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Well, I started a thread back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike. I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc. Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.
Super fast background: I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust. Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me. In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards.
Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:
New Player tips
Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends
pacov's misc info
Here's a guide I made
pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo
k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts. I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so). We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not. Caveat complete.
Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role. You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not). You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2). In my case, I'm good at support and adc. I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops. Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important. If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know... Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it. I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.
Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles. Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby. Say "adc pref." Do this as soon as you hit the lobby. Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it. This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request. If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref." In my experience, you generally do not want to call support. It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible. If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you. If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win. You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.
Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo. If you solo, you have to rely on yourself. IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo. Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good? That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit. The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3. If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect. When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles. Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works. Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles. Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker. For example, Bryff is a good mid. If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered. In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing. Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game. Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support. If you want that, you can usually get it.
How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do. And this is really what I do on a regular basis. I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at. For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads. So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw. I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ). Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI. Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc. Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out. Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself. So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots). If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game. Then, do your best. Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role. And keep in mind what you need to work on. For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth. That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid. The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team. So, best to be ready for it. Put your time in and practice roles.
One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked. 1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want. Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT. 2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support. It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc. I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL. People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.
Lol King profiles for ranked tracking
I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them). Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time.
Snapshot updated 05/28/2014
Character guides
AFAIK, there is only one other member who has logged on recently. I have sent another PM, could you please read and action it so that others can help grow the guild, even if you don't play it any more. That would be very much appreciated. I like the idea of a Stardock GW2 Guild, and would be willing to help keep the Guild going, and inviting more people to it. I have met a few along the way you know.
Won't be on til 11pm rest of the week... work gah... appreciate the vids, pacov!
EDIT: Team hook is awesome
Your vlog 2 is fine now, must be Wendy's.
f team hook. Every time I play with pete and I can't talk to him I want to cry.
I had a really good feeling we were going to get to have some in house games last night when I saw both dax and swan on. Glad everyone could make it. The 5v5 in house games are easily my fav thing currently. Love it when we get to play against each other and try to kick each others arses.
So, I played the other day with dax and he went taric. I could not gell with the guy and kept misunderstanding how he was going to play things. Then, he switches over to lux, which I don't think he'd played before. Night and day difference. He does a great job zoning and picks up her support playstyle really well. I think lux was the 1st "fun" support I started playing. I still kind of think she's a run support and pretty good for the team with her burst + utility.
re: thresh - jebus, my opinion has changed quite a bit. If any of you recollect, I didn't really like him as a support and I tried him out in a ton of different roles just to get a feel for how he'd do (even adc thresh - which blows btw). I think a lot of my dislike for him as a support had to do with my inexperience and folks inexperience with how to interact with him. Now I kind of see him as a top tier support for all that utility. I that silly combo with thresh/rammus. Anyway, he's generally a fun champ to play as, which is always nice to see in the support role.
re: taric - my opinion of him has hit a pretty big low. I'm really glad that riot hammered him enough so that he's no longer always picked. I need to check his pick/win rate and see where that is at now. No idea if its really dropped off a ton or not. Anyway, leona is likely my current fav support to play as.
@hedgie/thunder - I've got to say I was a bit surprised to with your champ selection during our 1st in house game last night. Not just the champs, but also with who was playing them (thunder = leblanc, hedgie = quinn). Was that just a pick because you (like I did) thought we had a weaker team? Do you guys go that combo and have some success? I didn't even know that thunder played leblanc (am I remember it wrong and hedgie was leblanc?). Anyway, I still really think that quinn is a rot champ. I'm really hoping the changes they have in store for her (does anyone have a link to those changes? I can't find them) will make a nice difference.
Anyway, I'll be on later tonight.
That's because thunder doesn't play leblanc
good article on the upcoming sejuani changes
http://www.team-dignitas.org/articles/blogs/League-of-Legends/3209/A-look-into-the-Sejuani-Rework/
I'd like to mention that if we do in house matches with Peter, I think that Peter needs to be on the team of somebody that he at least kind of listens to (ie Pacov).
In the second game last night he was on my team, which is bad because he has me ignored on everything. He didn't really listen to anybody else, so it caused some real issues late in the game. I get pretty non happy when we have somebody who doesn't listen at all to anybody else.
I'm not saying that that loss was all Peters fault. I know that I played poorly (toward the end of the first game I started to get a real fun sinus headache, so I was somewhat out of it). But the part where we had a free baron after taking mid inhib already, but lost it (and gave it to you plus a double kill) because Peter was slow farming mid was...unfortunate.
Re: Karl
I was playing shitty too... but a lot of that had to do with my real fun PeterDumpTruck headache. The Peter frustration level got unbearable and it really affects my game when someone is... ugh, being Peter.
I used to find him amusing but not any more. I mean, it makes my blood pressure go up when I even just spectate friends playing with him now.
Re: Pacov
That was I think maybe... my second time playing LeBlanc? First time was a bot game a year ago.
Hedgie and I were messing around with that combo, not because we thought you guys had a much weaker team but because... well, when Peter is playing who gives a fuck? Maybe he plays like someone with 3000 games as Malzahar and actually contributes? Maybe he gets caught and gives his team shit about not taking advantage of it... like the opposing team blowing a couple CDs to instagib him is some huge opportunity we failed to take advantage of... and team morale drops through the floor? Maybe someone convinces the other team to take him, then bans the only champ he can play and the game is over in champ select?
So yeah... You don't know what's gonna happen when he's in the game, so why take things seriously was my mindset.
lb/quinn:
We do think it is a legit comp, and plan on playing it in ranked once Quinn gets buffed. It wasn't meant to be offensive/etc. (Was your AD thresh supposed to be offensive? Playing Ryze that one random inhouse game?)
We played that comp for the same reason Curse played Jungle Fizz in LCS - sometimes the best time to try new things is in competitive scenes where not a lot is at stake (eg, Peter is playing the game).
And it clearly worked - Karl came down twice before level 6, and 3 times afterwards. The bottom lane was effectively 3v2 for the first 10 minutes of the game (Karl first level 6 gank was @ 8:40). i was 40-60 CS ahead of you most the game.
The reason the lane went sour was a few reasons.
1- we should have gotten a pink after first kill (pink wards setup the 2nd gank, me not checking bush with W with the lane gank was bad)
2- i had a bad build (should have gone double dorans instead of Vamp)
3- Karl camp
4- a few bad exchanges (haven't played Quinn or even ADC in awhile, there was that one time i went stupid and chased you around - to be fair i was a Zeal ahead of you but i think i missed my blind/your axes just fell on top of you/your BT was fully stacked from champ kills but mine was 0/something silly)
5- i think i spammed a little too much mana after we first blooded you. i should have tried to stay out in lane longer to get more of a level advantage
didn't get a chance to read all of the previous comments prior to my last - i check out tomorrow and thx for the feedback.
So, I'm going to watch the replays from the games tonight and either yell at people some more, start a conversation, or admit I was an asshole. Wait and see the exciting pacov conclusion. Prob won't get to watch until after work tomorrow.
anyway, thanks for the in house games. short summary from the pacov pov is that i lost all games tonight. 2 likely due to awful pacov performance and 1 (Currently my opinion) due to bad calls and poor communication. Anyway, you can, but don't need to respond to that. I honestly can't defend my stance in any way until I get chance to watch the vids. Night and thx again for the games.
@pacov i think quinn is amazing when played with a support who knows how to play with the said summoner... every game i've played with a quinn I knew we rocked shit, and when it was a random summoner the game blew to shit... I think it's hit-or miss based on that, but I think she's a great champ (easiest win lane ever quinn + zil... just saying bomb combo on the dash is insane)
I personally don't like playing with peter because I hate the blame game. That's that plain and simple. Winning with peter I find fun, but losing with peter and it's basically Jona 2.0
It was league of dumptrucks tonight!
First game of night... please tell me I'm beautiful.
Ughhhhhh I am getting that damping shit like you did pacov.... 4 points for winning twice in a row. Fuck Riot.
yeah - I actually forgot that pete used to insta mute you, karl. I did not know that he would go right back to that. One can only influence pete so much. I agree, though - someone with at least 10% influence should be with him if possible.
hmmm - that's a little saddening. I mean, I get it. I guess my tolerance level is a little higher currently. I think that's because I realize from the get-go that peter will be complaining about something if things don't go well for him (and even if they do sometimes)... and that most of those complaints will be utterly asinine. I don't really want to get to a place where I can't invite him do to the "I don't want to play with pete" stuff, but it looks like we are heading that way before too long. sigh pants.
That's what I was thinking was the plan (eg play more quinn now as she's getting some nice buffs soon). I still think current quinn is rot, but hey, if you enjoy, then cool.
That was nice. Also never, ever seeing trouser bot lane was swell for us also, eh.
That sounds pretty accurate.
you are a handsome lady.
You are now among the proud elite that want to punch their screen as they eventually get 1 lp per game during their 25 game win streak. Anyway, just stick with it - should go back to normal after you promote. Where are you at now, cow, for rank? gold wut?
I was gold I, I took my monthish long break from league and was demoted during that time. Came back won like 7/8 games got back into gold I now its like HURRRRRRRR DURRRRRRRRRR WE GIVE YOU NO POINTS.......
oh - so you hit gold 1 and even at lower tiers you are getting a really low amount of points? Eg you need 100/100 points to get to your qualifier. Are you like 70/100 and getting really low or towards the bottom really low? I've never experienced it where I'm just getting into a tier and I'm getting crap for points. That only happened when I was in silver 1 going to gold V when I hit around 80 lp.
Also, just fyi - elo decay happens at 28 days if I'm remember it right. As long as you get a game in every 28 or so, you shouldn't get knocked down.
thunder and I were duoing last night and he got 25/per and i was getting 28/per... idk if it's time or games played... as I know thunder has played quite a bit, but I've only gotten like 26 games in so far.
EDIT: We were quite the comeback kings last night fyi
I only have like 20 something points right now :/...... OH WELL
oh my god I was such a douche last night... I just listened to some of the audio from the game where dax and I were top.... so fucking bitchy and douchey and about 95% of that bitching was without cause. My apologies to dax in particular. You were doing a fine job of support. I was just much, much, much, much, much better about complaining... all fucking game. Quite shitty and embarrassing in hind sight. Embarrassing enough that I dropped the vid completely. Anyway, sorry to all that had to put up with my broken record, nonsensical bitching.
I'm wondering if they just slam your mmr when you go inactive for 30 days or what. It could be that they just make it really difficult to climb out of gold. I guess that makes some sense. I know I felt more accomplished when I had to bust my ass to get from silver I to gold V.
Re: "oh my god I was such a douche last night..."
Don't worry, I don't think Dax took it personal at all. And if he did and found your in game criticism hurtful, we'll just have him lane with Jona so he knows that obnoxious micro management can be 1000 times worse.
Seriously though, mark this down as a personality conflict for in house games: "Thunder will not ever ever lane with Jona. Ever." I don't know if anyone else has ever had the pleasure of being the man's support, but it is terrible. He has a non stop barrage of instructions that really take me out of my game, and I don't enjoy it at all.
Maybe take a lesson from ol' Jona: Reminders, suggestions, and guidance can be really helpful and appreciated... but if you take it too far it can be extremely distracting, not only on the person you're talking to but yourself. That time you were giving Dax a warding lesson and nearly died from Peter's Space AIDS would be a prime example from that game. Sometimes it's better to just adapt to someone not playing ideally than try and change the way they're playing in game right?
Edit: I'm posting a link of a "re-enactment clip" to help people understand how stressful laning with Jona is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keDrmiomwa8
STOP MAKING ME TRY TO REMEMBER THINGS!!!!
Anyway, its just some tricky shit. I generally don't have a problem with jona because I've known the guy for awhile and I know what to expect with him. Dude's gonna bitch some here and there. Honestly, the only thing I dislike about playing with him from time to time is that he's rubbed more than a few of my pals the wrong way... so I'll see like 2 of you online and know I can't invite ya. jona will bust my balls and I'll bust his, but he's generally pretty solid when we play. I do understand why some folks don't want to play with him though. re:dax - the thing is he shouldn't have heard any bitching at all - he was doing fine.
I'm fine, just playin with buds on my smurf for the time being.
I really want criticism so I can improve, but I'm not sure when the criticism should be taken seriously... :[
I will master this Twisted Fate if it kills me.
we are playing in house 5v5 in a min
http://www.twitch.tv/1pacov1
Well, many fun games last night. Happy I managed to avoid being an arse for a whole night at any rate. Nothing but losses for me. Really glad I've been starting out the night getting my 1st win of the day quickly. Anyway, I think the new patch will likely happen next week based on what I've seen on pbe. The new champ is a ton of fun.
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