Its the end of an era folks.
Quoting Yarlen, reply 41The Steam client will be required for Sins of a Solar Empire: Rebellion for initial install, updates and Internet multiplayer, regardless of purchase location. You can choose to play in offline mode via the Steam client after initial install, though ICO features and achievements will no longer be available.
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8. Gamers have the right to use their games without being inconvenienced due to copy protection or digital rights management.
Now its debatable whether this news actually goes against the PC gamers bill of rights Stardock pushed forward 3-4 years ago, but it certainly seems an ominous change of pace for the company to me. Are the other Stardock gaming communities concerned? Will other Stardock titles follow suite? Does this symbolically show the finalization of the Steam monopoly, short of the self sufficient EA and Blizzard titles? What does the wider community think, and what can we do about it?
I'm not denying anything. People aren't insisting that games require STEAM, some of us are simply "ok" with that being the case. While business might ignore alternatives (which would placate others) that is the choice of business, and if we don't like it we can walk (you know......do without?). That is simple fact. Everything else is just (as you put it) subjective perspectives which as has been stated as well have been discussed to death on this and many other forums.
You may not, but many people do insist on steamworks integration. Being "ok" with it is not the same as insisting on it. You're intelligent enough to know the difference. Yet you continue to attempt to apply your subjective perspective to all steam users.
The usual reason businesses give for steamworks integration is that people insist on it. Now we both know that's not the only reason but there is some truth to it.
Business will do what is deemed best for business regardless of what anyone else may think is best either for the business or for their own personal interests. Any reason business gives clients for doing what in fact is best for their investors is about as truthful or even pertinent as the crap coming out of a politician's mouth during an election year.
You can pander perceived reasons for same around all you want but that doesn't change the fact that your statement in itself is "subjective perspective" since you have absolutely no way of knowing if and how much truth is or isn't in it.
First you assert that people who want steamworks integration aren't advocating for less market choice.
Then you assert that there are no people advocating for steamworks integration.
Now your asserting that even if people do advocate for steamworks integration (while not admitting your previous assertions were wrong) it doesn't matter. While asserting that all businesses have investors and consumer sentiment doesn't effect business decisions.
I'm not sure if you live in the same reality as the rest of the owrld so there isn't really a point to continue this conversation. Since your main objective seems to be to throw anything against the wall and see if it sticks rather than having a rational discussion based on facts.
People do advocate for games to have steamworks integration.
Steamworks integration reduces market choice.
Not all businesses have investors.
Consumer sentiment does effect business decisions.
None of those are statements of opinion based on perspective, they are fact. You are entitled to your own opinion.. but you are not entitled to your own facts. What I don't get is if your not advocating for steamworks then why are you spending so much time trying to deny facts in relation to it?
What drives you to spend so much time attempting to sway others opinions on the matter that you have more posts in this thread than anyone if steamworks is a non issue for you either way?
You're doing well to display that "cult" like behavior I was referring to earlier. Ignoring facts in order to rationalize a position that certainly seems to be attempting to discredit anyone who doesn't share your opinion of steam.how can you deny the simple facts I listed above? You don't deny, you simply jump to another false assertion, or claim its all "perspective". Its silly. I'm speaking of reality and when the facts don't line up with your line of thinking you suggest that metaphysics is the problem.
First, I didn't mention steamworks at all.....I mention STEAM (distribution platform) and I didn't say "want" I said those of us who are "ok" with it are not the reason there is less market choice.
I have seen no evidence of people insisting on STEAM.
See above. Also I don't remember saying all business has inverstors nor did I say that consumer sentiment doesn't affect decisions. What I do remember stating is that what one says to the "client" /customer is often vastly different if even pertinent as to that which one says to one's "investors".
Kettle calling pot black eh? Seriously this is pointless.....
Again I was speaking specifically about STEAM and your initial words were "people are insisting etc. ". Are you making new assertions yourself perhaps?
I guess you mean the fact that a product which obviously people are "ok" with works is why no one else is trying to compete?
Didn't say they did.
See above. Didn't say otherwise.
Anyone get where I'm going here?
How much does it cost to ride this merry-go-round?
At some point, Google images is going to run out of cookie and pudding pictures...
I can deal with the dessert talk. Hell, I can almost deal with the critical 'food porn' or whatever talk.My issue isn't even with beating a dead horse. My issue is that people have started beating a dead horse about beating a dead horse.
Ok....I get it......consider this my exit from this thread then.......I'm sure you guys will all have fun posting whatever internet pic suits your fancy for years to come.
Yes... that is why I cannot support either cookies or brownies...
The hour is dire, and a new force is needed to bring order to the world of desserts.
Prepare yourselves for my brownie army!
Hey, I don't care what sweets you fight for. At least people around here don't get stupid crazy over the damned things...
cookies.
Team Cookie or Team Pudding? I believe Draak has made his choice.
StarDock has lost me as a customer. I like Impulse cause it does not really force you to use it. It is a nice and handy tool. I wish more companies would support it. Not force you to use steam. I hate buying a box copy game then sliding in the disk only for a stream requirement download to pop up. I bot the hardcopy cause it faster to install the game. No waiting 1 - 3 hours if not longer to download a midnight release. I hate digital. I do not mind using digital for updates but steam is bs where they force you to download shit you do not want to download that is not even an update. Here have this player mod. Well that fine and dandy if I want something like that but at the same time. Games only limite you to like 100 mods. I like to go to other mods sights and download other mods. I do not like to beforced to have unwanted stuff on my computer. Which I hate that about steam. I hate to be force to run it in the background. Which if you turn it on offline mod. Guess what. You have to waste even more gigs cause steam likes to make an online version and offline version. Damn I hate steam. I have even created a boycott sins of a solar empire rebellion. Cause Stardocks needs to get it through their sckull. Betray your fans and they will not buy from you.
By Betray I mean the whole grand speech they did many years ago about never having their games on steam or forcing you to use steam to play their game. which is why the created Impulse. The group is public so feel free to join.
I watched as Brad blogged on JoeUser, long before it became an open site. I read his blog, learned about the gaming industry, heard about the way he cared about consumers and how he just wanted to make amazing games. A TBS game that people's old computers could run too, when he made GalCiv. I've followed his career, I was around when he first posted about his new HQ building. I've been around a long time.
Let me tell you this that I do know about Brad, and Stardock. If there was a better way to deliver to you, and many others, the exquisite content which they have created for the purposes of your entertainment, they would have worked to not only find it, but invent it, code it, and bring it to you as an alternative. I know this because that's what Stardock does, and has always done. Because they did not do this, it must have been determined that Steam was the best way, not for Stardock, but for the consumers AND Stardock. So I have no problem with them choosing Steam. These guys don't just screw around and say, "Bah, whatever." They made their own digital distribution platform, for goodness sake! Then, because Steam did it better, they sold it, and now they use Steam. Doesn't that make sense? I think it does, and I bet Brad and the Stardock gang had quite a few meetings to determine this course of action, and weigh all the pros and cons from both the standpoint of the consumer, and themselves. Because Brad is also a consumer of fine electronic products, not just a creator of them. He knows how it feels to have copy protection.
Impulse wasn't sold because Steam is better...it was sold because it was sucking up resources away from game and software development, which is what Brad cares about most...
As for why Rebellion is on steam, SD has identitified two major reasons:
I believe the first reason, however I have doubts about the 2nd...little improvement has actually been made to the multiplayer scene beyond a few tweaks, and the way SD has handled this game only confirms their continual bias towards the singleplayer experience....not necessarily a good or bad thing, it's just a thing...
I couldnt help bumping this. So we got all of the downsides of steam with none of its supposed benefits? Yeah great job there Stardock/Ironclad!!!! Thanks for helping to improve the multiplayer of your #1 game!
Oh man! Not this thread again
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