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Well, I started a thread back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike. I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc. Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.
Super fast background: I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust. Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me. In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards.
Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:
New Player tips
Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends
pacov's misc info
Here's a guide I made
pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo
k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts. I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so). We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not. Caveat complete.
Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role. You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not). You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2). In my case, I'm good at support and adc. I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops. Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important. If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know... Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it. I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.
Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles. Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby. Say "adc pref." Do this as soon as you hit the lobby. Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it. This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request. If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref." In my experience, you generally do not want to call support. It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible. If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you. If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win. You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.
Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo. If you solo, you have to rely on yourself. IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo. Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good? That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit. The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3. If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect. When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles. Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works. Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles. Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker. For example, Bryff is a good mid. If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered. In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing. Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game. Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support. If you want that, you can usually get it.
How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do. And this is really what I do on a regular basis. I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at. For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads. So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw. I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ). Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI. Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc. Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out. Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself. So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots). If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game. Then, do your best. Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role. And keep in mind what you need to work on. For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth. That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid. The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team. So, best to be ready for it. Put your time in and practice roles.
One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked. 1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want. Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT. 2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support. It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc. I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL. People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.
Lol King profiles for ranked tracking
I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them). Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time.
Snapshot updated 05/28/2014
Character guides
It's nothing really exciting...
Another Leona win with me stealing all the kills. Pacov sends me messages that are helpful, unfortunately, I'm not sure how much I am putting them into practice...
Getting ganked with any support can lead to a death. But given I can be way back while poking does give me some space to run. AGAIN not saying this is a smart choice to play but it was fun zoning the other team well.
As for Rengar support...i feel its just a wish washy as say my Xerath support...get ganked your dead.
psssh
at least you can bush hop into the tower to die at your own choosing
off to bed in a moment - didn't read any recent comments, but I'll catch up tomorrow. Quick side note - I'm interested in hearing more about everyone that interacts on this threads pov. By that, I mean, how did the night go? Where you playing serious and trying something out? If so, how'd that go, etc. Anyway, I'm interested in hearing about that - honestly, mostly just trying to see if folks are like minded and how they handle this and that.
moving on - summary of the night. did normals. I saw dax was around and waited for him to get out of a games. Then I did some group normals and tried to help him improve support as its at least my impression that he wants to get better in ranked and he seems to prefer that role. Summary of his leona skill - still way too wishy-washy. leona needs to be more decisive. I watched him play 1 game and he was really indecisive about when to go in. That experience comes over time. The main question is this - what happens if I initiate. Where is my adc? Where are they? Who did I go in on. The most important question is what happens to my adc if I go in now. Will he get cc'd and die? And so on. Anyway, I still say go taric and expand from there. Best supports atm imo taric/lulu/thresh/anyone else. Leona is amazing for the team if you win in laning. So so if you do not (but she still brings amazing cc to the team). Anyway, I went over where to ward, talked about how her passive worked, talked about always coming back to lane with the formula wards > items for you (eg if you didn't quite get sightstone and now decided to come back to lane without wards, you are an ass - you come back with wards - PERIOD). Anyway, I'm not sure what he picked up, but I do have a knack for drilling concepts into peoples heads. So, if you want to do better as support, hopefully you picked up some stuff.
Anyway, we did some normals tonight. Most games I didn't enjoy, but I got to work on some champs I don't play a ton, so I got some good experience out of it and got to work on dax a bit for how he should support with this and that. Played 1 ranked game with jona. He wanted to duo bot and called it, but we ended up with a POS adc that doesn't play adc, but decided now was the time to start, so I duo'd with that pos. Jona went mid, which was fine. Our jungler did not do so fine (vi visiting bottom never for instance and going all in after we get a free dragon but could not win a fight). Anyway, I end the night 0/1 in my promo series. I'd like to hit the next tier, but don't really care. I actually really want to spend some time solo queuing. Tonight was a bunch of arse whoopings for me, so I'm actually feeling like I must be under performing even though that might not be the case. Looking to prove I belong where I am. Kind of happy that I feel like I'm working more, but seriously - the last ranked game was just like a low elo game. Dumb decisions resulting in domination.
edit - and hopefully you don't take any offense at anything I'm saying here dax. I wouldn't think you would, but no offense intended. Night!
a wild pacov vanishes a bit - starcraft 2 expansion is live. Downloading now. Didn't even realize is was out. Anyway, I don't get into the MP, but I love the SP. fyi in case folks were oblivious like me and dig the game.
I realize that constant pushy drilling is the way you teach people. I'm fine with that, but I must recommend that you do not teach children's schools.
Also, critique is always welcome. In all honesty, that's what I wanted from people when I started League, but all I ever got was just obnoxious "stop dying" and "hit the creeps you moron!"
thanks!
If you really want to hear it...of yesterday
Game 1, ranked comeback win kass mid
game 2 ranked loss taric winning lane but unskilled top combined with malphite and lee sin diving adc np
game 3 dominion loss with panth afk whole time
today
game 1 ranked forced to top. pick singed and go against yorick. Manage to not get completely shut out. loss.
game 2 ranked theres a duo bot. I go mid. other team picks talon first. Grr. go karthus because it's slightly better than kassadin, and I don't own any counters. loss
game 3 ranked another afk jungler. am support. loss
game 4 ranked taric with draven vs nunu cait. we lose lane. so does top. loss. gg
this is why I hate soloing. 5 losses in a row. I suck. I'm gonna try to get demoted again, going adc next game.
I'll be streaming some of the starcraft 2 expansion story mode for a bit - live in a few min for anyone that is interested. Firing it up for the first time.
http://www.twitch.tv/1pacov1
Aw man I won the game, now I won't get demoted
2 things - sc2 won't stream proper, so oh well there. im on my alt account w bryff. changing to normal acct after this game.
So out of the last 8 ranked games, I have lost 7. 2 of them had an afk or dc. I suck more.
Summary of nerdy gaming for yesterday - started playing starcraft 2: the heart of the swarm. I'm digging it - I only play SP though. Campaign is fun - stupid easy on normal difficulty so far. CGI cut scenes and story are both good. Really well done. Some of the in game (using game engine) cut scenes are kind of lame, but its still fun overall.
Played some on my level 30 alt account that I have not touched in months. Crushed in a normal, then played 2 ranked w/ bryff and lost them both. Then switched over to my normal account and played 2 ranked with hunny and lost them both. Not overly upset about the losses and really don't care that much about my alt account. Hoping to use that to play with lower ranked buddies so they don't have to go up against gold level players anyway.
Bryff and I have been doing Normals together.
Game 1:Bryff - Caitlyn, myself - Thresh
loss, I manage to help Bryff get some kills early on, and we kind of zoned the enemy varus/taric, but their obnoxiously fed Olaf steamrolls all of us.
Game 2: Bryff - Caitlyn, myself- Thresh
win
I play more passively this time, and that causes us massive grief as Vayne/Lux get farmed up. We trade back and forth quite a lot, and lose most of our teamfights because of Vayne. However we manage to lock her down, and our full-build Garen kills the entire enemy team. Bryff did quite well as Caitlyn, managing to cs aggressively and to not die much in spite of their many initiators.
if you count 10 deaths as not much then yeah
Game 3: Bryff - Caitlyn myself - Thresh
this time it was Vayne/blitzcrank bot, and Bryff slaughtered all of them. Way to go Bryff!
EDIT-
Played 2 ranked game with Bryff
Game 1: Bryff- Caitlyn, myself-Leona
Had some awful plays, had our jungler feed a lot, and I missed a ton of crap. Still trying to use ult and then E... No success..
LOSS
Game 2: Bryff- Caitlyn, myself-Thresh
Amazing game, came from way behind, and Bryff got several triple kills in rapid succession. Their overfarmed Graves and superfed Ahri couldn't keep up with our team...
WIN
EDIT 2: I'm feeling much more confident with Bryff as a laning partner than I have with pacov... Dunno if it's because he isn't yelling at me the whole time or what...
Sorry pacov...
Doesn't bother me at all and glad you are falling into a rhythm. Keep duo queuing and see how far you can go!
I had plans tonight so I'm just going to play a little sc2 and then head off to bed. Catch you folks tomorrow.
off to bed he says... 2:30am... now off to bed..
Anyone on the verge of moving up a league or division atm? I think I'm like in the mid of gold V atm after the losses the other night with hunny. I'm still trying to decide if I'm going to put some time into my alt account and dick around or just stick with my main and try to flow through gold. Not quite sure what I want to do. I actually enjoy grinding out IP in a sad way... and there are so many things I need on that alt account. But I also have everything on my primary. Ah well - the silly nerd decisions of pacov. Anyway, I'm 0/2 in placement matches on my alt and do not give a crap. I also don't care entirely much about my gold account atm as I can't be demoted and am not in a placement match. Pretty sure I can't afford to dick around too much on my main account as my mmr might eventually drop and then I'll be stuck with the awfuls that made it to gold or were carried there and can never move up. Methinks that would make for some frustrating games the likes of silver V.
Also, I really, really, really am enjoying the sc2 expansion. Too much as I was up way too late. I saw rawr online in sc2 with soccer, so I'd wager he'll be away from LoL for quite some time while he gets into that. I'm not going to get in sc2 MP as I mentioned - just don't care for it much; certainly not at all compared to LoL. That said, I highly recommend if you like sc and enjoy the story. It's fun and really well done imo. I really like how they are doing the upgrades and moving the story along. You get to upgrade (evolve) your creatures and you can change their upgrades every map... then there are perm upgrades that you can pick 1 time only... and last, you can upgrade QoB as you level her up with different abilities that you can change before missions. A good amount of customization that makes each mission more fun.
Anyway, I'll likely do a mix of sc2 and LoL tonight. Hopefully catch some of you.
I was online with Soccer last night in SC2 not rawrrr
doh - you bastards that change your names across games. >< ah well.
Well, I'm 28 now.. slowly creeping my way up to 30 with a game or 3 each night.
I play with 2 others on a regular basis and based on some feedback here I proposed that we start playing draft games as opposed to blind pick.
We decided to do that... then we realized that we would probably need another role or 2 under each belt in order to not get griefed/reported.
So last night I dusted off Taric and put my initial horrible experiences behind me. I reminded myself that he is not a mega damage carry and that I need to play smarter. I focused on staying near my partner - heading off threats - stunning as able - building tanky. It was a much better time. I actually had fun while playing and am looking forward to more. I have been working on warding in general as well.
Now I've got a competent Caitlyn or Draven for ADC. I have one support under my belt in Taric - he also seems to build into a good tank. I have basic jungling skills with Skarner or Nocturne. I am not sure who I would play at mid - or even top at this point - as I have not gone there.
My other champs that I have experience with are Ashe, Nunu, Katarina, Akali, Malphite, Yi... I've played others but not enough yet to mention.
I need to force myself to expand. Many times I think about taking a different champ.. but then my mouse clicks on Draven anyway....
In other gaming news: I picked up the beta of a Greenlight game called Sang Froid. It's centered around a small village in Southern Canada in the mid 1800's. You play as one of 2 brothers living near the town as they are beseiged by the Devil's minions: wolves, werewolves and more. During the day you plan your defenses on a map by placing traps, bait, distractions, etc. At night you enter a 3rd person view and assist your defenses by setting some off, cleaning up wounded enemies, fighting others that got through your plan... it's a hybrid tower defense/rpg/3rd person action game. I'm enjoying the game so far. There is a lot of detail that has been packed in. A lot of little mechanics that work very well together. There is a nice gameplay trailer on the Steam Greenlight page.
You will need to be able to play at least 1 more support at a competent level before you should play ranked (I know you are only lv 28 - just sayin). Taric is picked almost every game so you might not be able to play him. I'd recommend picking up lulu if you have the IP for it as she's the number 2 support imo. Barring that, janna, sona, or thresh would do (I THINK janna/sona are cheaper).
Crapload of stuff posted to the PBE...
Karma
ZAC
Howling Abyss and ARAM matchmaking
quite impressive...
hmmmmm
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3227822
more info on abyss
So I go kassadin in a ranked game. End up 15/5. We lose because we suck at team fights. Bah
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