Incoming MMO rant...

I cannot believe people will actually pay 60$ for a game AND pay 14$ a month subscription.  I mean jebus people have more money than sense. Why would you pay 60$ for something you can't even use unless you pay them a monthly subscription? I like MMOs don't get me wrong, but I'll pay either a subscription fee or 60$ for the game.. not both. Seriously wtf is the deal with double dipping like that.

I looked at the game cause it seemed cool.. but omg no way i'm going to pay 60$ for a game That i have to maintain a monthly fee to play. The software should be included with the subscription since its useless without one anyway. (the fact that some people actually paid 150$ for the collectors edition boggles my mind)

If Kaas Doesn't have a queue sometime this weekend, I will start up an Agent-Operative there and send you guys a tell. Also, I will probably go with Cybertech.

Ryat said something about Armortech for his crafting skill but I'll let him comment on that.

I could always replace my crafting skill, if its needed. All Im crafting biochem wise is some reusable stim pack, adrenaline, and med packs.

You could use my purples Pav, but no one else could. I wont go implants b/c your gun ho about those. Think I'll stick with Stims and other short time boosters. Since I use them alot.

As for the guild, Im good either way. Just didnt wanna step on toes since Frogboy invited us. But if as a group we wanna just make our own i'll jump right in there with yall.

Everyone should just play their toon like they want, and if and when we do end game stuff we can worry about being spec right and having proper gear.

I wish the guild vendor would let you apply in the game to a guild. 

I am an Operative Healer Focus. I do Cybertech. I found one of the Lords of Hyperion and got them to give my name to a guild officer. I would rather we all try to join Hyperion as a larger guild is a better guild. 

@Lord Xia, I would love to have a fellow Operative in the mix. Are you thinking about DPS or Healing?

But which one is used more annoyingly by MMO users?

you're all in the wrong guild folks

 Monthly fees were big WAY before WoW.  Just remember that WoW did almost nothing new.

The whole reason that MMORPGs got developed big time in the late 90s was that companies saw that people were willing to pay montly fees in Ultima Online, which really accelerated the growth of the genre.  The genre wouldn't be nearly as far along if it wasn't for the monthly fees.  I mean, Bioware wasn't going to spend $100 million+ on a game without monthly fees.

In any case, the first month is free.  Pretend its a normal game that you can play for a month if the montly fee bothers you.  Then re-up for a month every 6 months or so and pretend that the added content is a $15 expansion pack. 

In any case, I'm level 41 (with my crafting almost maxed out - ~380 in Artifacting and Archaeology), but I might come over and play with you guys when I complete the single player stuff with this character. 

Just to clarify. Monthly fees aren't an issue. Its charging 60$ for software that can only be used IF you pay the monthly fee. I'll accept either a monthly fee or the purchase of software.. but not both. Especially considering the 60$ software is useless without a paid subscription. (although I'm sure the disc makes a nice coaster)

Imho its just a way to prod the consumer into continuing to pay monthly fees since he's already dropped 60$ on a game.. if he cancels his subscription after the first month thats 60$ down the drain. (yes you got a month.. but who would rent a game for 60$ for one month?)

Forces the player to feel they have a vested interest to keep paying, and if a player doesn't like the game.. who cares they made their 60$. They don't really need his subscription at that point. They sold him a Plastic coaster for 60$ and its not like hes using bandwidth.

(I own 3 or 4 UO coasters.. and 3 or 4 FFXI coasters so its not like I haven't fallen for it before   although I will say UO had and still has a lot of private emulator servers you don't need to pay a subscription fee for.. had it not been for that I wouldn't have spent so much time on it back in highschool)

The invite was sent exactly when my father called for help with Quickbooks. By the time I accepted it said the invite has expired or something to that tune. I will have to catch another sometime soon.

On a side note, I have been marooned on Tattoine with no credits near a scrapyard full of deadly droids. Kaliyo, my gun for hire, my ship's droid (whom I suspect has been secretly spying on me for a rogue order of the Sith) and a new Jawa friend I have made are stuck scavenging to make cybertronics and sell at the local markets. I need to make a cool 80,000 credits to afford a speeder and get my ship out of lockdown by the local imperial authorities. I would use my clout as an Imperial Operative, but I am deep undercover and can't risk raising suspicion. It is going to be a long night.

So I bought the game and have been playing. Having tons of delay/lag in the Jedi temple on tython, at various places in the begining quests on tython, and now in the fleet. Grrr. I posted to the forums and got no response. I put in a ticket, but i'm not expecting much help. I figured i'd ask here. Anyone else experiencing lots of lag when you have a more than ample computer and updated all yr drivers and not running other programs?

These are my comp stats:
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 750 @ 2.67Ghz 2.66 Ghz
RAM:8.00 GB
Windows 7
Graphics Card:
ATI Radeon HD 4600 Series with 1GB memory.

I also have a direct cable connection. Blah.

Bloom was already off. However, I turned shadows off and shazam! Its so much better now. Thanks a lot Xia!

I keep mine at lowest detail and I am playing on a server on the other end of the country from my little house. Never seen a bit of lag. 

Did you guys hear that Obama declared tomorrow a nation SWOTOR holiday? We are all supposed to log in 8 hours of play. He said it is for the economy.