I've locked/archived this thread/blog and have started a new discussion over here: http://forums.demigodthegame.com/454943/
Please join me if you like.
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Well, I started a thread back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike. I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc. Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.
Super fast background: I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust. Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me. In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards.
Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:
New Player tips
Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends
pacov's misc info
Here's a guide I made
pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo
k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts. I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so). We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not. Caveat complete.
Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role. You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not). You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2). In my case, I'm good at support and adc. I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops. Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important. If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know... Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it. I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.
Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles. Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby. Say "adc pref." Do this as soon as you hit the lobby. Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it. This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request. If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref." In my experience, you generally do not want to call support. It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible. If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you. If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win. You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.
Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo. If you solo, you have to rely on yourself. IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo. Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good? That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit. The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3. If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect. When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles. Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works. Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles. Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker. For example, Bryff is a good mid. If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered. In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing. Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game. Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support. If you want that, you can usually get it.
How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do. And this is really what I do on a regular basis. I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at. For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads. So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw. I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ). Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI. Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc. Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out. Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself. So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots). If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game. Then, do your best. Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role. And keep in mind what you need to work on. For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth. That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid. The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team. So, best to be ready for it. Put your time in and practice roles.
One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked. 1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want. Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT. 2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support. It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc. I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL. People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.
Lol King profiles for ranked tracking
I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them). Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time.
Snapshot updated 05/28/2014
Character guides
Really good, detailed article about madlife playing ali. Provides an excellent break down and discusses some more detailed strats. http://www.competitiveleague.com/an-analysis-of-madlifes-alistar/
No crashes yesterday. Hopefully the extensive re install fixed it.
well... worst case we know a really annoying arse way to get you up and running for a bit it seems...
Just wanted to get some thoughts down here.
1 - is there anything all that exciting on the horizon atm in LoL. I'm drawing a little bit of a blank. I think lucian will be a great add to the adc pool and he's fun to play as anyway.
smeh... have more thoughts but no time atm.... i get back to this in a bit... busy day
well i mean they released SGU like 5 days ago. what more do you want?
but they have a lot of reworks coming up (Rengar, Xerath, Heim, Olaf, Yorick, Skarner, Master Yi).
there is going to be a big overhaul of MR items next two patches.
there is the big S4 balance patch in 3-4 months which will include map geometry changes (to help jungler income), trying to address the vision problem in competitive games, and smooth out 2v1/3v1 fast push lanes that is dominating the competitive scene.
such a busy, annoying day... sigh. still no time to jibba jabba. :/
And off to eat... but 1st... this is on pbe
Turrets Summary: Turrets will be harder to push down within the very early stages of the game. We’ve also corrected a minor bug where purple side inner turrets had slightly more armor than intended.
Outer turrets gain a flat armor bonus at the beginning of the game for 8 minutes Outer turrets base Armor increased Outer turrets no longer gain Armor over the first 8 minutes Fixed a bug where purple side inner turrets had 10 more armor than intended Lots of other tentative changes http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3691287
Lots of other tentative changes http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3691287
also...
Summoner's Rift Summary: All camps outside of buff camps will now spawn later in the game. Some experience has been moved back from the Ancient Golem and Lizard Elder to their Young Lizard spawns so now junglers will need to clear the full camp in order to hit level 2, as opposed to simply killing the buff monster. Wolves
Spawn time increased to 2:05 from 1:55
Wraiths
Golems
Ancient Golem
Base experience granted reduced to 260 from 340
Lizard Elder
Young Lizard
Base experience granted increased to 50 from 10 Base Health increased to 400 from 300 Context: Our first jungle modifications in 3.8 were not quite enough to enact the changes we wanted, so we’re pushing spawn timers even further to finish the job while fixing some other unintended side effects. Junglers could completely cripple an opposing jungler – especially early on – without fully committing to confrontation by smiting the buff and escaping, or killing their opponent with the immediate level advantage. We like the importance of aggressive early game invades, but we want to make sure there is an appropriate amount of risk involved.
Context: Our first jungle modifications in 3.8 were not quite enough to enact the changes we wanted, so we’re pushing spawn timers even further to finish the job while fixing some other unintended side effects. Junglers could completely cripple an opposing jungler – especially early on – without fully committing to confrontation by smiting the buff and escaping, or killing their opponent with the immediate level advantage. We like the importance of aggressive early game invades, but we want to make sure there is an appropriate amount of risk involved.
ok - so my day was a bit shit. We have like torrential downpour during the day. My car is apparently in the magical spot that fills up with insane amounts of water. I go out for lunch today... forget umbrella... I'm like fuck it - don't mind getting a little wet. Then I get to my car... while its downpouring and find out that the only way to get in is via 5-8 inches of water. I'm like fuck it. I end up putting both leather shoes right in the drink and my feet are soaked. Eat lunch. Take off shoes/socks and try to dry em out. Doesn't work well... so soggy ass shoes all day. Work is crazy busy all day long. Not a fan. Walk out to my rental car (pacov was in a wreck a few days ago)... I live in Ohio near ohio state where folks hate michigan. I go out to my rental car and notice that it looks like its been keyed. Prob happened a few days ago. It was keyed because the fucking rental has Michigan plates. So, I'm likely on the hook on top of my wreck pain for whatever that shit is because of some douche bags. Then, I run home. Having a little dinner party. I grill outside in the rain. All that ends and I get onto lol. I play a few and have fun. I end up going tiger udyr top against a teemo that I have no idea how to play in all honesty. I do terribly. I call out where the guy kicking my ass is and am told I'm needy for doing so. I pick up multiple oracles at the teams request. I sell some of my items for a bulwark + more oracles at the teams request. Any engage that is lost is lost because of me. I know this 30 seconds before my team does. Still listen to grief knowing full well what the outcome of any failed engage will be. Knowing I might go on tilt, I take my headset off and just listen to music.
Game ends. Hedgie vanishes with brad. Just me, cow, and karl. This game, I feel like I play a decent game for the most part. No major errors imo and decent play over all. Downside is a shen vs udyr lane (our udyr) and a mid that ends up getting 100% of the kills bot - he gets majorly ahead but falls off big time while I need to farm out more power. Cow ends up supporting as other roles that he plays were called.
The only thing I learned is that you damn well better ban fucking shen if you want to solo top phoenix udyr. That's pretty clear to most now. Anyway, had a shitty night for the most part. Didn't appreciate the frequent call outs for me clearly losing lane in one game. Did my best to do whatever I could to try to help the team by listening to the same folks that would continue to bitch me out (oracles/bulwark). Shitty night made worse. Felt like the rest of the team was doing really well, so I honestly don't understand why I was getting complained at for asking for help. Pushing me to tilt when you are actually doing fine = ok... good idea - we will win this. Anyway, obviously shouldn't have tried out tiger udyr that game. My fault for that completely - so sorry for that. Rubbing salt in wounds though... disappointing. Tried my best to help out and not go on tilt at least. Minor victory for pacov.
Udyr is a common counterpick against Shen. You can count on Udyr to almost-always be able to stop the TP, Udyr can split well, and Udyr has reasonable sustain to deal with his sustain. Plus, Udyr mauls his face off level 1/2.
And i'm pretty sure that i have full right to leave champion select if i want. The way things were setup, i was gonna be the one to support you, you were already mad at me, and we know how that works out
I call out where the guy kicking my ass is and am told I'm needy for doing so. I pick up multiple oracles at the teams request. I sell some of my items for a bulwark + more oracles at the teams request. Any engage that is lost is lost because of me. I know this 30 seconds before my team does. Still listen to grief knowing full well what the outcome of any failed engage will be. Knowing I might go on tilt, I take my headset off and just listen to music.
Every lane was having a lot of pressure. Botlane me + brad were perma-pushed to tower in a lane that was mostly unwarded. Cow was against fucking Leblanc and she is miserable to lane against.
Sure, Teemo is probably also pretty miserable to lane against (esp as Udyr), but the fact of the matter is everylane was feeling a lot of pressure. You even got first blood with your red-pot cheese (but then fell way behind in levels somehow i guess).
Finally, since you always host the games (which is fine - you are the one who is formed the group), so you are always first pick. This means you get to pick whatever the fuck you want almost every game regardless of teamcomp. That also means that you need to lose your lane gracefully because you've taken it upon yourself to be the target of the other team's counterpicks 100% of the time.
Keep in mind WW going top after 2nd red was pretty risky since we are pushed to tower at the time and so the enemy team could have taken dragon while we were slow to respond, Fiddle support can tank dragon a little bit, Xin is alright at early dragons.
The thing that frustrated us the most is ... well you get thrashed, and then complain about Teemo trading objectives while we are doing objectives (like dragons + towers). (You were also basically a triaged lane - at one point you were 46 to 100+ CS on top of multiple kills behind).
No one told you to sell your items and then act like you're the victim (no one told you to build Bulwark - i said if you're falling super far behind, then building tank is probably a good idea rather than building damage).
You get frustrated Teemo standing in a place invisible but you don't buy pinks - you gotta buy pinks against a Teemo.
Cow made a ton of awesome plays that game and really kept us in the game by enabling so many objectives (mad props to him). He also suggested rotating top for awhile but that ended up not happening (iono why).
#me:
That game would have been buying Bulwark been a good idea (versus Morello + Locket)? Probably: they were all AP.
Should i have bought more pinks/oracles? Yeah. (that said: i'm not gonna burn a bunch of wards on warding our jungle if they have baron and are pushing mid - just wait for them at the tower plz instead of getting caught thx).
But, Morellonomicon made sense to me because of the multiple sources of burst + healing (Fiddle, Xin, Vayne all have large combat sustain, and big shields help agiainst the random mushroom or leblanc burst).
And we had two people who build Bulwark reasonably well (WW and Udyr).
Yeah, I had multiple pieces of Aegis when Pacov bought it straight out.
But anyway, Udyr has a number of matchup problems. That means, if you first pick him, you are going to get screwed sometimes. And if you do get counterpicked, the rest of your team probably doesn't want to hear about it a whole lot. You first picked Udyr, so you have to expect that these things are going to happen.
Also, that Phoenix build sucks REALLY BADLY in a lot of situations. I'm sure that it works well in some very specific cases, but it really has to be used with care. Udyr is good against Shen. That Phoenix build is not. If you are going to insist on first picking Udyr (who already has matchup problems) and then going to insist on going Phoenix (which you are indicating when you say that you shouldn't have gone Tiger), you are going to just screw you team a lot (like the 0/10/0 Udyr did in our final game).
In any case, hedge is probably correct that I should have paid less attention to your lane and more attention to bot. I did kill that Fiddles a few times on ganks, but I wasn't really putting Vayne behind, which was the bigger problem. You actually received a pretty large amount of attention from myself and mid (we had multiple successful ganks on Teemo), but were still wanting more and more.
Sorry if I busted your balls pacov. You probably had your headset off already when I apologized/sympathized with your teemo lane opponent. Teemo is pretty stupid for udyr regardless of what build you go. I don't think there is a build you could of went that would of made much of a difference vs teemo. That being said I do hate this new udyr build that appears to be flavor of the month as I have seen it 4-5 time already. I personally feel that udyr's ability and kit are made to be a tanky initiator/sticking to opponents carries and not split pushing. I have always seen him as a jungler and not a top laner. He has his place top but I personally feel he should only be played tiger top even then I would much rather have an udyr jungler than an udyr top laner.
oh... I don't think you've ever seen my tiger udyr build before. That phoenix split lane is certainly flavor of the month though. T'was popularized by trick2g (guy who's nunu resulted in the nunu explosion). Once folks get over SGU, you'll start to see less and less of that split push build.
Thought I'd address this one - you did notice that I didn't say anything negative about you buggering off though, right? I figured you had your reasons - same as I had mine for taking the headset off. No complaints there from me.
re: aegis - maybe I heard folks wrong - I felt like I was getting my chops busted for not having aegis, so I picked it up at what I thought was the request of at the very least hedgie. Curious to hear what was actually said - will have to take a quick listen after work. The ONLY reason that I picked it up, period, was that I felt like I was being harassed for not doing so. Maybe I was already strangely agitated and misunderstood, though.
I also seem to recollect folks wanting me to buy oracles instead - maybe I heard that wrong. Getting your ass handed to you and then your balls busted by teammates does tend to get the tilt process going anyway, so its certainly possible that I misunderstood what folks were asking.
Bulwark: Brad Wong said something along the lines of "why don't we have bulwark? we need bulwark against these mushrooms". (i also had like a null mantle + bead ... not very close to Aegis but 600 gold into it).
Then Karl said something about defending blade of the ruined king. Then somehow i got to you and i did say "when you fall behind you should build tank, not damage", although i at least meant it in the "this would have been a good thing to start doing 10 minutes ago" not in the sense of "build it right now".
Your first Oracles @ around 20 was Brad Wong saying Oracles is the counter to Teemo and it was a good idea - at the same time i was saying just bring a pink ward and so could sneak it into that bush he keeps going invisible in. However, when you have lost both your towers, well, things happened too late to make up for it with just one pink ward.
#me leaving:
i guess the tone of the paragraph/sentense structure led me to believe you were a little bitter/frustrated about Brad and i leaving. But not super mad.
#ballbusting:
i think that we've all fed really bad here and there, and so i don't think we get mad that you were struggling that game. if you joke about it, i think we generally feel alright about it? But when you have a lot of negative things to say about the lane, then it just gets really frustrating because you lost your lane and then want a lot of team resources. And if you want a lot of resources from the team, be sure to pay it back later (eg, that one time i was frustrated because we had the ability to get an inhibitor but you ended up getting top tower instead). Obviously buying those oracles at 30 minutes+ was "paying it back" but at that point we were maybeee gonna win but after that partial ace we never really got back into the game.
in the future i will try to keep critique a little lower during the game and try to keep it on here instead (people are obviously less sensitive here), and when i do have things to say about people usually it is meant in a high-level "do this next time" way, not "omg you fucking suck noob feeder" way. if you aren't feeling very well or whatever, i won't be offended if you don't invite me and instead invite someone else.
while i'll say i'm sorry for contributing to a more frustrating evening for you, please keep the above in mind as well.
well - to be fair, I wasn't thrilled, but I understood. If the decision is made to avoid more of a toxic environment, then great. If you thought I was going to be on tilt and choose to avoid, hey - no objections from me. Matter of fact, if dropping keeps things from escalating, then I think that's even praiseworthy. Still kind of sucks to have 2 pals bugger off after a bad game though - i get it though
You say quite a bit here and I'm going to jibba jabba a smidge. Here's one thing I honestly never get (note that the rest of this is me genuinely trying to figure something out). Let me back track to a couple nights back to set this up. So, we play a game with socialist ryan - old demigod fella - anyway, if our 1st game, I'm doing my udyr top phoenix stuff and its going pretty well. Well, ryan morphs into what is probably the best example of a shot caller I've ever played with for this game (note - this game... not quite so much on a few of the following, but hey - this game). The guy is calling shots great left and right. Now, I have a habit of doing something that I think plays extremely well into folks that are shot callers. I call out things that are going on around me when I notice them or give lane status, etc. In that game for instance, I'm calling out this and that (top lane is back, omw bot with tp, omw to you, their red just spawned, their jungler is top, etc). Now, all of that is either filler info or useful intel. Eg if I say their red just spawned and their jungle is on the other side of the map, well that helps. People might not have seen what I saw, so sharing that info could be a bunch of help. The same way someone calling out jungle is bot when I'm top lane, etc. Those are really great call outs that I might not be aware of and could embolden me to do this or that. Anyway, its just a good thing for us to share in voice chat (provided folks don't get annoyed at hearing that sort of thing). Anyway, so I'm a bit in the habit of doing this.
So, last night I do the same sort of thing calling out this or that in lane where I'm getting my arse whooped. I don't think I'm shouting or demanding (though I recollect 1 time making a snide comment about karl coming top) - I'm sharing intel on what's happening around/in the lane, etc. Onto the part that I find confusing - some folks seem to get quite pissed off when I share about things like that... maybe I'm talking too much? Maybe I have a negative sounding tone? Maybe I'm actually bitching? I really don't know. Sometimes a similar sort of thing happens unrelated to me having a bad game and I'll call out something and someone will just lose their shit. Doesn't really help without having a particular example I guess.
anyway, re: that inhibitor play - honestly, I just play bad when I get wound up. Completely agree that getting an inhib would have been the better move of course, but I was out of sorts by that time. A bit of a cross between trying way to hard to be helpful and trying to take objectives but not thinking clearly enough. Even when I sold my silly arse BotRK for aegis, I wasn't trying to troll. I felt pressure to do so and do whatever I could to help out. Certainly wish I would have gone for that inhib instead.
I don't really mind critiques here and there and usually consider such things coaching. Obviously, if I'm getting completely roflstomped, I might be a little more sensitive, eh? Maybe try to be more thoughtful in those, thankfully somewhat rare, situations. Nothing better than getting crushed then knowing that whatever happens next will be blamed on you.
Thanks. Just kind of a bummer. Life rolls along and I haven't submerged my leather shoes in water yet today. Things are looking up.
This is a point I would like to expand upon.
Everybody loses their lane sometimes. I surely do quite a bit when I play in lanes. The question is what to do about it.
Pacov's line of reasoning is generally that he should try and catch up. That is, lots of split pushing and farming - this will often be an ongoing process 30-40 minutes into the game. This has also caused a lot of complaints from myself and others.
I would argue that the opposite is, in general, more appropriate. That is, group up with your team, and give your team a chance to do something. You don't have to carry every game - just give your team a chance to do something.
The big thing is that if somebody is off farming and trying to catch up, the rest of the team can't push what advantage they might have. They can't do anything 4v5, so other lanes' advantage is totally nullified, and chances are the person who is behind isn't going to catch all the way up either.
My personal feeling is that I've been robbed of a chance to do something when I have an advantage because somebody is not with the team and trying to catch up on their own. That makes me grumpy - if you fall behind, at least give your team a chance to work their advantage.
This is something that I've brought up before - games are typically won by teams and teamfights, not individual actions. When things are going bad, just group up. Keep it simple. Try and make plays as a team. In my opinion, the correct move is rarely to try more exotic strategies as an individual.
Thats not to say that split pushing is always wrong, but it has to be used with great care.
Now, I don't want to sound too negative toward Pacov here since he does many great things in game. But this is one thing that happens quite a bit and causes us great frustration, so it probably needs to be said.
I actually said the opposite - I said that BotRK shouldn't be built with Tiger Udyr that much.
Now, that may sound hypocritical since I build it a lot when I jungle (tiger) Udyr. But they key is when I build it.
Tiger Udyr scales VERY well with AD. He scales very poorly with AS (thats what Phoenix Udyr wants). BotRK has a lot of gold tied up in AS, so its not the perfect buy.
However, Bilgewater builds into BotRK and does have it's money focused in AD (plus the useful slow). So, Tiger Udyr can build Bilgewater early, then finish BotRK late. IMO, there is no reason to rush BotRK on Tiger Udyr. The passive %hp damage isn't going to be that useful early game anyway (especially against a Teemo).
Its a tone of voice thing. You might think that you are just relaying facts, but your tone is generally upset and exasperated. And you tend to relay bad things happening in your lane very frequently. When you combine that with the tone, you send a very negative message to your team.
Also, if your team doesn't immediately react to your updates, you will yell at us. A lot. For example, if you tell me that top is getting pushed, but I choose to defend a mid push instead, I know that I am going to hear complaints about it.
yah - no i caught that you were not a fan of me having botrk. I don't relaly have any defense or intention of defending w/e build I went as tiger - believes meh
ah - ok. I'll try to work on that. Something I do pretty commonly, so it will take some work methinks.
You say quite a bit here and I'm going to jibba jabba a smidge. Here's one thing I honestly never get (note that the rest of this is me genuinely trying to figure something out). Let me back track to a couple nights back to set this up. So, we play a game with socialist ryan - old demigod fella - anyway, if our 1st game, I'm doing my udyr top phoenix stuff and its going pretty well. Well, ryan morphs into what is probably the best example of a shot caller I've ever played with for this game
i was half-watching that game (he was amumu right?)
Well the difference that game was he was camping your lane which i'm sure you noticed
But most importantly, he was making plays the entire game (which so happened to include camping your lane and getting you ahead with crazy behind-the-tower dives)
That game, Cow and Karl made tons of plays. Cow had so many good roams and counterroams and picked up so many kills. We converted those kills into objectives (mid tower/bot tower + dragon).
Comparatively, you were asking for 2 people to chase around teemo and eat a bunch of mushrooms so you could get red/5 CS.
That isn't really a "play", it doesn't accomplish anything except very briefly relieve some pressure and it doesn't turn into an advantage across the map.
(that said: obviously it's a good idea to show your face around the map sometimes just because people can't play as aggressive if junglers are near, esp if their flash is down (or, for example, a Barrier/Ignite Fizz who wants to slaughter your mid). Teemo with a forest of mushrooms and no pink wards has the equivalent of like 15 flashes).
4 solo queue ranked games at gold IV 0 lp and 4 wins. Off to bed, but setup for my promo series to gold III. Good stuff. Missed playing with you fellas, but I have been kinda wanting to get back into ranked more. Would really, really, love to hit plat this season. A bit of work to do there. I'm actually wondering if I might promote to gold II if I win here - getting like 25, 35, 37 lp for my wins tonight. Anyway, got to play jungle, adc, support, jungle tonight. Most difficult game to me anyway was playing support. Felt like I performed pretty well in the games though. Super impressed by the thresh support I had helping me out in my adc game. Guy was pretty damn amazing. Anyway, off to bed. Night all!
I'm going to do a short live vlog in a min or two. Might not post the link until tomorrow, but you can catch it as the last vid on the twitch screen if you aren't reading this now.
OK - off to bed. Here's the twitch link to the vlog (vlog #11) for those that are interested. It's uploading to youtube now. Night all!
http://www.twitch.tv/1pacov1/c/2624986
Thunder's name on league is Dynamo Sexy btw ^.~
curse you, brain! You did fine during the actual games though... NIGHT!
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