OK, the dev's said there will be a clues in Rebellion as to what is chasing the Vasari and apparently it's not Sam Neil returning in a ship that vanished into a black hole for fifty years.
They also suggested that they thought it was possible some might get it rather quickly.
To this end, I posit my guess.
I kept noticing in the varying screen shots the new Vasari ships. We know the Vasari are quite happy to have institutionalized slavery and to force it on advanced but less powerful empires.
There's one theme in all the ships I saw..."Bugs Mr. Rico...zillions of 'em!".
I suggest the Vasari "assimilated" a space-faring insect species and experimented on them to gain their weapons and travel capabilities.
Ever poke a stick into a wasp hive? I did once. There was a wee hole in the ground about three inches deep with a single yellow jacket in the bottom of it. I killed it with a stick and then discovered that it was the entrance to a hive.
Ever see the cartoons where the moving swarm comes out after the cartoon character? That's what happened. A massive "nanite" cloud of angry wasps came out and chased my brother and I to the back door of my grandmother's house. She wouldn't open it because they were bouncing off the screen like machine gun bullets. We ran to the front door on the other side of the house and when she got there, she couldn't open it either as they had followed us around.
Finally my aunt let us in and threw wet blankets over us and brushed us off with brooms. I had been stung 32 times and had wasps in my nostrils, the corner of my eyes, between all of my fingers and dozens embedded by stingers in my belt, shoes and jeans. The city sent an extermination crew out the next day and after gassing the hive dug it open. It was 4 feet deep, 15 feet wide and 32 feet long.
I believe the Vasari poked a stick into a hive and now the swarm is after them.
If I am vetted officially at some point as being correct, I prefer to be thereafter referred to by name with the honorific, "Most Mighty and Wise" prefacing it.
Thank you.
It is not spose to be gameplay friendly. The One is a near all-powerful physic being. Once he gets to TEC space, he will just mind control everyone and win instantly. However, if the devs did want to incorporate his faction into SINS 2, They could have him not personally be there. Remember, he has mind controlled all Vasari ships sent against him. The One could just send those, and have them build stuff. Also, remember that he freed all of the Vasari slaves, and that they have a peaceful civilization back in the Old Vasari Empire. Except for the part where they all thirst for the blood of their former masters (they can live for a very long time due to The One's influence). The One can't assimilate new people from far away (more than a few systems away), but he can control ones he already controls from far far away. He could just send his mind-controlled Vasari and free citizens to attack. Keep in mind that all of the former slaves are completely free; they are connected with him, so they live a long time, though. I can explain everything. I have most of it worked out.
If the sin of Vasari is arrogance and slothfulness, the one of TEC is avarice/greed, and the one of Advent wrath, this leaves one slot for gluttony and lust. What chases the Vasari? It will be something which eats and merges and consumes, like the Beast or the Borg.
Something irrational and chaotic, as well: this is why it doesn't focus on the Vasari, primarily assimilating and consuming all it encounters.
Arrogance? Do you mean pride? Also, there is no way that the Vasari are sloth - if they were lazy, would they have an empire than spans the galaxy?
Just going to point out that the TEC didn't really suffer from their "greed", aside from being initially unprepared for the Vasari, even then, their "greed" gave them the power to grind a giant war machine into gear, and thus they get the best economy in the game.
What really screwed them over was kicking the Advent out centuries earlier, which would ironically mean that their "sin" would be Wrath.
I do think people take the word "sins" too literally on this, I've always seen it more as just being "actions having consequences."
The sins are something that they did. The Advent put implants in their children and experimented with their minds to see what they could do. They did not kill them or anything, but This is why the TEC exiled them in the first place. Remember the lore? The Vasari were doing something in that lab. That is a sin if they they were experimenting with people( this fits in with my earlier Theory). The TEC may not have done anything at all (not counting any greediness) and the lore does not mention anything about one of their sins. Also, keep in mind that they tried to stop anything that went against their ethics (Which I assume are similer to our own), and did not like for people to sin.
A sin is not just one of the 7 deadly sins. It is a sin to kill a person. But it (killing) is not one of the seven deadly sins.
Finally, what if, (and i am just thinking of all the posibilites), Sins of a Solar Empire is just a cool name for a great game? I don't like this option, but there it is.
YES! You were typing this one before I got mine out. Their sins are their actions, not some representaon of the seven deadly sins.
They refused to consider the possible consequences of their actions. That is sloth and arrogance ("superbia" is not just pride).
You kill (and generally fail to respect mitzvot/commandments) because of the seven deadly sins. They are the motive behind the action.
Never thought about the title so seriously before, but when I saw the case and whilst playing, I thought that it would lead on to a fourth race, before TEC, Advent and Vasari.
In the sense that, Sins of a Solar Empire, with an un-named 'Solar Empire' being the creators/masters/gods/experimenters of all 3 and the Sin being having actually spawned these three races that kill, destroy and maim each other for superiority.
In essence, the Sins are the three races, maybe not directly embodying 'sins' as we know them but possibly so. TEC are greedy capitalists and so forth with the Advent, splintered through other sins, are prideful, vain and pious beyond morality. The Vasari, well, have a guess.
That being said, the 'Solar Empire' may be the original race before these three. Maybe created through actions of a 'Solar Empire' we have not yet met and are paying the price of unleashing their children upon a galaxy, and so left them to their own devices.
I would have created a more articulate back-story but you get the picture. Someone created all three (left a genetic pre-disposition for psionic abilities within the TEC perhaps, re-awakened, maybe a by-product of a bad experiment to create 'humans'?). Then, realizing that they may be destroyed by them, but as mothers and fathers unable to harm them, left their Solar Empire behind to go to a different galaxy, with new stars and new worlds. And leaving some fantastic artifacts behind for us to nab.
Take your pick, a sin creating them or the sins of their children or something in between.
Ok then. Which of the seven sins covers experimenting? Cus thats what the Vasari were doing. It was obviously a bad thing to do, if they were experimenting on a person. But it is not one of the Seven sins.
Curiosity?
Greed?
That is what I am thinking. but curiostiy is not a sin.
This I will have to disagree on, most sci-fi shows like to show invading forces spread inward, eye candy for the viewer, space has 3 dimensions so any advance culture can come at you anyway they want to. And since the oldest stars are near the galactic core, some of the most oldest civilizations will be there too.
Experimenting wasn;t the Vasari's Sin per say. I think enslaving entire systems, genocide, and tyranny give them more than enough sins as it is.
Duh, its Parallax! I guess we will have to do this without the Green Latern Corp.
experimenting falls under hubris and pride.
one particular sin no one wants to think of is that of being 'unrelational' with others. how many sins fall under that heading? broken relationships lead to all sort of sin. certainly all races of SOASE -and all of us to some degree- are guilty of this.
TEC bombs hell out of Advent Prime to stamp out the corruption. Vasari tear into TEC stripping worlds of resources and devastate populations to feed their exodus. Advent steamroll TEC blasting worlds apart and shredding minds like tissue paper. All are users exploiting the others for their own advantage instead of attempting to meet their real needs, which is why diplomacy failed utterly and now rebellion -further breakdown of relationships within the racial groups- is upon them.
Has anyone found anything in the English.str ?
Yeah, what is chasing the Vasari are the green lanterns (combined with many other things).
You can thank/blame Sinperium for this.
Actually, it is. A form of mental gluttony coupled with pride, again: theorically, you are supposed to trust in God instead of your mind.
I am so going to hell for this...
From the first game, I'd always thought the title referred primarily to what the Traders had done to the Advent, more than being related to the Vasari. Mostly a "Sins of the Father" sort of theme. There seems to be much more back-story related to the TEC/Advent in the first 3 installments that would more than account for the title. What makes people so sure the title is related to the Vasari?
Maybe it's something like the Shivans from the Descent Freespace?
http://www.hard-light.net/wiki/index.php/Shivans
Ending Spoilers for Freespace:
In the ending of Descent: FreeSpace, the protagonist speculates that the Shivans as a race are not necessarily evil, stating that "the Shivans are the great destroyers, but also the great preservers". Their role was to exterminate other species who advanced beyond their ordained place in the cosmic order. It is postulated had it not been for the Shivans' intervention 8000 years ago, the Ancients may have grown so powerful that the Terrans and Vasudans may not have been able to survive. In turn the protagonist realizes that the Terrans' expansion would have made them a threat to any other fledgling species. This theory is taken further by Admiral Bosch, who hypothesizes that many races came before even the Ancients themselves, who were each wiped out in their turn to allow a new generation to develop.
I believe the Devs said that in interviews leading to the first game's release that each race is characteristic of certain Sins present in our world today. Thus the title refers to all three. Its general assumed that the TEC has the sin of (excessive) corporatism and xenophobia, Advent has that of religious fundamentalism and revenge, and the Vasari have that of oppression and tyranny. There really is no good guy in this series. All of them are equally bad in their own way.
the race 4 have the misions of stops the wars? a purify faction?, a pure soul, like green light corp? (defenders of the universe), like the idea .
This "new faction" first crush the vasari because this empire crush all other and is more problematic ?
If I'm to speculate along these lines I'd say that the fourth race is the ultimate evil so the other factions repent their sins, join in a single alliance and defeat the common threat.
Maybe I'm out of the loop here or I'm missing the obvious, but where do you see the Vasari being chased by something?
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