So the expansion for Civ 5 Gods and Kings is out today. Think its worth the 29.99 they're asking?
Ok. I feel stupid.
From Tom Chick's review:
Some new units make an appearance, and most notably the naval balance has been reworked. It’s hard for me to care about this when the computer is still incapable of playing the game as designed. Mongolia throws unit after unit into my defenses, so I couldn’t care less what the units are. France parks armies underneath ranged fire and waits for them to die, so what does it matter if I kill them with a new tank or a biplane bomber? Siam marches its generals up to my front lines. Carthage declares war on me and never sends a single unit against me. If you want to play a game about civilizations shuffling their armies around ineffectually, Civilization V remains the game for you, and now it has new units to shuffle around ineffectually.
It's basically nails it down. I liked the expansion first, but then I realized I am playing against a wall - there is no opposition to speak of. The AI does not know how to wage a war.
The unit placement system is too new and too complex for today's AI. Maybe in a few decades once the Frogboy Academy For AI has graduated some students we will see this interesting concept flourish. Until then, Civ VI should probably go back to stacks of doom.
I disagree with that statement, CivV unit placement system is the old hex-based system used by strategy games like Fantasy General, Panzer General and such, and those are almost 20 years old. Fantasy general was also more complex - archers provided long-range support for adjacent melee units under attack, there was special "skirmish" attack that was 1 hex only, but had preference over melee, and so on. Moreover, ranged units under ranged attack returned fire, which seems much more consistent and logical than the simplified CivV rip-off.
I played those games a little and they also have a crappy tactical AI.
Interesting to see they're charging now for adding religion back in an expansion to a game the developers boasted about (in interviews) before release as getting rid of religion. Because no one wanted it.
I suppose for the next expansion they'll add in a way to see all the modifiers affecting diplomatic decisions.
This. It's not yours, you didn't pay what the person/people asked who made it, and you have no right to it. There is no moral argument that can justify theft/piracy/whatever you want to call it. Saying "I'm pissed" amounts to a five-year-old's tantrum being an excuse for grabbing a toy and running down the aisle in a store.
Perhaps
Paradox has the better deal.
I must disagree with both of you. Now before you wrinkle your nose at me and refuse to read the rest of what I am about to say, let me explain myself.
I do agree that not paying for something is wrong. This applies to piracy, but its not so black and white that you can say pirates are the scum of the internet. Frankly, the entertainment industry has gotten extremely corrupt. Cutting out content that was developed as part of the main game and then reselling it to you as DLC is wrong (Mass Effect 3, Capcom, etc.). I'd even go so far as to call it a form of piracy. All that stuff is right there on the disk but you have to pay an additional $15 to access it? Why is that even legal? If an auto salesmen tried to tell me I wasn't allowed to use the car radio that was already installed in the car I just bought until I paid him a "service fee" of $50, I'd laugh in his face and turn it on anyway. I paid full price for whats ON the disk. Not to have the disk sold to me in chunks after the fact. No where on the box does it ever say that what you're buying is only an incomplete version. People say I have to abide by the license agreement when I buy software, but why am I never allowed to see that agreement until after I buy and open the box? Thats dishonest for the simple fact that publishers know you cannot return opened/downloaded software. I'd go so far as to say thats a rather tricky form of piracy. My wallet sure feels shanghied in any case. You're being presented a product but you're not told until after you buy it that you can't use all of it or can only use it a certain way. If you want the full and complete product you need to pay extra, otherwise you're left with an incomplete product. Its no wonder people turn to piracy. DLC after the fact is fine. As long as its not developed along side the main product. How can companies have a problem with piracy when they themselves resort to such low and greedy tactics to make a quick buck? I'm not saying piracy is justified, but you have to understand that not everyone pirates to get free games. I personally refuse to buy any game that uses these greedy tactics to pad their wallet, but do you want to know something? Its getting to the point where there are almost no game companies, and thus games, still in business any more that don't do this to their customers. What then?
So what happens if you have a problem that only piracy can fix? Oh I know what you're thinking. How on earth could downloading a game illegally at any point be justifiable. Well, until this particular problem happened to me, I would have agreed that there simply was none. I bought the retail version of Skyrim. Paid full price. I knew you could get Skyrim online from Steam, but I didn't want to use Steam, which is why I bought the Retail version. No where on the retail box did it say Skyrim required a 3rd party program to run (more corruption, not being upfront about your products). I can 100% without a doubt say that if the box did say it required Steam or had the Steam logo on it I would have put the box back down and put the game out of my mind. I would not have pirated the game. I always pay for games that I play. It was only when I tried to install Skyrim that I was presented with the truth that I needed Steam to play Skyrim. Because of this dishonesty I will never buy another Bethesda product again, but I had already opened the box, and I had no way to get my money back (GG more corrupt business tactics). So I decided to go ahead and try it anyway. How bad could Steam really be, eh? Who knows, maybe it will grow on me and I'll end up liking it? Actually, it wasn't so bad for the first 2 days.
Unfortunately a huge storm blew through my area that knocked out the power for several hours. That itself wasn't the problem. The storm had severely damaged the near by internet node leaving me without internet for an entire week. Guess what Steam wouldn't let me do? Thats right, I couldn't play Skyrim for an entire week because I didn't anticipate this freak accident happening. I didn't know anything about Steam or its little tricks and quirks since I had never used it before. Apparently since I didn't set Steam to go into offline mode before this storm happened, and Steam couldn't connect to the authentication servers, it refused to let me play Skyrim. I couldn't put Steam into offline mode until AFTER it had authenticated which I wouldn't be able to do for an entire week. I find it absolutely ridiculous that you need to be online in order to go offline with this program. Counter intuitive to say the least. So for an entire week I was unable to play a game I paid full price for. But I weathered it out and and after the repair crews got the local node back up and running I was happily playing Skyrim again. I put Steam into offline mode just in case something else catastrophic happened. Then patch 1.2 came out week later. Wait, whats this? Skyrim is updating? Hold on a second, I told you to go into offline mode there Mr. Steam. Why are you downloading stuff? Turns out offline mode doesn't mean offline and it really means online. WTF? My faith in Steam was pretty much destroyed at this point.
Skyrim 1.2 was the infamous patch that broke the game for many people. I was one of them, unfortunately. Dragons being invulnerable was really only a nuisance. At least until you needed to kill one in order to progress the game (main quest). There where many other problems with the 1.2 patch but I'm sure most people are familiar with them. Needless to say, 1.2 was busted beyond belief and made the game unplayable for lots of people, including myself. I wanted to revert back to patch 1.1, but Steam doesn't allow you to revert to previous versions. I tried contacting Steam support about a way to do so. They just referred me to Bethesda support. when I contacted Bethesda about the matter but they just told me to contact Steam support about rolling back to previous game versions and refused to answer any further emails about the subject. Great, so now I'm stuck in referral hell where each party keeps referring me back to the other, both refusing to help while telling me its the other guys fault. Finally Bethesda said that I would have to wait until patch 1.3. Great. So now I'm stuck not being able to play the game again. 2 weeks later patch 1.3 rolls out.
I'm so excited! I finally get to play the game I paid for! AWESOME! Oops, they completely screwed up AGAIN! Yes, they fixed the invulnerable dragons bug, but now the game randomly crashes every 5-10 minutes and immediately every time I try to fast travel. Does Bethesda even have a QA department? At this point I'd had enough. I had paid $60 for a game over a month ago and I've only been able to play it for a week and 2 days. I wasn't waiting around for an undetermined amount of time for Bethesda to roll out yet another patch to fix what they broke in the patch that was suppose to fix the previous patch only to have this patch break even MORE crap... or something like that. Confusion aside, I had finally had enough.
I hope this doesn't upset you. I know piracy strikes a nerve with you Brad, but I didn't see much else I could do in this situation. I certainly don't make a habit of doing things like this, but I did pay for the game. I downloaded a cracked copy of Skyrim 1.1. There was just no way that I could continue playing the game as it was in its current state. There was no way I could return the game I paid for to get my money back. The last two patches where so screwed up that it really boggles my mind just how pitiful Bethesda's QA team is. I didn't download 1.1 as a get back to Bethesda. I wasn't doing this to spite them. It wasn't a "screw you!" at either Steam or Bethesda. I just wanted to play the damn game I had paid for. So tell me Brad, because I really do want to know your opinion on this. Does this make me a scum of the internet or was I justified in my actions?
I haven't touched Skyrim since beating the main quest months ago. I am just so jaded by the whole ordeal that I refuse to have anything at all to do with that game or Bethesda ever again. Or Steam for that matter.
Game companies have really gone down hill in the last decade. Honestly, I really want to see another 1984 video game market crash. There are so many game companies that have no business making games now a days.
Yeah, sorry, I guess I kinda rambled there for a bit.
Yes, since unexpected loss of internet is ALWAYS a possibility, Steam should ALWAYS default to off-line mode when the internet doesn't work. And it should not download ANY updates until off-line mode is turned off, MANUALLY.
I would think this would be the case, but it doesn't work that way. Or at least it didn't for me. Steam absolutely refused to let me play the game I purchased until I was able to get an internet connection again.
I was saying that it should do that, not that it already does. I was agreeing with you.
At this point, is it worth buying, or should I wait for expansion #2?
I'm waiting for it to not be on Steam myself.
Unless you really like Civ V already, wait.
I found Gods and Kings to be a massive improvement over the original and it's far too easy to throw away over a hundred hours on the expansion. If the suggestions that Paradox does it better are referring to Warlock then... *shudders* That was a horrid game with few redeeming features. My only complaint about Civ5: GK is how there's still no bloody DLL.
Would you mind elaborating? I like what I saw of Warlock. At it's price, it isn't bad at all.
Bad humor, blandness of spells/abilities, lack of long-term appeal, only did warfare somewhat well but failed on the fun of empire management, and probably some other stuff I forgot. I only played the demo but the full game didn't look as though it added much more.
What it sorta did well (imo): Magic and how spells were cast, multi-tile cities.. and I can't really think of much else beyond that right now. But after what I played I was rather certain that I didn't want to pre-purchase the full game even at its low price. Instead I used the money to pre-purchase Fallen Enchantress which at least had some promise of longer appeal.
Fall patch is out and its huge. Also modders get access to more of the code (like making better ai) aka dll.
I would paste the code but its a huge list!
http://store.steampowered.com/news/?feed=steam_updates&appids=8930
Also if you want a better Civ 5 experience here are some mods that I find make Civ 5 a better experience. (note with this patch that just came out certain mods may be funky right now but those civ 5 modders are a rough bunch that crack out patches like mad men well at least I know Thal and his team is).
Civ 5 Mod -Communitas Expansion Pack
http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=429
http://civmodding.wordpress.com/
If you have civ 5 only (non G&K) Vanilla Enhanced (steam has it) http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=19494
Civ 5 and if you have G&K (steam has this one) Civ Up Unofficial Patch- http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=15667
This one will come to steam after beta is done GEM- http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=16617
Oh ya this change list will give you a better idea on what changes what- http://communitas.wikia.com/wiki/Communitas_Wiki
Enjoy.
Why poop on Warlock? Even if you only play through a few campaigns the game is $20.00. I played it for longer than I played Torchlight and I never felt ripped off by Torchlight. 20 + hours of entertainment for $20.00 is pretty good. Check out the price of your local prostitutes for a comparison.
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