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well.. I've been getting some good peterdumptruck time in recently anyway.  I miss the more competitive aspect.  Hoping I can catch 5 of you that want a game on SR soon.  Feel like i keep missing out on chances for more challenging games.  I did a bunch of ARAM tonight for shits and giggles, but I really want to do more rift

That said, I'm debating something I haven't seen before and have been trying it out with reasonable results.  Ashe bot lane with crit damage runes + armor.  I had a ton of IP and decided to waste it on crit damage runes.  Turns out you can get to about 50% bonus crit dmg with runes/masteries.  I'm at about 36% bonus w keeping armor yellows.  Now, its a goofball strat with some champs... BUT ASHE... maybe not as much.  You build her like my AS crit build.  PD, boots of swift, IE.  Right there, you are at 55% crit base.  You have about 220 dmg or something.  Crits for 245% dmg 55% of the time with that.  And you are kiting.  And you have her passive so you start with a crit.  Anyway, w 220 dmg + 245% crit, you are 1 hitting for like 720 or something... and consider that you are ulting, slowing and 1 hitting a target.  It's a lot of dmg.  Anyway, its a nonsense build to some degree, but that extra 41% dmg + 5% extra for targets below x hp.... and you get AS boost from masteries when u are already fast.  Anyway, its very strong.  You lose lane and you are a POS.  You break even or win lane and its very, very strong.  Hoping to try it out in a reasonably matched game on rift sometime soon.  It's really just an extension of what I've already done with my move speed build... it actually doesn't really deviate much from that at all and has more dmg output.  You just lack MR and some early ad.. which her passive covers as long as u can farm fine with lower dmg.  I did notice that I picked up lifesteal consistently after my ie... she needs LS, but rushing pd/ie provides some big adv. 

Maybe... not really set in stone on my AS/MS ashe build.  The crit of static procs based on what you hit.  for instance, whatever I targetted will be hit with crit based on my AD.  Anything that is chained only crits on the 100 base dmg from lightning on shiv + my crit dmg %. So, if I had a flat 200% crit dmg with 200 dmg, my target (whoever I hit with aa) would take 600 dmg.  Anyone hit with shiv proc would take 100 dmg + 200% crit or 300 dmg.  BUT - u are right that I could chain folks with my slow using that.  So, on one hand, I could slow and run through creeps.  On the other hand, I could slow at range (eg I attack someone other than champ and chain to them) and then try to chase - BUT, I could still get creep blocked.  It could work either way.  My experience (SO FAR) is that ashe has no problems quickly pushing a lane if needed w/o shiv.  And I more often than not miss a kill because I was creep blocked (people try to stand behind creeps so I can't volley, but I can often AA with my slow to get at them while they are behind a creep wall... only to miss the kill because douchebag creep).  Anyway, bottom line its a novelty setup, but actually makes logical sense to use on ASH.  AND - makes a shit ton of sense with how they are talking about reworking her passive.  If they redo her passive the way they have been talking, well.... believe me, I have the right idea working on her and playing MS/crit setup.  We'll see if they go through with the passive changes, but I'm telling you, she moves to tier 1 ADC if they do. 

getting out of gold is a sick demented joke. 

I think I am going to take an extended leave of absence from league again. I got up to 96 LP before losing like a million games in a row. I hate this meta, I hate trolls, I hate DCing people, I hate getting counter picked. I don't know how I am supposed to take this game seriously when you have to rely on people. The meta doesn't suit my play style at all either because of the type of champions that are insanely popular. Kha, kassidan, zed, fizz, and ahri all counter my favorite mid champions. 

It also doesn't matter one bit how well you lane vs those fucking gimmicky all in champions. You can not give up a kill to them in lane but it doesn't matter because they roam bot and top and no matter how many times you ping or call mia the retard bot or top will sit there and keep farming then fucking die. 

1 out of your last 10 games had a cait in it.  And your last game you went as soraka w/ kog vs cait/nami.  You apparently became enraged and got both sword of the occult and meija on sork... so you trolled after you wanted to murder your adc for farming out a late game carry.  That kog sucks w kog per stats and should have gone ez based on win %, though. 

Anyway, it blows say, but the more difficult it is, the greater the feeling of accomplishment when you hit plat.  Getting to gold was extremely frustrating for me (or even take karl who was constantly getting fugged in his promo matches).  Feels pretty good to finally hit your goal.  Hopefully you take a short break and then decide to stick with it.  Anyway, best of luck when you do get back to it.  Hoping to see you hit plat!  Sorry you've been having a shit time with things lately. 

Nah - not really.  I'm certainly an enthusiast of the game and really enjoy it, but we don't have a dedicated team that would practice, etc.  We just have a bunch of pals of varied skill levels that get together on a regular basis to play.  I'm certainly not looking to put together a tourney of sorts at this time.  I'd be really excited to play on a dedicated team, but we've found that it just doesn't pan out for long.  We'll get a bunch of us together and play several games together as ranked 5's.  Then eventually someone will flake out for whatever reason.  There are only a few of us, imo, that would be willing and able to meet regularly to practice and play ranked 5s.  Not really worth the effort imo.  So, I just stick with what we all enjoy doing - which is typically playing in house games against each other when possible, playing normal games against other folks, or duoing in ranked games. 

re: Ashe

i do agree that Zeal-first is a good way to build Ashe/Kog (this is what Genja does - though Genja isn't the best ADC imo, he is one of the few who plays Ashe in tournaments).

The key part is after the Zeal, you should go IE, then finish your Zeal into a SS. 

PD first is really never a good idea. PD is a multiplicative item... it gives AS, and Crit% which both are multiplicative stats off of AD (and eachother). 1*2 == 2 (PD), but 1 + 2 == 3 (BT). Then, (1 + 2) * 2 == 6 (BT + PD). SS at least has the base damage with its passive (there are some people who build SS first on Vayne since she has no AoE + helps her burst + scales off of AS well if you max W.. even if that isn't the best idea). 

SS is generally better for objective control + pushing, plus the early teamfight burst does help. PD is better for raw damage, in particular if you're someone who has a really good AD steroid (like Draven). 

i generally disagree with Crit damage runes. They are... really weak runes. Just looking at Crit damage reds, they are 2.23%. Standard flat AD are, of course, ~1 AD. If you're at 63 AD (about what you'd have with a dorans blade, but pure Crit), each AD rune increases your damage by ~1.5%. 

Not only does that increase your non-crit damage, it also affects your Volley, your last hits... everything. So 1.5% per rune (at low levels, it scales down to like 0.5% super late game) all the time, versus ~2% for your first shot every time you come back to lane, +2 damage on your SS procs and 2% * crit% the rest of the time. 

Don't think it's worth it.

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/20056890#ranked-stats

Janook is making it work. He mains Lux, plays a lot of Ziggs. Some Brand, Syndra, some TF. Those are your style of champs.

Lux/Ziggs/Syndra/Brand are all about drawing lanes... you really play them for the farm anyway. Your range + damage poke means you are constantly at a slight advantage - it's hardly unfair that if they do get close to you that you lose the duel.

And, since your champions like to sit there and farm, it seems kinda naive to whine that they aren't just sitting there and farming with you. Esp as melees. What they are supposed to take burning pillars for free all laning phase?

Kass is pretty much bullshit though, i agree.

But, do you build Merc's against Kass so you can actually retaliate after the silence?

Do you use Barrier against Fizz? 

Do you rush Zhonyas against Zed since it cancels his ult? (Or ban him because he wsa OP as fuck for awhile -.- )

If people are roaming (Kha'zix with Mobility boots is a terror), are you at least trying to take tower? Or you just farming wraiths?

Why do you have a runepage with AP/lvl yellows and MP5 blues? Why are you not using MP5 yellows and AP/lvl blues. You're giving up stats for no gain. (though obviously MP5 blues makes sense if you're using Armor yellows in an AD lane).

Why are you using AP/lvl quints when they are worse until level 12? And you only gain 2.74 AP @ 18? If you're using these runes, why would you expect to win an all-in anyway? 

You're more than welcome to criticize me as "retaliation" if you want. 

I'm not sure if I agree with the overall math here or not.  I start out criting for 241% (36% runes, 5% mastery) off a kind of low base (60-70 ad).  So, with my 1 guaranteed crit, I do close to 190-200 dmg unless I'm mucking the math including armor mitigation.  Without the bonus damge, I'd be doing 160 or so (factoring normal base armor).  So, that's 30-40 extra dmg immediately at level 1 on a champ that is good at kiting.  And the potential for damage only goes up.  If I have 100 ad, with the 241% bonus, I'd be doing 330 or so dmg after armor.  Without, I'd be doing 290 of so.  200 ad + 241% = 670.  200 ad + 200% = 600.  Anyway, that's like an extra 70 dmg on a hit... and it only gets more strong with IE.  I still believe its a silly setup because of course, early/mid, I'm not criting on every shot.  But mid/late, I'm criting quite a bit with always having potential to hit. 

re: SS - I'm still kind of like smeh.  Ash doesn't have a pushing problem with voley.  And having pd encourages me to be closer to the enemy and having more chase kill potential.  I'm likely only going to proc ss during laning like once.  Anyway, for how I'm playing, I think PD is better and would result in more kills.  Could just be a playstyle thing.  I'll give ss a go and adapt and try that out. 

Did that replay also show how we didn't initiate, like you claim?

When we play as a team, we should play as a team.  Not as PACOV THE ONLY ONE WHO MATTERS and 4 other guys.

We had baron plus an exposed inhib.  We had  5 (nearly) grouped mid.  Yet, your call was to have 80% of the team go sit under a tower and accomplish nothing and get no gold, while one INDIVIDUAL on the team gets a moderate amount of gold (maybe 400).

That is an incredibly selfish call.  To expect your whole team to sit around while the 0/4 carry farms while we have baron and an open inhib is simply selfish play, not to mention a bad call.  I mean, you are counting on Peterdumptruck playing support with no escapes to not do something stupid while you farm.  Especially since they had very strong engages, and we had very weak disengages (making it prohibitively difficult to prevent them from engaging on us).  Good bet there.

I honestly don't get it.  We talk over and over and over and over about how grouping wins games.  We talk about how it is so difficult to win when they are grouped and we are split, especially when we have guys like peterdumptruck who sometimes have difficulties making the right choice in split push situations.  Yet you repeatedly choose to ungroup.  I just don't understand that.

We lose at ~1 minute of baron while an INDIVIDUAL on the team gets a moderate amount of gold.  The other 80% of the team has to huddle under a tower because they can't do anything, meaning they almost certainly lose gold that they would have gotten had we played as a team.  I'd say that your move broke even if you consider TEAM gold (rather than just your own), while we lost a lot of baron time.

This is incredibly selfish thinking again.  You don't even pause to consider that if you leave the team, 80% of the team can do absolutely nothing (or worse, get caught and almost lose the game).

Have you ever played with Peterdumptruck?

Anybody who has played with him knows that "wise" does not apply.  You are trusting PETERDUMPTRUCK WITH NO ESCAPES to play perfectly in a difficult 4v5 situation where they have strong engages, and we have no real way of disengaging.

Once again, completely selfish thinking.  You don't even pause to consider how you screw over the rest of your team when you leave the group.  The rest of the team can now do absolutely nothing and can get no gold/xp.  But hey, PACOV can get some bonus gold, and thats all that matters.

So we lose gold/xp on 80% of the team and a good chunk of the baron timer.  Thats a substantial loss to the team.

I also don't think that it was nice to call out Chaos there repeatedly.  You knew that I wasn't the one who got caught there (as you say in chat).  I wasn't anywhere near the fight since I ran.  But you keep blaming everything on him, and you dumped on him quite about, including in this thread.  I think thats not so nice since he didn't say anything negative, and hadn't taken any shots at you even while you struggled a bit.

I didn't have anything to do with the mid push - I ran from that engage.  Why are you trying to get me to call out teammates?  I'm sure that they realize that that wasn't the ideal play, so there is no need for me and you to call them out.

On the other hand, you consistently ungroup for reasons that I don't understand, so I think that there is a reason to bring it up.

What I'm saying is this: there is a very consistent pattern when people play with you.  You leave the team to do your own thing, one of your teammates gets caught by a grouped team, then you blame them for getting caught.  This subject has come up at least twice before in this thread.  It has also come up repeatedly in inhouse games.

It's especially frustrating for me since I am usually playing melee bruisers, which means I get to be completely useless and can do nothing but sit under a tower watching you solo something.

Instead of consistently putting your teammates into a position where they can do nothing good, and only bad things can happen with them, you might want to consider just playing with your team more and soloing by yourself less.

You two are ridiculous.

I really love playing dominion, because you can play a lot of different champs, and can almost always pick the one you want to play that game.  So because I've gotten into playing Irelia lately, I can pick her, without being forced out by someone calling top.

A game with PeterDumpTruck had a lack of team cohesion in it?

Shocking.