Sam Biddle at Gizmodo reports (and confirmed by the Arizona Police) that lulzSec has hacked Arizona Law Enforcement because of Arizona's "racial profiling anti-immigrant police state that is Arizona".
The newest data reveal "hundreds of private intelligence bulletins, training manuals, personal email correspondence, names, phone numbers, addresses and passwords belonging to Arizona law enforcement."
“The release, entitled "Chinga La Migra" (F**k the Border Patrol) is the first time LulzSec's purported to release personal information of government agents, rather than just disrupting their websites (see: CIA, US Senate). This is a powerful move. Home addresses are home addresses—about as personal as personal data gets. LulzSec's also clearly placed a political motive behind this thrust, as opposed to the HACK HACK LMAO ethos we've seen before.” – Gizmodo
lulzSec states:
“Every week we plan on releasing more classified documents and embarassing {can’t even spell!} personal details of military and law enforcement in an effort not just to reveal their racist and corrupt nature but to purposefully sabotage their efforts to terrorize communities fighting an unjust "war on drugs".”
I don’t like illegal border crossings. I also don’t like the fact that police who have to interact with various communities in (hopefully) constructive and non-confrontational ways having the impossible onus of illegal alien hunting put on them. The Police don’t like it either. It’s dangerous, and it’s antithetical to integrating LEGAL immigrants and their families into the community.
What I dislike the most is the tactic of releasing classified training and tactical information. This endangers the people who stand between us and criminals of all stripe. That is unjustified.
Worse: Revealing their home addresses puts their families in danger from every sort of criminal, socio- and psychopath.
No amount of rationalization justifies this. Period.
Ultimately, what lulzSec did here is illegal and immoral.
Should any harm come to the people who defend us and/or their families and property, I hope they are identified, captured and punished to the fullest extent of the law.
If one enters into discussion around or states points to a discussion the expected response from anyone would be to receive "counter arguments" / points with which to continue discussion. A courtesy which was afforded to you in my reply (reply #37). While it of course is entirely your choice to respond effectively or not, simply saying "we don't agree" is not that (an effective response) and is most certainly not one that could encourage further discussion.
If encouraging further discussion was not your agenda then your intial point-form post (the one I replied to) wasn't much more than a "statement" which seems counter-intuitive when seemingly opening a thread for the purposes of discussion.
You want me to accept your "we don't agree", sure I can accept that for what it is. A non-response to my valid counter points. Leave it at that? Done.
My choice of not responding to you is neither an acknowlegement of your statements' validity nor non-validity.
It means I do not wish to discuss further anything with you.
Just read a report that lulzSec has folded its tent. It's reported to be a group of 6 individuals, one of whom has made some sort of public statement. I suspect the heat was getting pretty intense.
As long as I'm here, what does the false meme that anyone but Richard Armitage 'outed' Valerie Plame have to do with anything?
Friends around the globe, We are Lulz Security, and this is our final release, as today marks something meaningful to us. 50 days ago, we set sail with our humble ship on an uneasy and brutal ocean: the Internet. The hate machine, the love machine, the machine powered by many machines. We are all part of it, helping it grow, and helping it grow on us. For the past 50 days we've been disrupting and exposing corporations, governments, often the general population itself, and quite possibly everything in between, just because we could. All to selflessly entertain others - vanity, fame, recognition, all of these things are shadowed by our desire for that which we all love. The raw, uninterrupted, chaotic thrill of entertainment and anarchy. It's what we all crave, even the seemingly lifeless politicians and emotionless, middle-aged self-titled failures. You are not failures. You have not blown away. You can get what you want and you are worth having it, believe in yourself.
I never did hear about that. Thanks for the update. No matter, same result, absolutely nothin'.
All I wanted to do was show the people calling for vigilante justice in this thread how it sounds when you put the same rules or standards to there leaders. So this guy made the leak, should we lobotomize, slit nostrils, execute and hang his goonies and scalp on the wall? I for one am damn glad their only power is yaking in this forum.
I remember another one of Docs threads where someone posted an article about some evil doer and also recommended vigilante justice and someone else had a royal freak out. Is that not what hypocrite means?
EDIT:
Here are a few things why this thread misses the mark.
DrJBHL seeks to dehumanize these hackers with little to no information about who they actually are. The intensity at which he writes about this reminds me of the "god wills it!" mantra of the priests shouting on the troops during the crusades. Religious zeal is bad for the mind, shame on you for intentionally trying to sway public opinion DrJBHL. Anyone who dehumanizes another living human being isn't worth listening to. You would be amazed at what a little empathy can do for people, even the "worst" among us instead of spreading your hate.
The irony would be that if one of these hackers was in fact someone that he was close to, I think he would eat his words, but then it is easy to have little empathy for someone you think you do not know. After all, you are only a few people removed from almost every human being on the planet.
The real meat of the discussion: the purpose of law and why the revealed immigration officials have to worry.
Quite simply, the practice of law is to allow redress of grievances in such a manner to assuage the murderous/harmful intentions of the harmed party. Experiencing murderous emotions isn't beyond the scope of any human being to experience, no matter how much you might delude yourself into believing that you could never truly kill anyone.
Now, our immigration laws have little to no justice and are quite harsh, and so we get as a retaliation groups of people who create the counter force to this poor legislation and legal culture. The bias that there is a "side" and that we are on one "side" and that there is a "they" who are despicable and on the opposing "side" is utter baloney. There is no side, there are humans with human problems.
The border already is a warzone, this give an opportunity for people who have serious grievances with the migration officials the chance to mete out their own justice. This is the natural breakdown when law is not working for the good of the people. The question to ask, since uncle sam has some very smart people running this country, is why are the laws set in place to NOT allow people a redress of their grievances in the first place?
Support for criminals is only that.
No, Daiwa... The libel of the late Richard Armitage has nothing to do with this thread. It's just an effort by conspiracy types to troll or to sound "in the know".
However, as predicted: They po'd all the wrong folks. They're on the run, one probably caught. The rest of them will be as well.
sareth01:
Incidentally, they haven't been "dehumanized". They are still human and no one doubts that, but they are criminal scum. They have performed illegal acts for whatever reason. They have endangered people's lives for who knows how long a period to come. You don't like that? Too bad.
I don't like being compared to Templars who murdered my people, and I won't tolerate it.
Ah, "To understand is to forgive." Not my place to forgive them. My life and well being was not directly endangered by their actions. I wonder if your life (or your family's) were so endangered how understanding and forgiving you'd be. Society (and participating in it) requires less tolerance for those who would seek or allow harm to come to those who protect us. Too bad you don't extend your "understanding" to those officers (and their families) who are now endangered by the violent drug cartels.
As for myfist0, trolling will not be tolerated either.
On a happier note:
http://gizmodo.com/5815546/lulzsec-calls-it-quits
The criminals cut and run... but, I hope the tether is short.
Ah hah. The 1st time in over 10 years of posting on forums I finally been called a troll. I finally looked it up as it references the internet, ROFL. While I do not agree with the statement I still think that is better than being part of the mob carrying pitchforks and torches.
Ok ok, you got me. Obviously I am a libelous beast here for stating
Lock me up in a rubber room and stamp me insane. Hehehaha
In 1 post and you managed conspiracy nut, defamer and a troll. When shall I expect the mob at my door? Do others agree with Docs assessment?
I think that Bush said it best, "you're either with us or against us". it would appear that some believe that if you have a divergent or opposite opinion/view that you are a degenerate individual with no redeemable worth.
Not so. Has nothing to do with opinion. Has to do with actions. A criminal act which (no matter how intended) results in the endangerment of others and their families by violent drug gangs (among others) is and should be regarded as severely as possible, which is what's happening/will happen to them. In this case, their 'redeemability', 'worth', etc. was not discussed. I referred to them as 'criminal scum' because of the aforementioned act.
You're perfectly free to disagree with me, each other or anyone. How you do it is different.
Well one thing I can not understand is why the government is allowing that web site of theirs to stay online. I would have thought it would have been taken down within hours!
As far as the comment made earlier about "dehumanizing them", let me just say that these people are not even human to begin with, they are total and undeniable scum of the earth that deserve to be literally shot on site! I hope that if they do not get caught that they suffer a life of total misery, because they deserve it as does every other criminal scum on this planet. They had no right to do what they did, none whatsoever! Putting sensitive government information, peoples financial accounts and personal information, company information and especially information that could cause other people their lives or the lives of their family is beyond criminal, and I hope they truly suffer for it. I would absolutely love to be there and see their faces when they get caught! Do they really think that ending what they are doing is going to stop them from being caught? If so then they are not only low life scum, they are stupid low life scum just like that other idiot over at that stupid WikiLeaks, Julian Assange. I hope he rots in hell too.
Dehumanizing them, hah! What a laugh!
Rant for the day all done....
... and I totally agree with Doc's philosophy on this, there is right and there is wrong, there is no "what if".
Honestly:
What have they done that is even redeeming in any degree to balance what they did in revealing police officers pictures, names, addresses and telephone numbers? That was an open invitation to the drug lords to kill them and/or their families.
That alone put them beyond the pale.
And the why of all this? "Because we're pissed off at Sony and Sega". Computer games?
"Because we don't like Arizona's laws." So, the police passed the law? So that gives you the right to endanger lives and property? No. It does not. Ever. Period. There can be no argument about that, and at that point it is a "You're law abiding or not".
This, and my thoughts about, it have nothing to do with former President G.W. Bush.
Then they wanted to boast: "Look how smart and cool we are! We can hack our way into anywhere and get even with you!". So they took on the CIA, the FBI, Scotland Yard, and others. lol. Those arrogant punks.
Well, now (possibly) one of them is in custody, and the rest will fall as well. Their need to break the law and boast did them in, and now they're running scared. Good. After their "15 minutes" they will shrink once again into invisibility and insignificance.
Unfortunately, the police officers and their families who did nothing wrong (nor did the legislators/Governor of AZ - they only did their job as they saw it) now have to live in fear. Why? Because a punk and his buddies could write script and do a simple SQL injection?
That's WAY wrong. From every angle. It's criminal, and only scum would do such a thing. And THAT is indefensible and inexcusable.
I've noticed that you tend to react very emotionally to these sorts of events. I'm also starting to suspect that your emotional reactions have some pretty big blind spots, but that's not the main point. The issue is that this sort of hot-under-the-collar rhetoric has a tendency to inflame others and suppress more reasoned debate. I for one prefer to avoid getting angry- anger causes us to act rashly, and that seldom ends well. In fact, it causes us to act a lot like them.
How sweet it is:
http://www.neowin.net/news/the-real-reason-lulzsec-called-it-quits-they-were-exposed
The exposers exposed. Petard, goose gander, all that.
Oh, you see that's what I don't like about these discussions, you always are asked to choose what side you are on. Why can't we just be onlookers?
I think hacking into someone's computer or network, while not only illegal, is just downright wrong. This group showed no matter how much you think your information is secure, it is not.
Hacking these systems was illegal and it did provide the users with helpful information on where their system's security is lacking. Leaking personal information obtained through that hacking is downright wrong and malicious. They need to be punished.
I don't recall threads about the China/N. Korea hacking incidents or the Russian Mob cyber crime incidents. Anyhow, seems this group of teenagers, operating out of their parent's basements, should be castrated and then, for good measure, drawn and quartered. Seems like a pretty vile punishment, Hitler was vile... hmm...
Is it necessary to take the high road, all the time?
I'd be quite content to sit back and let the hackers and homeland boys fight each other until there's nothing left, but unfortunately the very reason why I don't like them is because every time they do something they catch up a whole load of innocent bystanders.
Hmmm, aren't bystanders the ones that allow things to happen, so they really can't be all that innocent or am I mistaken. I'm thinking the late 30's and Germany.
While you're right in your context, Philly - I think Scoutdog was thinking of the 84,000 (correct number?) of websites which were incorrectly shut down by Homeland Security in an action against Piracy: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/27/technology/27torrent.html
In an ideal society, no man is an island (J. Donne) is what Philly's referring to.
Actually I was thinking back to my father, all he had to do is look at me and say 'Okay, what did you do?'.
Posting things like a few of you have about killing them (or even wishing them dead), celebrating when their scalps are hanging somewhere etc. etc. just perpetuates this cycle and I find that is the real travesty here.
Someone posted that he/she believes there is only right and wrong. To me there is only love and hate. Those types of comments are not love, they are hate and you know what hate does? It breeds more hate. You may celebrate "victory" today or sometime in the future, but you WILL see this sort of thing happen again and again as long as hate is the overbearing reaction to actions like this.
Love in this case would be to seek to punish/redirect the lives of those individuals in the manner a good parent does. We chastise our children and then we modify their behaviour (even if they've cost us tons of money or physical harm) because we love them. Who's to say these individuals can't be convinced to help those security specialists who (especially now) have their hands full trying to understand what/how this has happened. Most often when children "act out" it's because they are bored and attention-seeking, some adults deal with life in the same manner. Give a person's life real meaning and even the most "worthless scum of the earth" human has a potential purpose.
Go ahead (the some of you) and hate away. Just know by doing so (commenting in the manner you are) you are helping to breed the next generation of cyber-warriors. Of course it's not like those of you posting things like that would think for one second to take resposibility for same. That would be just too much like wanting to really solve this problem.
@ Philly: Huh???
Assumes two facts not in evidence, so who's perpetuating what 'cycle', as you put it?
I suppose things have changed. When I grew up, and it has been awhile, we didn't look to others to give meaning to our life, that came from within each of us.
Now for a purpose, it was to be there when our parents called for us and we had better not take our time getting there.
I know, I'm a confused as much as anyone else.
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