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Well, I started a thread back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike. I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc. Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.
Super fast background: I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust. Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me. In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards.
Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:
New Player tips
Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends
pacov's misc info
Here's a guide I made
pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo
k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts. I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so). We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not. Caveat complete.
Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role. You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not). You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2). In my case, I'm good at support and adc. I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops. Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important. If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know... Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it. I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.
Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles. Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby. Say "adc pref." Do this as soon as you hit the lobby. Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it. This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request. If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref." In my experience, you generally do not want to call support. It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible. If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you. If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win. You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.
Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo. If you solo, you have to rely on yourself. IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo. Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good? That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit. The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3. If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect. When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles. Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works. Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles. Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker. For example, Bryff is a good mid. If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered. In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing. Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game. Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support. If you want that, you can usually get it.
How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do. And this is really what I do on a regular basis. I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at. For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads. So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw. I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ). Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI. Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc. Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out. Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself. So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots). If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game. Then, do your best. Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role. And keep in mind what you need to work on. For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth. That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid. The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team. So, best to be ready for it. Put your time in and practice roles.
One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked. 1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want. Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT. 2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support. It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc. I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL. People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.
Lol King profiles for ranked tracking
I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them). Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time.
Snapshot updated 05/28/2014
Character guides
Yeah, buying runes before level 20 is a trap. Don't do it. Not only will you save IP, but you will also better know what runes you want.
disagree (as a guy with a few alt accounts anyway). They make a difference, and you really don't lose out by using the 375 ip trick to get 5 tier 2 runes. I'd just say don't over do it, but def endorse getting some runes this way on a new account.
Good video pacov. Thanks for taking the time to make and post that.
I'm looking into the different AD carry champions now..
I'd start by trying ash/trist. Ash is cheap for ip and trist is free (see the op for how to get.. think its there anyway). imo the BEST adc's are ezreal, corki, graves, miss fortune, and caitlyn. Miss fortune is possibly the best there is right now, but all of those characters have something going for them. You are welcome for the vid. Was just putzing around this afternoon.
Just don't pull Miss Fortune on a team with lots of interrupts.
So folks, Since Ive been playing some more with yall recently. And seen just how bad I am meta wise. Ive been working on expanding my abilites to play all roles.
Started with jungle right now, since I got put in a draft game and had to be jungle. Picked Yi, yeah...Im sure I can hear about 1000 things that make him a horrible...but I digress.
Did alright that game, did some half ass ganks but really the lanes did fine with out me.
Skip forward a bit, been playing some bot games and blind pick to get some more experience on how to build Yi, and what items I should go for first.
Had a game last night that sums up what Ive learned and packaged it into legendary status for me. By far my best game ever!
Yeah, Im just quit the game on that note. LOL, not really but you know
I saw an awesome yi jungler the other day. Our riven top dc at the beginning and yi was jungling at top combined, he got some kills on the jax and did some ganks. When the riven came back 15 minutes later we got into some teamfights and stuff. Another team fight happened and yi got a pentakill. Don't listen to those other people that don't like him.
@Carbon
Don't worry too much about who is supposedly not a good pick in this game. The sheep who will threaten to report you for playing jungle Yi one week, and then tell you that you have to play him the next when he becomes FOTM.
Also its fantastic that you're making an effort to learn all the roles, especially jungler. There are a lot of specialized people out there who don't have realistic expectations of the support they can get from their jungler because they don't play the role at all.
The best advice I can give about multiple roles is to try and specialize in a couple and then have one or two champs that are strong but more importantly aren't easily hard countered for the other roles.
So right now I'm playing a lot of support and am concentrating on trying to make good picks for who I'm laning with and matched up against. Janna/Lulu if with a Kog, Nunu if with a Cait or Vayne, Nunu, Taric, or Leona against Blitz, or Sona/Zyra if I don't know what I'm up against. Ooh! This reminds me that I gotta get better at Soraka now that Urgot is viable again...
The thing is since I spend most of my time in the bot lane, my efforts to branch out with other champs in the other lanes and jungle has been purely awful, so I'm going back to only playing champs I know like the back of my hand when I'm not playing support. It's just pointless IMO to have a champ for every occasion mid when you only play the role once every 30 games on average...
Congrats on kicking ass as yi, carbon.
Jungling is easily the most difficult support role in the game. It's also the go to role that sucks up the blame for people bitching as it is a support role during early/mid/early late. Plus you have to have great map awareness of the entire map (eg top just needs to worry about top/mid/jungle during laning (well... i guess if u run tp or shen, you have to keep an eye everywhere - bad example), while jungle needs to be constantly keeping an eye on the lanes, determining if he can make a difference when he shows up, calculate the loss to himself or the team if he chooses not to, etc). The thing is, as a jungler, you often have to make split second decisions that take some time to play out (eg bot lane needs help, I'm at wraiths - how do I go about getting to bot lane and can I accomplish anything when I get there). Anyway, I don't particularly enjoy the role for those reasons, but there's quite a bit of reward when you doing a great job of things by either helping the team snowball, getting team objectives, or making a great play that gets a lane back in it.
Completely agree with thunder's comment about having realistic expectations of each role based on experience in that role. I think the general bitchiness towards junglers is summarized as OMFG I'm losing my lane why aren't you helping me. Their jungler is here - where the fuck are you?
Yeah, nothing better than being a godlike jungle for an absolutely hopeless team that blames everything on you because they spend all their time pushing the lanes and then dying. It's just as bad as support, you rarely get credit for doing well unless you carry, and always get credit for your team sucking.
I love playing Support...
but I get blamed for doing everything "wrong..."
never once have I been complimented in pub games.
We get a double kill for the ad carry, no one on our team dies, and they still complain about how "this useless support had me tanking too much damage gg noob"
:/
Yeah - for me, I rarely get bitched out when I'm supporting. I can guarantee I'm getting bitched out when i jungle.
really fun games tonight - thx everyone!
edit - i feel like i really shook the cobwebs of my adc play now. It's been months and only a few games deep into season 3. Think I've got a reasonable grasp on it and am actually doing pretty well as cait (last game of the night was at like 320 cs vs the enemy carries 240 at one point). Anyway, really, really enjoyed playing cait with zyra support. Thunder did an excellent job and could easily carry me to 1700 in ranked methinks. Really pleased with his kill stealing playstyle . heh - anyway, had a ton of fun tonight. Thanks everyone for the games. Lots of good ones.
streaming a 4 man + 1 lady team all in skype - http://www.twitch.tv/1pacov1
Well, I have gotten a handful of games in as Ashe and I am starting to like her a lot.
The beginning is a bit slow as she doesn't do much damage - although enough to harass the first few waves of enemy champions(AI) into retreat.
Last hit is getting better but still difficult due to 1) the fact that the other player in my lane is also trying to last hit it seems and 2) my damage at the start is low so the margin of error to get a hit in is very low.
Mid game on she seems to really tear it up. The regular attack+slow against champions is very effective, especially when I stack attack damage. Right now I have been following one of the guides and going for Berserker Greaves+Infinity Edge+Phantom Dancer+The Bloodthirster and Last Whisper if I can get up to it. I'm starting to make more incremental purchases like BF Sword/Zeal/Dagger/etc as they lead up to the item I ultimately want.
Obviously this is very vanilla for this crowd but I need to start somewhere. pacov - I took your advice on the Masteries so far. Only 7 points right now but it makes me feel better It's not saying much but I am regularly leading the pack in the 5 vs. AI matches.
I like the look at the different AI champions each game as i am starting to get a feel for what they can each throw against me. I don't know all of the names yet but still... Miss Fortune has some powerful and annoying abilities. There is another guy in full armor who has a ranged stun ability that really ticks me off also. The big praying mantis champion has the ground spikes that mess up my day if I get caught in them but I can usually tell when the AI is going to cast that one and avoid it. One of the champions that I enjoyed playing, Lux, was ganking me from off-screen last night with that light blast. You can see it coming but it's difficult to get out of the way.
Just my noob-rambling.
pacov's video game marathon is at an end. Thanks for the gg's everyone.
nah - that's great. A day will come when vs ai is quite boring for you, but its a still a great way to get some quick IP or try out new characters etc. Glad you are starting to excel as that's obv fun.
ok - so, my latest experiment has to been to play caitlyn like a billion times as adc with pretty decent results. Thought I'd share a little. 1st - I really like zyra/cait as a combo bot lane. In like 90% of my games, that combo just zones the crap out of the enemy team with relentless harass. Cait's range + zyra's snares are surely a nightmare to lane against.
I run a standard ad rune page, BUT I sub in the lifesteal quints instead of AD quints. Then I always start with dorians blade. The sustain on cait is just sick and I pretty much consider life steal quints mandatory on her. I'm not 100% sure, but I believe her passive works with life steal, so you actually heal quite a lot. Even if that's not true, you end up with about a minimum of 10 hp healed per aa at level 1. Anyway, that + her range translate into a harassing machine that is pretty easy to cs with. Combine that with zyra and now I'm up like 30 cs over the enemy adc at 8 minutes in and we are outleveling them as they are probably zoned.
I'm curious if anyone has any feedback re: itemization. I adjust when I buy components based on current money, but its dorians blade/attack speed boots/blood thirster/(that item that uses pickaxe + a sword and gives armor pen)/zephyr/(whatever item is best at this time). I typically build in that order, but have alot of flexibility after the blood thirster. Any optimization thoughts?
Here's a short vid that shows the strength of cait/zyra + how to safely do a double golum start in season 3.
http://www.twitch.tv/1pacov1/c/1795585
Bryff is lonely on Christmas Eve.
I'm at work for Christmas Bryff, if it makes you feel any better.
k - I'm back in town. I'll likely be up for a game or 2 in a wee bit. Merry Christmas everybody.
I'm having problems with pvp.net right now but I'll play once I get connected.
.......I've been waiting for this all day. Muuu!
Dleh soooorry pacov.
man sooo many bad games last night. Anyway, major snowstorm hit Ohio pretty hard. I'll prob be on semi early today.
Bryff - made you a quick video discussing a couple of the things you did and shouldn't do as support. Not a big deal in the slightest, but I explain a few things that should help you support a little better if you end up in that role.
http://www.twitch.tv/1pacov1/b/351326404
Neat Video.
Adding those pointers to my support to do better list also!
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