I can probably say I was the first to figure it out. My friend of mine told me that when Microsoft Gaming Studioes released a quote with Cortana saying something about the Prometheus Project, I found the trailer for the movie left clues. There was nothing specific in Cortana's quote, therefore giving famous well-known director, Ridley Scott, who directed the Transformers Trilogy, and Battleship, with well-known actor, Liam Neeson, the imaginative freedom to direct and create his ideas into what has now become the movie called "Prometheus".
In the beginning of the trailer, when they show one of the ancient civilization's king looking at his hand, and his veigns get dark and start to move, that was one clue that me and my friend figured out. Another clue is the color of the pods in the crescent-shaped ship, along with the ceiling's color and movement. The other clue is the man holding the small bit of flesh on the tip of his forefinger, when he says "Big things have small beginnings" near the end of the Prometheus trailer. The last clue is when almost at the end of the trailer, the trooper yells "GET IT OUT!!!".
All of this led to my most certain and probable conclusion of what this may and MIGHT be the beginning of: The Halo movie series. Why? The color of the pods, the king's veigns, the small bit of flesh, and the trooper yelling "get it out". The pods were Flood pods. You can easily see the resemblance between Halo 3's Flood pods, and the pods in the movie trailer. In one of the terminals in the Halo: Anniversary game, The veigns of the Elite start to move and change color; same deal with the king. In another terminal, the small bit of flesh is 30x smaller than 343 Guilty Spark in the game as well. That small bit of flesh happens to be a Flood Spore. AND finally, the quote: "get it out". In the first Halo game, the VERY first thing you hear from an infected marine, while still alive, is "GET IT OOUUT!!!". IN the current trailer, that is the one thing you would hear from a real infected marine (though might be true).
We are probably now entering a new era of movie technology for Sci-Fi movies EVER made, thanks to Ridley Scott. IF what my conclusion says is true, and it is CLOSE to what Ridley Scott has planned for us, Halo Fans, we are most likely to have a world-wide sensation of the very first movie in the Halo series, Prometheus. The one thing that will determine the Halo movie's greatness, is Ridley Scott's excellent choosing of actors, actresses, and for the MAIN characters: Cpt. Jacob Keyes, Seargant-Major Johnson, and, of course, Cortana, the well-known ship-board AI for the Pillar of Autumn. Currently, I do not know whether or not this IS accurate. BUT, Microsoft Gaming Studios, having fired Peter Jackson for his poor choice of actors and deliberately refusing to accept Microsoft Gaming Studio's veto for his choice of actors, they gave Ridley Scott his first chance for bringing his well-known excellence in technology for the nation-wide sensation, the Transformers Trilogy, and Battleship. Some of you may agree, some of you may not. AS THE TITLE SAYS, THIS IS ONLY A DAMN THEORY. I DID NOT SAY THIS IS ACCURATE. iM POSTING SIMILARITIES THAT MAY EXIST OR NOT!!! DO NOT RAMPAGE ABOUT ME SAYING "IT'S NOT TRUE, IT'S NOT TRUE, IT'S NOT TRUE!!!".
Nice, while the rest of the world is enjoying the movie in cinemas, we have to wait another 2 MONTHS here in Germany...
Carl....
Move....
Be careful out there--a lot of the reviews--like Ebert's--are packed full of spoilers--with no warning.
I have decided to avoid reading about it and not to expect anything--I am just going to iMax on release here to experince it.
Ridley always seems to struggle with story but he is brilliant at providing the experience. I think it's a given this movie has to have a sequel to be finished--I can accept that.
Condolences to Deutschland--I get to see it this weekend
Ok. I saw it.
First really great SciFi film I have seen in years. I want to talk about it but I am NOT putting spoilers (or near-spoilers) in here.
For those who haven't liked it much...I think I understand. My take on that: this isn't a movie for non-SciFi fans or people who just wanted to see a whole lot more aliens...it actually is science fiction.
You can critique the premise some--particularly how it gets linearly treated--but I just think that is the time constraint of modern film. It is pretty clear that the hope is that a sequel can follow but as a stand-alone SciFi film, that isn't needed to complete the experince given.
For the actors--in some ways they are understated and even a little underplayed but that's because the plot is taking precedence over the characters--which is a rare story telling form in film nowadays. That said, the pertinent characters--particularly, "David" are intriguingly presented.
A good part of the script follows the pattern of previous movies (but not their substance)--I see that not as a weakness but as a nod and needed inclusion for this new story and that's an inclusion Alien fans demanded.
What I loved about this is that while "Alien" is prominent, Prometheus is really a story that is intimately connected but a completely separate story from Alien.
As to "gaping plot holes"...I think that is more attributed to ignorance on the part of the reviewers--especially ones who have had little exposure to science fiction literature. This isn't just a "movie" and it isn't "Alien IV", "V" or "VI" either.
The plot (to me) was quite coherent and engaging. There isn't a scene in the film I could point at and say, "that has no relevance whatsoever". There are nominal sub-stories in it for some of the lesser characters but the real story works very well.
For those saying, "Bollocks!", I suggest first you consider the name of the film, really think about the film's opening scene (which I think is crucial to the plot in a huge way but not explained for you at all) when you reach it's end and acquaint yourself with the film, "Lawrence of Arabia"--in particular, at least know what the film (and the real life story) of it are all about and pay real attention to the dialogue relating to it.
I could get a lot more into specifics but that would be spoilers, so I won't.
If you are "young" in your exposure to classic science fiction, if you like simple stories with the answers stamped simply and evidently in their plots for you or if you came to see hundreds of chest burstings and cocoonings--you might be disappointed. If you really love SciFi, you'll admire a lot of this film. The sequel (assuming we get one) will really reveal if the story is as strong as it can be or if the telling of it is flawed. So far, I think it will be extremely satisfying to see the sequel (barring network executive interference and stupidity) as it will actually be the continuation of an original story and not another, "tack on adventure".
Last point most natural and effective use of 3D I have seen in ANY film...EVER. I appreciated Avatar's visuals but with the exception of a second or two of foreground gravel near the screen's bottom edge in a hurricane looking a little 2D iot was almost perfect.
Totally thumbs up, wipe your mind, forget your expectations, prepare to think and ponder and just experince it. It isn't the edgy and suspenseful "Alien" but it is wonderful as science fiction (excepting stupid things characters must do to make a plot move).
P.S. I saw it on iMax which would be my recommendation if you can manage it.
Didn't even bother with the modern bull-shit that is 3D.
Much of its story was restricted simply because it was/is a legitimate prequil....and it only needed one hole mended to fit exactly within the Alien-prequil scenario.
The prospect of a parallel/divergent plotline via sequel is appealing....as there's so much more to be explored...
Yep--we could easily get into, "this was weak", "that was weak" but when you look at the almost undifferentiated slew of crap we're given in almost all film categories and especially with science fiction, I was happy to see a new story presented--even allowing for the studio necessitated caveats I knew would be there in a hyped presequel.
The "suspense" in this film is intellectual--not visceral and it has some real potential.
The good part about the 3D in this film is that you could remain completely unfocused on it and when it did get your attention it was because it was subtly interesting.
Fantastic movie. Incredible. Probably too good to be fully appreciated. True science fiction is so rare in movies, just fantastic.
Liked the movie, but there were a few things about it that bugged me. They seemed like bizarre inconsistencies. Then I read this, and it all made a lot more sense and I like the movie even more now. (Obvious warning: lots of spoilers in that link.) In a nutshell, Ridley Scott has given various interviews about the underlying mythology and backstory of the movie, and the person who wrote that link has combined them all and connected the dots.
With that in mind, I guess the biggest flaw in the movie is that it's nearly impossible to connect the dots without reading that background material. The movie you're left with seems to have strange inconsistencies. But knowing the mythology underpinning the movie, it's now going to be a movie I'll appreciate for quite some time. I also want to see it again now that I know that mythology.
I really "got" the movie without reading anything (I made it a point not to)and thought the ending was literally perfect. But I have been reading scifi rabidly since I was six years old.
It was one of those few movies when it ended that I almost went back in to watch again just so I could "stay in it".
FYI--Blade Runner was broadly panned by most critics when it came out--ironic, isn't it? Not to mention, Ridley didn't have any "unobtanium" in his script.
I completely agree. Look at the SciFI movies we have had over the last ferw decades--literally only a handful stand out as real art and great stories--2001, Alien and Blade Runner being prime examples (and ironically two of those are by Ridley Scott).
I appreciated Avatar for what it brought to the genre but I have never been compelled to see it again on dvd. I'll buy Prometheus the day it comes out.
Firefly, District 9 and just a handful of other shows and films are the only things close to imaginative and substantive science fiction we've been able to watch on any screen (I loved Terminator: The Sarah Conner Chronicles too).
Prometheus though is the first "epic" SciFi story that I can recall other than Blade Runner and 2001 that just "gets" science fiction and pulled it off on such a grand scale.
I literally hated leaving the theater when it ended. Darn boring real life.
Drugs are bad?!
I love the whole Alien/Prometheus "feel" of the universe. I love the feeling of remoteness and isolation in them. Space is big. Really big. And mostly empty. And the parts that aren't empty are incredibly alien and inhospitable. These people are months from the nearest human settlement, and they only have what they brought with them. There's nowhere they can run to get help, they're completely on their own. The other life out there in the universe thinks and acts in ways that are as alien to us as we are to them. Don't expect to sit down and have a conversation with them. Their idea of morality may be completely different from ours.
Or, in the case of the xenomorph in Alien, "unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality." Those are human traits, don't expect to find them in other species. Or even if you do, don't expect them to coincide with our versions.
As for Avatar, that was the Smurf version of science fiction. I hated it.
The movie was OK. Visually it was awesome. The story was terrible. It just didn't make sense it was shallow and lacked realism. Seriously you fly to the other side of the galaxy with a bunch of scientists but the whole scientific methods gets left behind on earth as they run into unknown pyramid and start messing with things without documenting anything or testing anything. They spent trillions of dollars getting people out there and they decide to go with a psycho Scotsman who is good at releasing mapping droids and a hopeless biologist who has zero confidence. Hopefully the director's cut will be better. The last 1/3 rd of the movie was a series of what? huh? Why? oh come on!
Hyper advanced race of humans (with passion for the colour grey) and he doesn't attempt to communicate other than grunting like a cave man - I mean please!!!
Anyway just saying
This is where reading the backstory and mythology comes in. However, I can't address the points here, because they obviously would be major spoilers. Given the backstory, and the circumstances, the reaction was 100% logical.
I read the article mentioned abovehttp://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html#cutid1
Shame that this line of thought was not put into the movie in a more overt manner, it would have improved ti. As it is the movie is a jumble. It is a shame I was hoping it would become a classic like Alien and Aliens.
Yeah, my biggest criticism of the movie is that none of this is apparent. What's left is a confusing movie, with parts that don't seem to make sense or fit together. However, knowing the backstory, I can now go back and enjoy the movie a lot.
Well here is hoping directors cut with an extra xx minutes of film will clear that up
As for 'confusing movie'.... I saw 2001 when it first was released....and we all spent days afterwards trying to decypher it....the underlying meaning...subtext et al.
That's what makes a GOOD S/F movie.
Of course.....Star Wars is childish JUNK designed for no other reason than to promote Lucas' toy franchise and provide a medium for product placement.
Like Sinperium, I'll be buying it on DVD too...but will wait for the 2-disk ver....that has the extras/making of....so it won't necessarily be 'first thing'....
For me '2001' still has a high rank in the top 5 of the most boring Sci-Fi Movies ever made. I know, I am quite alone in that field. And doesn't have to do with 'intellectual disabilities' either.
I read the philosophical analysis of Prometheus in the link up above and thought it was wonderfully done but before everybody assumes "That's it!" consider there are elements in the story they might have missed.
It's almost impossible to talk about this film without giving spoilers but I'll say this--the relationship between Weyland and his "family" has a direct parallel to the Engineer's relationship to us.
I think a director's extended cut of this film would be spectacular and usually I don't find they bring much. But along that line, Ridley had scenes that had more reveals and in the end they decided they took away from the story by removing some of the mystery and suspense.
The sequel is where they get a chance to put everything together so no one should get left behind and it's a lot more fun to be challenged to understand the film than to simply have the answers handed to you...imho, of course.
C242...I actually almost fell asleep in it and I was fairly young. It's slow moving--especially to what we are raised on nowadays. It really was one of the first high budget hard science fiction films in history. Special effects today eclipse what it accomplished but it is a very atmospheric film much like Prometheus.
God help us if all our movies get made for the, "I WANT IT NAO!" generation.
No....
Modern tools simply make it easier NOW.... mostly to the detriment of providing a decent plot or story.
WOW....let's make the next [insert name here] in 3-fucking-Dee....
Now THAT's as boring as bat shit.
Some of the BEST movies ....including 'S/F' have little or NO 'special effects' at all.
A much-copied game-changer in the world of post-apocalypse [Mad Max] ..... no 'special effects' .....[other than to pretend most of the VINYL bikie jackets were leather] .... the stunts aka crashes were REAL .... and the budget was a paltry 300k.....ok, so it was SOCIAL S/F rather than Flash Gordon .... but like ACO ....still 'science' fiction ...
"Moon" with Sam Rockwell was another, fairly recent Sci-Fi movie I really loved.
Also, the 3-D shit is getting crazy. The Great Gatsby is going to be in 3-D...are you fucking kidding me? I understand sci-fi, action, horror...but the Great Gatsby? Shit has jumped the shark.
Look out....next it'll be the Fonz jumping a 3D shark.....
....we're doomed....doomed, I tell you....
Some random responses:
Yeah, it may miss a few things, or even be completely off-base. But for me it put a lot of the movie into a context that made it that much more enjoyable to me.
There's one scene where a biker flies through the air, clips his feet on a crashed car, and ends up somersaulting the rest of the way, end-over-end. After I read that that scene was an accident, and he was supposed to fly over the car, but instead ended up breaking his leg in that scene... well, now I cringe every time I see it. Amazing that they kept a scene that shows a stuntman breaking his leg for real (though you can't see that it's broken) in the final cut of the movie.
Even for Prometheus, I made a point of seeking out a non-3D showing. I'm not interested in paying more money just for a gimmick. [/grumpy-old-man-mode]
For me (and I'm guessing many others) it was David that fascinated me. Even putting aside the fantastic performance by Fassbender, his motivations for some of his actions completely baffled and fascinated me until I sat down and thought about it afterwards. Now that I think I've got him figured out, I really want to go see it again.
It also broke the record for the fastest filmed motorcycle 'stunt' crash. I may see plenty of them faster when working the SBK and MotoGP .... but they're actually better protected. The fastest 'off' has probably been about 200mph at Phillip Island....but in Mad Max it was somewhere around 120..... where the typical 'trick' is to do it at 20 .... and wind up the film speed....
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