You should read Cory Doctorow --> True Names, (short story with Benjamin Rosenbaum) in Fast Forward 2, edited by Lou Anders, ISBN 978-1-59102-692-1, 2008
The premise is three separated type 2 civilization, bordering type 3. Beebe is an unstable forked process of the universe caretaker Demihurg.
Both Demihurg and Beebe are able to talk with sentient but don't really play on the same time scale, any one trying to grasp either Beebe or Demihurg would be rendered crazy most probably.
Both are self replicating machines bent on destroying anything that is aggressive to the surrounding, (terraforming, etc) for different purpose. Beebe seeks to create a type 4 civilization, in this destroying everything and anything to convert it to a copies of it self where and Demihurg is satisfied with cultivating the universe for other races, etc, with only 10% of it being Demihurg. (rebel and loyalist)
Both reside in phase space where the most amount of computation without heat dissipation issue allowed. Beebe and Demihurg where pretty happy to wage war against each other until the young race stumbled into phase space and created Bortingras by error.
During a meeting of minds between Beebe and Demihurg to try and for the X time in so many billions years, the Vasarie copie what they tough was random data, what they capture would become Bortingras. A ultimate weapon, a ultimate self replicating machine with no possible variation and a single goal, destroy all matter because it was the current algorithm understudy by Beebe and Demihurg, their eventual demise. They would consume everything in there war and never win, eventually becoming Bortingras anyway but in billions of year.
Now both Beebe and Demihurg are nearly destroyed, only Bortingras is coming, and one of the prime directive of Bortingras is to stop every sentient being from accessing phase space and therefore making Bortingras invincible and able to finish the greater design of a type 5 civilization, total universe servitude.
What the actual fuck? (I really hope we don't get kicked for language, if it isn't allowed, please e-mail me so I can change it, but SERIOUSLY, Wut?) Also this sounds a lot like the conflict between the Silentium and the Abominor from Star Wars EU.
I agree, what the heck was that all about?
Its not that hard to figure out. He presents an idea for inspiration/suggestion from a book that he read which in turn is based on another book by Vernor Vinge. Perhaps an idea line for what is pursuing the Vasari?
4th race can only be supported by 64bit operating systems and multi core cpu's
Sounds possible to me. I wouldn't mind a machine race to be the ultimate enemy of the Vasari. It kind of makes sense.
So, Borg without the Trek essentially, to put in basic "everyone understands" terms?
My first and only thought was: what kind of horrible stuff do you read man? I know it isn't overly constructive, and yet it is very true to what I perceived.
This is what happens when you drop acid and screw the toaster -while in the shower -while it is plugged in.
This is actual solid evidence that I'm not the biggest troll
Id like the 5th Race to be an as yet undiscovered race that resindes within a cluser of Dyson Spheres (single player sins2 campaign enemy ofcoarse)
I'll have what he was having when he wrote that.
Dyson Sphere is the result of a type 2 civilization. Type 3 would use entire galaxy as one massive Dyson Sphere.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kardashev_scale
Van Newton Probe
Better read this:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/52294191/Stanislaw-Lem-The-Invincible
Why?
http://thinkexist.com/quotation/the_difference_between_fiction_and_reality/225193.html
I always see people type this and I have no idea what the fuck that means
The Invincible ain't bad, alto hold some theories of physics have evolved since then, space travel & all.
If you like that era, check Voyage of the Space Beagle, it's nice too.
Yeah FYI, all those concept are advance space theories base on our current understanding of space travel/time.
When you take in account that traveling to another star will take hundred if not thousands of years, during which all currently know material as a decay time, the van Newton Probes and other Self-replicating space craft with hyper supercomputer core to keep the data over the eons remain one of the most possible space faring race.
A by product of another civilization.
There are many forms of those theoretical Probes, the arch, the berserker, the friendly, etc. All could be sent by various civilization in various development stage. Our own voyager alto it will never reach anything intact is a dumped down Arch Probe as it contains data on our race that could in theory survive our race. (various Scifi shows have reused the "colony probe or arch probe" which could ultimately contain genetic material to build humans (from scratch) at the destination. )
Anyway it's full of those theories online if you care to read about "realistic" space travel with our current understanding of space/time/relativity.
SciFi is not science: it is literature. As such, it should be judged for its literary value. The story you narrated (somehow) above is a ripoff of gnostic myths, badly worded and badly hidden. The writer, as such, is a plagiarist, for certain, and probably a lazy person. This means, the literary value is kinda low.
The Invincible is not good, as such, for the "science" it conveys, but for the quality of the vehicle. Our current understanding, doesn't include Dyson Spheres, Van Newton Probes, and the like. It includes the consideration of their possibility and prototypes of analogues usable here on earth, in the case of some nanotechnology.
Well scifi is based on theories and most theories are unproven where the word theory comes form, (even the theory of relativity) so your point is moot. A good writer should make is research on the latest understood principles and theories, because in applied and proven there ain't much to play with.
Yes but those nanites are the resultant of a nano phage weapon, now if you looked into the van Newton theory, it describe the vehicle as a possible nano machines, etc.
By the way Invicible is not the original Nanophage stories, self replicating machines and their psychosocial and mathematical existence have been discussed for a long while.
Anyway the writer if you should know made a dedicated work to some very acclaimed books by re spinning the stories indeed. If you find this bad, then please write me something new and original and I will show you 100 books similar.
Edit: Oh and if you want the story read the book before judging, I ain't telling you the story of the book just reusing an idea I found funny like care bears or space ponies or Rick Merser .
oh and it's a van Newman probe. sorry.
You in truth mean Von Neumann's. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Neumann_universal_constructor
ya I write way to fast and do too many things at once. Ty for the typo correction.
Anyway though it was a bit more out of the box then a "normal" alien race.
Hm, a synthetic race as 4th faction could work, this is one of the few remaining archetypes that wouldn't interfere with the other 3 too much.But seriously, Demihurg sounds quite cheap and... Beebe??! Nah.And their motivations appear to be quite underdone too.For example, i really like the Vasari background, because they aren't your typical "evil aliens want to conquer all your worlds from across the galaxy because... they fooking' can."No, they're on the run, their whole civilization's survival is at stake, therefore they do the horrible things they do.Can't see any of that in those two robot gods tbh.
Stop all the silliness, just make the uber enemy Omnius and Erasmus from the new DUNE books.
Omnius, also known as the Evermind, was a collection of powerful artificially intelligent entities, which existed prior to and during the Butlerian Jihad, and after in the refounded Synchronized Worlds outside the Old Empire.
Erasmus was an independent and somewhat eccentric thinking machine that served under Omnius prior to and during the Butlerian Jihad. Erasmus took his name, and titular gender, from the ancient Earth scholar Desiderius Erasmus.
btw, in a deathmatch, Omnius and Erasmus would kick Demihurg and Beebe's cpu's to the curb.
Can we please have a Beta Section in this Board?
I'm not active enough here but i would say it is a running Gag or something like this because Sins doesn't support Multiple Cores and is just written in 32Bit so the Ram is also limited. Sins tends to slow down a lot on larger Maps and with some AI Enemys. I think a Sins 2 with 64Bit and Multicore Support would be a good Benchmark with 5000+ Fleets.
Sword of the Stars already did Von Neuman machines iirc.
Oh ya sword of star, forgot that one after looking there is also an RTS where you play humans trying to hide from some super Ai too.
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