finally beaten. Once again I play this game everynight..I have played for hundreds of hours with no sov pictures, sideways arrows, spells, buildings and heroes that do not do what the tool tip says. I have continued to play even knowing that some factions are virtually unplayable because CORE mechanics dont work...cant play death if your spells make pretty lights and do not do damage. So i download the beta and start in.....City placement is now MORE restrictive and the maps suck as bad as always....now not only do have to find the forest and the river and the food resource BUT you also have to have ESSENCE...CTRl-N like never before. Your cities now intentionally mow down those trees that you need for another building...every single time. OUR cities have to be shunted into a useless growth path almost immediately---an empty que is good for what? OUTPOSTS...not even gonna go there. Seriously guys.
Who are you guys making this game for? We still have errors from three or four patches back that are still here and now we see that the results of the last six months are just to make things prettier and put us on a rail system of city management and gameplay........one spot might get you a good city..one choice...is a decision with only one correct outcome a choice?...in character development.
Fall from heaven kept me going for years because you could get big and loud and stupid and just plop anywhere and try to pull it out. Right now with this patch you better ctrl-n about 20 more times....and you had better not take more than 2 turns to plop somewhere. Can we have a vote for choice? Going to sign off and go download AION...seriously guys.....have a beer and step back and think about what you are doing.
IF you want us reduced to ONE sov ONE city spot on the map ONE correct path ...then just make a video for youtube and people like me that want to PLAY a game can just move on.
Took a break had a smoke and came back ....Froggie Kael and others, speaking for myself, the enjoyment of games if from choices. We are at a point where all our choices are being reduced constantly.
First- abandon essence...it is subtractive not additive.
Second. FIX known errors. sideways arrows and spells that do not work. And 3d models why dont they work? If you need me to bring my PC and show up at the office then we can do that but when I cant see my sov then i really dont have a sense of attachement with the game.
third put stuff back in ---streamlining is exactly NOT the way we want to go. tech tree should be big and bushy and have a couple of choices that are plain foolish.....give us a jester college or a gypsy camp just for the hell of it. Give us back every building, sov, stupid spell, caravan and just plain nonsense. IT IS A world not an amusemaent park I do not want to stand in a line I want to run around in circles and go woohoo. STOR is failing miserably because it a storyline driven ONE track game.
Fourth MAKE more spots to build a city....I can live with a 4-3 if it has a forest or a grain or a mana shard.....but when it takes 10 ctrl-ns to get the minimum playable requirements, then i am just reloading and not Playing.
Sovs--where to start. Give us back the unseen. Quit giving the remainders lobotomies.....pressing end turn while waiting for a troop to back up your sov so they can walk 10 hexes away is just foolish. I could walk an entire FFH map with my leader...Cant do that in FE. I dont care if he or she is smoking hot on turn 300...if she dies eight times before level 5 then she is useless.
CIV 5 has show us exactly how to kill almost an entire segment of the gaming market. TAKE AWAY CHOICES. There are still people playing FALL from Heaven in huge numbers because it was big and bold. Warlock is gaining converts because they added...what? MORE choices.
Yes there is a segment of games that almost certainly requires the correct choices to play successfully- You can crash and burn in Mechwarrior and End of nations if you dont follow a pretty restrictive path....strategy games arent like that we want to build a stupid pyramid on an island just because we can...and beat the hell out of the greeks while we are doing it.....so guys once again i write basically the same damn post asking for more and getting less.
Hound out
Once again i am told to go play something else...go back and read the horrible reviews of WOM....I'LL wait. We are still dealing with the SAME errors. We have had 6 patches and we still get headless sovs. That does not instill confidence in players. We were explicitly told that we were going to get a playable game. A game that can not load a new game from inside the UI is not playable. You can go ahead and say whatever you want about the three pages of bug reports and 12 threads that say nice game, the reveiwers will destroy stardock if they dont fix some things that have been in this code since it was released. Just continue to come in here and tell me about how my attitude is bad or directly address the problems that are in this game. Frogboy and Kael seem to forget that this game was turkey of the year and it still has the same errors that made it that way, making a new city look pretty is not going to help if the game crashes repeatedly. We are driving rapidly towards the point where either this game is going to get released AS is or dropped. I want a game that I can play. Simple. I do not want to see more of the load screen than the ui.
Update I just had to reload again for the fourth time during this map for the problem with units getting stuck while moving. That is the kind of problems that we need to get rid of.
edit 5th time so i guess i will have to start a new map.
There are bugs, if not it would not be a BETA. I will whine if they persist in the release version. Now its far too early.. chill out
OK mate - I guess we're not getting through to you - I for one have a lot more interesting things to do with my time (including playing the game, btw) than to try any further to talk some sense to you... keep whining
FE is a BETA product. Do you even know what that means?
You complain as though this is a finished, post release product.
Beta means finding bugs, reporting them and giving constructive criticism and NOT whining because it doesn't measure up to your self styled image of a game.
These guys don't have endless pots of money, developers and time and certainly no patience to pander to the sort of ignorant drivel and childish tantrums evident with posts like yours.
If you can't assist with the process in a civil manner then stop filling the boards with trash comments that point you out to be more of a hinderance than a help.
It is vital to keep reporting bugs that you keep experiencing. That said, I don't see a single bug report from the original poster. If you are crashing then submit a proper bug report - just talking about it in a feedback thread doesn't do anyone any good. If you are having an issue, your best option is to either report it properly or ignore it.
OP needs to work on his communication skills. He/she needs to learn how to best get a point across. Being hostile to forum-goers and developers isn't the way in this particular scenario where OP is just another player.
darkehound is the ultimate troll...
Frankly, in it's current state this game is completely enjoyable and playable. Sure work is to be done, but you sir have proven yourself to be an idiot and child....
I think that last part is going a bit far. A person who is stuck deep in an unproductive rut isn't an idiot, but I would suggest that there's no reason to pay attention to their calls to jump into that rut alongside them.
I agree with some of what you said and disagree with others. (I like essense more choices.) STOR is a very good game however the Space Combat is lame as hell. I much perfer CIV5 over any other CIV game (And I have been playing them since the 1st civ game came out.) Since I love tactical combat in games the CIV5 while not actully having Tactical combat per say does turn the whole mape into a big Tactical combat game which I love. I also Like Warlock which is basically a Fantasy version of CIV5 however it is not as complicated which is bad. It would be nice if Warlock had more CIV5 game mechanics.
Anyway I personally never no matter what choose the cheaters way out and hit CTRL-N I take what I get and work from there, after all the game is suppose to be challanging and a poor starting position makes for a very challanging game.
The bugs do need to be fixed. Personally I have stepped away from the game for a while because while it is improving it still does not rope me in like AOW:SM, Total War, King Arthur, CIV5, GalCiv2 or Warlock does. At least not yet. Game is tiring right now so stepping away from it would prevent me from burnout. Besides I have many games I can play now to include STar Wars Online
1. I like essence. I think it is a great addition, so I completely disagree with this. I hope they expand it to the champions to nerf them.
2. The only thing I have run into is the memory leak, and the end of turn problem. Both have been reduced significantly and will probably continue down this path. I have seen the sideways arrows and staff bolts--this is an aesthetics problem, and has been reported. Will see if this is fixed in the next beta. I have not experienced the spells not working.
3. I am not even sure what you mean on this. You want to research and build something that has no meaning. If you want a jester college at least let it decrease unrest by a couple points.
4. I do not want every starting position to be perfect. If you want to CTRL-N to get the perfect spot then by all means go ahead. Last night I started a game at a 3-3-1 just to try it..
Sovs. I do think the Sovs need something extra, but only in comparison to the champions. I think Champions are to powerful. I would also prefer that the Sovereigns could also be injured if they lose a battle. I think the fact that they never get hurt, and cannot die is a part of the issue with immersion. If they lose a battle it just costs some mana. I disagree with you on the Sovs since I am completely opposite of what you want.
I did not like Warlock. Also, I agree only in the sense that the viable beginning settlement locations are too sparse.
Ins,
I disagree, respectfully, but still. The bugs, are to be fixed. Period. If they are not, there is a huge probability, that fixing them at the last phase will introduce new bugs, which will result in bugs on release. Worse, some of the bus may not be fixed at all (because of the number, simply being missed).
This also means that at least some of the bug reports were wasted effort on my part. I did post few myself, they aren't fixed. Why I should I report anymore? I've went to to the point, where I written in the post, 'please, if any dev read this, put a reply in this thread' got no answer. There is an impressive amount of good will in this community, but it is going to be wasted if not cultured. And a prime way to culture it is to listen to the people that act as your quality assurance team. Ignore them and watch they ignore you.
Also I think you we should not cross any more lines, by calling anyones statements childish, impatient, downright stupid or implying the problem is with a person. Thank you.
Haven't crashed so far in beta 4 with over 100 hours of play. There are some persisting bugs (like the flying side arrow) but not many and none of them are critical (none I've got at least). And yes, there are many frustrations with this build like all others (such as the starting area) but these are going to be fixed now that all major features and rework (other than the AI) is done.
I do play FFH still sometimes. Can't get enough of that thing...
The Op must of been playing Diablo 3 and is now passing gas here...
man I swear the blizzard forums are full of whiners.
Joke aside... THis game is going where it's suppose to be going.
Nope solan i gave up on diablo 3 within 2 weeks.....oh my god that game hurt it was so bad. AND then they kill DECKARD!!!!!!!!
Sorry guys, this game has been my bread and butter go to game since WOM hit the shelves. I am very extremely over the top passionate about it. I want another Alpha Centauri...I want to be playing this game in 10 years....why? Because it has everything I want in i, it just needs to be polished up.
NUMBER 1 magic....sorry i just love fantasy games...FFH total war mod with the lord of the rings diablo 1 and 2 spellforce Warlords I II IIIIV D&D Disciples 1 2 3
warhammer ...all of these were good and FE takes all the seperate elements and puts them into one box,
RPG how happy are you to start a new game and see your favorite hero standing there waiting to be hired? Or finally getting that perfect piece of gear?
Combat- tactical...really, you bought spearmen ?...let me introduce you to my Umberdoths - fluffy and Beauregard- and MY DRAGON!!!! nothing beats that!!
Strategy...if i take this one more red mana you are toast...or well i guess i can take all your cities and use you for a doorstop.
Last night i took Magnar made him my BIatch and left him to garrison a city WHY? because i can!!!
If I had ten million bucks and 10 frogboys and 20 kaels I dont know of one more major piece that i would put into this game...it is pretty well stacked.
I just want to see all the little fiddly bits fixed. So i am over the top...I have even gotten frogboy on my butt before...but you know what? I dont want to do the same rant 6 months from now. I want to be a fanboy like all the new puppies here.
hound out
I know how frustrating it can be to encounter the same bug beta after beta, Monsters ignoring AI is foremost on my list but there are others (like the AI offering to pay tribute and me ending up paying it ). While I still see the game as going in the right direction like most of the posters here I also have several severe stability issues and savegame corruption with larger maps. And those issues need to be fixed. A savegame that is missing half the players e.g. is a rather useless save. (and I am not sure if uploading it helps.) But that said it is still beta and many bugs have been ironed out so I am willing to be patient.
Incorrect. The game has not a release date. A beta 6 is going to happen if there are still bugs to fix. If you are having bugs I sympathize with you. But from my perspective ever since WoM this has been a very reliable game. In Beta 4 save integrity is an issue. That is a new problem for me caused by new features. Other than that I have a very solid time playing. If your bugs are still there and they make the game unplayable, all you need to do is submit our crash reports and give them those zip files. It will take at least until the next update to see any results. It is not productive to go on the forums and get emotional about your technical issues. So why not lighten up until the next update?
Wow, Sunny Jim. You're simply not beta'ing the same game as the rest of us.
Hi Darkehound I had the same issue with not seeing my sov in the portraits from beta 3 onwards but I was able to fix it so what I did might work for you too. Basically the Geforce graphics card stopped being default for Elemental and it was using the basic graphics card instead, when I went through my graphics card controls I was able to manually activate the correct card again and now it works fine.
thanks dgb246 but i cant see that on my system- checked amd controls and system info...sean...did you forget we did this back in may? Same issues months later.
OP has right to say he is not satisifed, and please dont tell him to go play another game and be "constructive. We have seen what all the postivity has brought us with elemental. I usually love star docks games, having a blast with gal civ and Sins of solar empire, i am not biased agasint them far from it they still get my money. However when i played elemental the first time i thought it was a bad joke they were doing to me.
I expect it will not be the same with fallen enchantress, i see advertisements already and such, its not ready guys,wake up, this game is not good enough.
It improves certainly but theres still a lot of room for improvments. There's a serious lack of choices, its not a tech tree , its just a ladder , factions lack of personality, we neeed more than the few cosmetic races feats, look at master of magic, come on... Each factions has uniques units unique buildings, different growth rate and affinity to magic, fallen enchantress is dull ,predictable overbalanced, and bland compared to it.
Give fantastic outfit to customize our sovereigns , why starting with beggar equipment ?Crown , masks, scepters royal outfits, shiny golden armor with jewels for kingdom, bone armors for fallen etc.... Give us weird non humanoid races to play , unique armors for each faction. I dont know maybe you should ditch the original factions and makes something more sexy, cause i think right now no one is really attached to the orginal elemental lore.
No really, its not there yet, not close to be a legendary game.
I have a right to say whatever I want to the OP so please don't tell me or anyone else what to say, thanks. I can tell him to do or go anywhere I like. He doesn't have to listen but don't be a hypocrite. Also, most of the things you are saying are not going to happen, don't you get it> The factions are not going to change, they are set in stone. This is why Frogboy and some others complain and tell you to find another game. You continue to harp on things THAT ARE NOT GOING to change. The factions are not going to look more fantasy like, the way you want, get over it
His complaints and yours are largely ridiculous and should be mostly ignored. Most people do not agree with you. Most are complaining (myself included) about bugs and some balance issues. That is what is going to change and get better. They are not going to change core mechanics.
Not going to change core mechanics? Essence? Just had a map where i crossed half the screen and found 1 essence plot. ONE with a one pt essence
automatic cntr-n.
Not gonna change core mechanics? Latest patch has your sov being a armsman you cant hit or damage anyone even with fire anymore and a 3 turn delay on fire dart resistance is scaled up and damage is scaled down...I thought this was war of magic?
Not going to change core mechanics? then where are my quests? same map saw one goody hut.
If you are right blackrainz, then this will be another lord of magic se a failure on top of a failure.
We are so close to good, but we keep getting the changes that do not add to the game but subtract.
And yep as far as i am concerned you can say whatever you want, you dont have a right to , this is a private board and stardock does not have to follow any first amend principles. But you can whoop and holler just like i can.
Darkehound, this point you make is EXACTLY where I completely disagree with you: you are looking for the perfect spot, get frustrated and complain when you don't get it, and ctrl-n until you do...
Have you tried playing from a starting location with no essence? It may be a little more challenging, but you can definately win the game, and have a lot of fun doing it... Calling essence "limiting" because it ADDS another possible resource to use shows a deep misunderstanding of strategy games, and a maximalistic game-playing philosophy which si contrary to what most of the board wants.
Also, on a secondary points, glaring mistakes such as complaining that flame dart has a 3-turn delay (it actually has a 1-turn cooldown) make it difficult for anyone to take you seriously....
Our complaints being ridiculous and should be ignored ? Most people do not agree with us ? How can you tell ? The minimum should be to respect other opinions here. Maybe theres too many sycophants on this board , those guys are always happy with anything and just the fact some dev answer them is making their day. I am pretty sure they were happy with elemental already. I am not and many people arent, of course you cant read foreign boards but on french boards i am frequently reading , people are less than enthusiast about it .Not even have to go that far, read any games board people arent ecstatic with this.
Do not tell me again theres a silent majoirty that agree, the silent majority in this case shelved elemental and does not even give a look to this beta. I take time to comment because i still care about the game . Now release it like this(even debugged ) and expect poor sales and less than stellar reviews , if they only read this boards they are in for a bad surprise, they will never see it coming.
Bugs , yes that happen, and will be fixed into time , unbalances ? Id prefer i a little less balanced and more fun oriented, no the game is missing personality and choices , thats the core issue.
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