OK, the dev's said there will be a clues in Rebellion as to what is chasing the Vasari and apparently it's not Sam Neil returning in a ship that vanished into a black hole for fifty years.
They also suggested that they thought it was possible some might get it rather quickly.
To this end, I posit my guess.
I kept noticing in the varying screen shots the new Vasari ships. We know the Vasari are quite happy to have institutionalized slavery and to force it on advanced but less powerful empires.
There's one theme in all the ships I saw..."Bugs Mr. Rico...zillions of 'em!".
I suggest the Vasari "assimilated" a space-faring insect species and experimented on them to gain their weapons and travel capabilities.
Ever poke a stick into a wasp hive? I did once. There was a wee hole in the ground about three inches deep with a single yellow jacket in the bottom of it. I killed it with a stick and then discovered that it was the entrance to a hive.
Ever see the cartoons where the moving swarm comes out after the cartoon character? That's what happened. A massive "nanite" cloud of angry wasps came out and chased my brother and I to the back door of my grandmother's house. She wouldn't open it because they were bouncing off the screen like machine gun bullets. We ran to the front door on the other side of the house and when she got there, she couldn't open it either as they had followed us around.
Finally my aunt let us in and threw wet blankets over us and brushed us off with brooms. I had been stung 32 times and had wasps in my nostrils, the corner of my eyes, between all of my fingers and dozens embedded by stingers in my belt, shoes and jeans. The city sent an extermination crew out the next day and after gassing the hive dug it open. It was 4 feet deep, 15 feet wide and 32 feet long.
I believe the Vasari poked a stick into a hive and now the swarm is after them.
If I am vetted officially at some point as being correct, I prefer to be thereafter referred to by name with the honorific, "Most Mighty and Wise" prefacing it.
Thank you.
AI's it is
Being that:
1) they have the greatest knowledge of phase tech
2) TAV coalition from the future are the descendants of Vasari (and TEC and Advent too)
3) TAV coalition uses a much more advanced form of phase tech to go back in time to wage war on their ancestors
4) TAV coalition is alien because it is from another time, not another place
"...an ancient alien civilization running from a terror of their own creation..." fits the bill perfectly, and better yet, in a plot-twisted, unexpected way.
Yay...you know how to take one sentence completely out of context and refute it with nonsense. I'm happy for you.
But, I think instead I'll assume you just didn't read the rest...in which case you shouldn't have commented on it at all.
Regardless, I went on to explain that there are nearly endless possible ideas, but almost none of them are any good. Trillions of ways to make a light bulb, only a few dozen that actually work. "Cannibalistic Cake Race" doesn't work...just like "giant homicidal mutant tomatoes" didn't work.
I personally think they ain't running from someone or some race, I think something massive is going to blow up and wipe out everything in this galaxy. So they are packing up getting as much resources as they can as fast as they can and researching their asses off to get a massive gate up and running so they can jump to another close by galaxy. I think once they get to this galaxy they will find new enemies and friends and this is where the sins story will progress. Of course I Am sure the TEC and Advent will get the intel this happening and once the gate is used they will follow somehow before its to late.
In fact maybe they opened up a phase rift on a black hole and thus created an infinite energy loop which is feeding the black hole and growing it super fast and it is getting bigger and bigger.
Lets all be rational here. The vasaris had done a science experiment and it did not end well.
The clue would fall under what type of experiment were the vasari conducting.
Some say its the vasari women that are chasing them off, some also say its the flying gerbels or the space ponies. since none of these came close i thought of an answer that may be chasing them.
The second clue is that their world falls silent.
The third clue comes from a returning armada that barely survived and had gone mad with fear. Maybe due to too much nagging from the vasari women who are enslaving the vasari male from all sorts of experiments.
If we put all these together, there could be one technology that is capable of doing this sort of force that would chase the vasari as far away from their home world as possible.
One or more answers could be found by using these events.
1st answer to mho would be a virus. Not only a virus that contaminate ships but also contaminate biologic living cells. Similar to cataclysm from home world but this time it also contaminate matters and cellular structures.
My 2nd answer would be culture virus. A culture that spreads ftl in a form of brain altering beam of light. This will explain why beacons that are being lost would fall silent due to culture spread and ships would be destroyed from this culture with a virus that can control ships and mind control crews. similar to advents psychic powers.
If i'm wrong then I must be close to one of these answers or at least the theory of whats chasing the vasari.
get serious guys *its the ancient civilization that left the artifacts behind*
What you were getting at is that people are good at finding patterns. Even if they aren't there, people see them. This is done to such an extent that new ideas are always seen as a rehash of the old. When in reality, even a slight change should be viewed as 'new'. It's selective ignorance of the new ideas and a promotion of the old ideas. Nonetheless, when something truely new does come around, someone somewhere digs something up and states it is just a rehash of this old thing. Think of the way you get taught new things. The way people understand things best is when you phrase it in terms of things they already understand. "Calculus is nothing but slopes and areas". This is why you learn one concept and then move on to another. You can't just jump into particle physics with 6 year olds; if you try to, you end up making some strange analogies (which, incidently, is why i hate Micho Kaku. He always talks to the public like they are 6 year olds).
For example, when I mentioned cake that eats you, Sinperium brought up Alice in Wonderland... which I have never even read, and so know nothing about cake creatures. After I wrote it, I did think of Spaceballs and Pizza the Hutt, and while I was typing it up, I thought of Portal. Truely, when I thought of it, it was a new idea.
So, what I was going for was that it is easy to come up with new things. As you add more details, more people will associate it with not being new, but being a rehash of something already done. If they dont, it's probably because it was done bad and no one wants to think any deeper on the subject. People even add their own tidbits to the mythology and that steers it more towards pre-existing ideas. For example, you mentioned "canabalistic cake". I never said the cake eat each other... that is your invention. But now we know of a race of cake that eat each other and people, logically ride around in oven-ships, and are hell-bent on revenge for all the ritualistic slaughtering and consumption of their brethern on a yearly basis... starting to sound like the advent
A quote from the Sins box that I already posted on the previous page
"...an ancient alien civilization running from a terror of their own creation..."
lots of things can technically fall into that description but not be apparently true. Since we are working with little data, alot cannot be ruled out.
Not to say I support axxo2's suggestion, but the ancient civilization could have been put into a hibernation of some kind and then the Vasari woke them up. Since they set them loose, it's their own fault. Therefore, they created this menace; even if they didn't actually genesis it.
Before you nitpick on the hibernation idea, there's other ways you can relate the ancient civilization and the current Vasari threat. I'm not saying he's right, and I'm not saying your evidence is invalid. However, it doesn't exclude his theory either.
I'm still assuming the fourth race will be some kind of advanced machine race controlled by a highly advanced artificial intelligence which was created by the Vasari. A bit of a matrix kind of scenario, yet I think it is highly plausible given the current information we posess.
Vasari+TEC+Advent from the future is sooo much more fun and drama. It also fits the current scarce tidbits of information.
The trackless whisper
chattering through the hollow space
in these cursed walls
buzzes and threatens madness
The abomination cracked the shells of my crew
and sucked the husks
tossing them unseen and shattering the spindle
like a dried creche
The shields are gone
not down, but gone
It's coming back
I'm sure
and my last mercy
is immolation
[quote who="CilverBUG™" reply="180" id="3157737"]Lets all be rational here. The vasaris had done a science experiment and it did not end well.The clue would fall under what type of experiment were the vasari conducting.Some say its the vasari women that are chasing them off, some also say its the flying gerbels or the space ponies. since none of these came close i thought of an answer that may be chasing them.The second clue is that their world falls silent.The third clue comes from a returning armada that barely survived and had gone mad with fear. Maybe due to too much nagging from the vasari women who are enslaving the vasari male from all sorts of experiments. If we put all these together, there could be one technology that is capable of doing this sort of force that would chase the vasari as far away from their home world as possible.One or more answers could be found by using these events.1st answer to mho would be a virus. Not only a virus that contaminate ships but also contaminate biologic living cells. Similar to cataclysm from home world but this time it also contaminate matters and cellular structures.My 2nd answer would be culture virus. A culture that spreads ftl in a form of brain altering beam of light. This will explain why beacons that are being lost would fall silent due to culture spread and ships would be destroyed from this culture with a virus that can control ships and mind control crews. similar to advents psychic powers.If i'm wrong then I must be close to one of these answers or at least the theory of whats chasing the vasari.[/quote]
That reminded me of the Flood from halo... now I'm scared... D:
The vasari are obviously being persued by two variants of scary enemies.
One is obviously the Minidumpus nanite cloud,
The other is the Desyncus death machine.
At least it's not the Silicoids or Sakkra.
/hotlinked.
lol
What's chasing the Visari,
the same thing that ate Gilbert Grape.
-Æ
It's one of those...but I am not telling which.
Silicoids! That reminds me of Celatoids...and that reminds me... oh dear, Ragnarov save me! The X-COM aliens are back! No no no no! No mind control, no zombies, not CHRYSSALIDS!..... No, no. It's only the Ur-Quan's Sa-Matra. That's gotta be it! Shhhhhhh, shhhhh. The chryssalids are not back, it's only the Ur-Quan. It's just the Ur-Quan....
It could be that since that X rebirth isn't going to have the Ka'ak, that the ka'ak decided to jump to another dimension via a vasari phase wormhole, and invaded the sins universe.
I've got no idea what the big threat is, but something caught my attention in the new lore that makes me wonder what it is.
The in-game race description for the Advent Rebels hints at a corrupt influence in the Unity. The Loyalists believe it is nonexistent, and ignore the possibility. The Loyalists are also extremely aggressive, seeking to assimilate anyone and everyone. The TEC seems to be their main target, but they're also rather violent towards the Vasari as well. The Rebels, however, have supposedly killed off whatever's corrupting the unity (at least in their section of it), and are more defensive, with more of a focus on protecting their forces and planets than burning everything in their path.
The way I see it, whatever's after the Vasari has probably figured out they can just outrun it. It would need something to slow the Vasari down long enough to catch up... like a war on two fronts.
The Vasari, according to the lore, had enough resources to crush the TEC. They had killed several other races by then, and would probably have just brought their Starbases and Titans in to finish the TEC off (the Vasari apparently just keep these things floating around somewhere) had the Advent not arrived. Once they showed up, all three races got mired down in a huge stalemate. A war on two fronts is exactly what would be needed to slow down the Vasari.
Then there's the Advent's sudden surge in technology. From the time they were kicked out by the TEC, they had a massive surge in technological development. Even considering their obsession with revenge, it seems unlikely that they could develop so far ahead of the TEC without outside help.
Is it possible that whatever is chasing the Vasari could have influenced the Unity? It would explain the Advent's extreme aggression and why the Rebels have an entirely different brand of Unity. The Unity's invasion has ground the Vasari's exodus to a halt. It seems just a little too perfect to be a coincidence.
Thoughts?
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