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Reply #176 June 25, 2011 8:50:07 PM
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U talking about 25 min or something else? 25 min is not important to me. What do u folks think about the intermission idea I mentioned?
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Reply #177 June 26, 2011 2:34:54 AM
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version 0.26.49
- changed desire for flag locks to increase at wr3 instead of wr4
- adjusted AA ub build so that it will never choose mana items (unbreakable is still acceptable, though)
- implemented the "siesta."  At warrank 4, any ai (not the high gold AI), will return to base to shop as long as they have 1500 gold.  Then, towards the end of wr4, the AI that is the highgold AI will shop alone. 

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Please provide feedback (after playing) on the "siesta"

 

pacov notes - I'm thinking of changing the way all AI's choose their item builds.  Right now, its pretty convoluted.  The code checks AIGlobals first for item priorities.  Then it compares that info to what is located in the AI blueprints for each build.  This is well and good (and workable), but you pretty much MUST have a tracking worksheet of some sort to follow all of the build priorities to ensure that what you want is bought when money is available.  That said, I'm thinking of changing how things work today at bit organizationally.  I'm thinking that I will ZERO out all of the priorities in AIGlobals - with the exception of conditional logic (eg set priority high for sigils at WR X and if HP > X).  Anything with conditional logic will still be housed in AI globals.  But everything else in a dg's item build will be housed in the individual dg's blueprint (and I'll add comments to indicate the conditional statements that are housed in aiglobals to the dg's blueprint).  If I go this way, then the item builds become crystal clear and should make modding VERY SIMPLE going forward to tweak builds.  The downside is that I will have to take the time to code EVERY dg's item kit before I could implement this. 

Other thoughts... I'm pretty sure what I just suggested would make for TERRIBLE AI if a human drops and the AI takes over.  It would have no build name to reference (unless its possible to create a catchall in the blueprint - not sure)... which could result in the AI not purchasing any items as AI globals would be zeroed.  I should create a quick test build for like 1 dg and get one other person to test with me (and then quit the game to see how the ai responds). 

Ways around the possible dropped human scenario.  Start by zeroing out AI globals.  Then use oh so very small priority increments to establish generic ai builds.  So, a 1 priority for scalemail, a 2 for banded/scaled helm, a 3... and so on.  Then just make sure all of the values in the blueprint are higher than that.  That would cover all of the bases I think.  Still, a bit of work, but it would make it very easy to see what is going on. 

 

 

MIRI - I spent some time poking around in the flag lock code and did a wee bit of testing (no success though... but I only putzed around for like 10 min).  The code is in catpureactions.  Anyway, there are 2 bits here - peppe's emergency TP and lock or just run and lock code for portals/valor >= wr8.  And logic that sets those 2 flags as a priority.  My end goal is to write code that supports the siesta I've created (see somewhere in the 1000's in herogoap in the latest version - just search 0.26.49) so that the AI's will lock the flags before they head back to base.  And I'm also looking to SUBSTANTIALLY increase how often the AI will lock flags if its down in WS.  Honestly, I do not care if they just stand on the flag after locking (though that is crap).  If the AI is down by 400 and > in ws, I want them locking any of the middle row of flags on cata with a passion.  Anyway, I'm going to dig into this code sometime soon, but I have no complaints at all if you can take a look and assist.  I actually don't have a problem with mirroring some of peppe's code to TP in and lock if they are down in ws as well. 

And last... random thing I was looking into.  The interrupt code seems like it was designed to stop someone with an int if they used a skill that could be int.  That said, it actually seems like the AI will WAIT until after an action is finished before trying to interrupt.  I've seen this numerous times tonight.  I could be up against an oak or an erb that has their stun/int ready.  I start a hammerslam and then almost immediately after (w/ re: to a pent), the AI will hit me then.  I think something might be jacked with the int code.  Something to look into.

Also - need to DRASTICALLY tweak ub's desire to grab.  I can cover that easily enough... just need to get around to doing it.

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Reply #178 June 26, 2011 5:58:52 AM
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It´s a nice idea to have every build has it own item build. The UB AA build and the Sedna build could also use Nature's Reckoning. But, as you pointed out, it´s a lot of work.

So, it may be also a solution to implements builds only, that have use of the commom items usage. If the ability usage is improved it could be nice, i think, since the common combo Nimoth, Unbreakable, Vlemish, Plenor, banded (later hauberk or namoth) is useful for many builds?

I can´t test today or in the evening a little bit when I´m back home.

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Reply #179 June 26, 2011 1:44:10 PM
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Quoting OMG_pacov,
reply 178
I'm thinking that I will ZERO out all of the priorities in AIGlobals

Do not do this.  If you want to set them to low values, that's fine, but you want to make sure you have at least some priorities if nothing in the skill build is available.  If anything, a better system might be adding the skill build amounts to AIGlobals amounts (adding to 0 if the item isn't in the AIGlobals list), so that when doing skill build item priorities, you don't necessarily need to know what the AIGlobals levels are, and can get specific items a comparative boost.

This shouldn't be difficult, but it might require a restructuring of the priority assignment loop - I don't know offhand how that all works, so I'm just guessing.  If you have doubts about how to accomplish this, just ask.

 

Re: Interrupts, it's not that the AI is waiting, but simply that it isn't responsive enough to interrupt any <2s cast skills.  Its decisionmaking goes on ~0.5s intervals at best, and speeding that up would have serious negative performance consequences.  Without doing some really complex and invasive stuff like hooking the ability code to perform some kind of interrupt-trigger override on nearby hostile AIs (including adding support for that in the AI code, which would require knowing a lot more about the AI's decisionmaking loop than I do), there's no way to improve the AI's reactive interrupting.

 

Re: Flag locking, I'm not really sure how to accomplish this.  I'd have to do a lot more studying of how the AI chooses actions, how to control which action for a particular goal is chosen first, etc.  You could try to add a capture lock action to the MakeItemPurchases GoalSet with a friendly flag proximity check, but from what I know, you'd have little or no control over when it's chosen, and in all likelihood the AI would simply choose one of the standard shop actions first, and the lock action would never be used.

Edit: Did a little research, and I'm really drawing a blank.  I really wish that somewhere in the AI code, GPG had left just a general map of how the AI components interact and how the decision-making logic works.  Even a paragraph would have been helpful, and even really basic comments for each major function/loop in the AI to describe what it's for would have been fantastic.  One well-commented sensor and action blueprint with all options listed would have been amazing.  I can account for about 90% of it now, but some of the minute details (like non-disabled action priority/order within a goalset) are evading me.

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Reply #180 June 26, 2011 4:15:17 PM
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I think we are getting there. Yes I was talking about the 25 minutes game time, I almost made it. 

Think the intermission idea woulndt be noticed too much. Players would say its strange ai behaviour without noticing what is really happening, so do that. The ai will spent its money and will be harder to beat so do it.

 

Played 2v2 on nightmare and it was a good match. Not too hard. But since I play all random I am not sure if it was a bit of luck too. Usually the hard games were when you had a sucky partner (bad TB build for example). Since you made that better, which is good, you will not have those situations anymore. Still the opponent is better equiped (more money) and higher in level so it is hard to play. Good.

 

Tried to beat 2 hard ai alone but lost. All with version 48. But maybe I need to play different. Will try again sometime. 

 

If we could tie item purchase to builds it would be a huge step. Dont think that the drop out ai doesnt buy stuff anymore is such a huge problem because as long as its normal ai it wont make a difference anyways. If a dropped out player would be replaced by at least hard ai then we would have a problem. So even if it is a lot of work, I say you should go for it.

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Reply #181 June 26, 2011 4:36:44 PM
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Version 48

Hmm...  Played on crucible against AI and... Not sure if it's time to make AI better on other maps, but on it exactly, it is not good. Gets exp flag most of the time, cooldown flag quite often, but gold flag... Very rarely. You can get it, and AI might retake it only after ~5 minutes or later. First thing what AI does is going to exp flag and and going to attack the inner tower or you from that side, instead of taking flags down or attack outer towers...

AI also later takes valor flag, before taking towers out.

Another interesting thing.

Played on Crucible two times. First against 3 hard AI, which was quite challenging, but after ~1.5 hour won (no lags). Second time. Played against 3 nightmare AI. Not sure why, but game lagged nearly since the start... Sim speed was normal, but it lagged quite often. Not big slow lags, but often and short lags. Also, won in maybe ~1 hour, but might be the difference of demigods.

One more question. What about late game items of AI? Do they get anything good or stick with some, not so good for their builds, etc.

As for demigod strength late game overall. I think strong ones are: Beast, Rook, Oculus. Weak ones: Tb, reg, Queen - all easy to kill, they usually start using teleport when near death, but just interrupt, and they are dead. Others didn't encounter much yet to tell how powerful they are late game.

Ah, and - does AI somehow react to fake ports? Not sure if it was just coincidence, but still wondering...

 

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Reply #182 June 26, 2011 4:46:44 PM
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Quoting Darkliath,
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Hmm... Played on crucible against AI and... Not sure if it's time to make AI better on other maps, but on it exactly, it is not good.

I've heard many complaints about the AI on crucible.  That's mostly because its always been a cataract focus.  We could likely make crucible better, but its not going to be a focus for a bit.

One more question. What about late game items of AI? Do they get anything good or stick with some, not so good for their builds, etc.

Heh - you tell me.    I haven't optimized any build for artifacts yet.  Peppe did some initial coding on the mod for that, so whatever artifacts he weighed more heavily, the less likely it would be purchased.  The stardard, non artifact tuning is reasonably decent atm, though.  Always room for some tweaks, of course. 

not sure about the weird lag on crucible... there are less moving parts, so I'm not sure why there would be lag here. 

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Reply #183 June 26, 2011 4:47:07 PM
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someone plz give build 49 a chance if you are able today.  Thanks!

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Reply #184 June 26, 2011 6:20:19 PM
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So here's what I'm thinking - 0.26.49 includes quite a few enhancements since the last release from peppe.  I think we've made enough progress to include this version as part of the combined install package and start advertising the new version a bit.  I'll probably host a few overnight lobbies that advertise the updated mod package and then start hosting games that use the new AI mod (and then encourage folks to download it if they want to join me. 

That said, I need some play tests on build 49 to ensure that there are not any show stoppers atm. 

ah - re: the ai's performance on crucible... I just noticed that there is no logic coded for flag priorities on crucible.  Every other map has this coded, but for some reason it was excluded from crucible.  This would mean that the AI defaults to either some basic logic re: what flags to go after or ends up not giving a rip about flags.  I'll look into updating this.

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Reply #185 June 27, 2011 2:55:39 AM
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Concerning 0.26.49

Had the AI battle itself yesterday. UB & Sed  vs Rook & Erebus.

 

- Once again DGs where pinned at center flag: LE & Rook stood at the experience flag and Sed at the towers. This tie was for approximately 2 min.

- Sed shopped fine but UB, who bought curency, was behind with equipment (banded armor, scaled helm, sscalemail and nimoth armor until end of game)

- Erebus did not send monks to rook. Sed sent monk to me (also Sedna wathc idle) and not to UB. Is it possible to tell the AI to support assasins not players?

- Both teams hit WR8 almost at the same time. Both bought creeps and rush for the portal flag, ignoring their own was captured. I don´t argue about that, can maybe a good tactic. Just wanted to share the info.

- Sed teleported to UB who was attacking rook at the mana flag. Then both flee.

 

 

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Reply #186 June 27, 2011 7:26:47 AM
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Concerning 0.26.49

AI battle: 3 * UB vs 3 * Rook

- ooze_health UB bought boots of speed at the start and vial as a favor. Very low hp right from the start. Was funny because it also bought FS 1 and currency 1. ^^ No surprise, it was the first kill in the game.

- I saw 1 grasp the whole game. As a pattern spit+ooze, grasp, spit again could be a goal for AI behavior? Think human player do it that way.

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Reply #187 June 27, 2011 8:35:56 AM
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Quoting Plaguewraith,
reply 186
Concerning 0.26.49

Had the AI battle itself yesterday. UB & Sed vs Rook & Erebus.

Was the AI on hard?

- Once again DGs where pinned at center flag: LE & Rook stood at the experience flag and Sed at the towers. This tie was for approximately 2 min.

Anytime you note stuck AI behavior, can you site things like the current warscore?  I don't think any stuck AI issues are tied to high gold, etc, anymore, but I'd like to know for sure. 

- Erebus did not send monks to rook. Sed sent monk to me (also Sedna wathc idle) and not to UB. Is it possible to tell the AI to support assasins not players?

It is, but its still a lower priroity atm.  There are quite a few variables to consider. 

- Sed teleported to UB who was attacking rook at the mana flag. Then both flee.

Yeah - I've absolutely hated the way this works, but haven't looked into fixing it.  If you are going to TP in, do something ffs!

- ooze_health UB bought boots of speed at the start and vial as a favor. Very low hp right from the start. Was funny because it also bought FS 1 and currency 1. ^^ No surprise, it was the first kill in the game.

OK - I'm guessing this means that you are playing using normal ais.  I can perform little tweaks here and there so that this sort of thing doesn't happen, but my primary focus is on hard ai.

- I saw 1 grasp the whole game. As a pattern spit+ooze, grasp, spit again could be a goal for AI behavior? Think human player do it that way.

This is something I'm looking to visit sometime soon.  I agree that grasp is completely wasted.  Even if we don't improve it to a human's level of usage (spit/grasp - interupt grasp/aa/spit), it should be using that skill.  ESPECIALLY the aa ub.  Anyway, that's something I can change without too much of an issue, just need to get around to it. 

Thanks for testing!

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Reply #188 June 27, 2011 8:54:47 AM
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Tested a few games with 49 now. No show stoppers. Played a total random game 2v2 on nightmare with 49. Erb/Reg vs Oak/Reg. For comparison I played the exact same game with 35 again and I must say it doesnt feel much different. Slightly less kills in 35 but for toughness its about the same.

 

Noticed in 49 that a lot of times the ai goes past the first tower, hang around at cooldown flag for one second, then go for the portal to come back as soon as the wave comes out going again through both towers. Latest by that time I am there to collect the kill. It does that in 49 and 35 and it was way before warrank 8. I still claim that the ai was harder to kill in 35 though as I even missed one of these kills as I couldnt get the oak dead. That was low rank (6 I believe) though.

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Reply #189 June 27, 2011 10:25:57 AM
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Any minor fixes/changes requested before I go live with a version to be included in mod package?

So far, I'm just thinking small scale

  • Update ub build so that boots of speed are not the first item chosen on normal difficulty
  • Tweak ub so that grasp is used frequently

That's all I'm thinking atm.  If that's all I go with, then I'll just need some basic ub testing w re: to the grasp function before I can finalize.  I might start a new version number as well (instead of 0.26.XX, I'll bump to 0.27 - or maybe even move to version 1.00).

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Reply #190 June 27, 2011 10:52:08 AM
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Noticed in 49 that a lot of times the ai goes past the first tower, hang around at cooldown flag for one second, then go for the portal to come back as soon as the wave comes out going again through both towers.

yeah - this is why I wanted to leave the attack structure segment of the code enabled.  The ai is FAR more likely to try to take out a tower instead of taking a shot at a flag.  The behavior is coded exactly as it was in 35 - and the portal desire still goes up when either team hits ws 8.  HopefullY i get around to re-enabling that attack structure code and tweaking it so the AI will bugger off faster if any enemy dgs show up and they are pushing a tower). 

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Reply #191 June 27, 2011 11:22:57 AM
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Yes, every time it was normal difficulty with Uberfix 1.05 enabled. I can test all on hard if you want. Sorry for not mentioning it, I will do it in future posts.

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Reply #192 June 27, 2011 12:46:27 PM
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Yes, every time it was normal difficulty with Uberfix 1.05 enabled. I can test all on hard if you want. Sorry for not mentioning it, I will do it in future posts.

nah - that's ok.  Normal AI will get an updated build that doesn't get boots of speed first as a result of your test (later tonight).  I'm just gearing things towards hard AI.  Doesn't mean I can't tweak this or that so that normal AI doesn't start with silly equipment, though. 

Any amount of testing you folks want to do is great.  The only thing I'm trying to do is avoid making a release and then having to put out a new version immediately afterwards because I missed something that is game breaking. 

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Reply #193 June 27, 2011 3:35:56 PM
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Yes I did it. The test I talked about earlier 2v2 nightmare Erb/Reg vs Oak/Reg that I played with 49 and 35, I also played it with 39 and I must say 39 is NOT better. It was actually easier. The 39 version was a walk in the park. I had 7 kills and no death. That was like 2/1 with 35 and 4/1 with 49. Also in 39 they walked past the towers.

 

That said 49 is definately and improvement, there are ofc still things we could improve but that is probably always the case. Maybe fine tune some final builds and then release it.

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Reply #194 June 27, 2011 3:42:53 PM
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Maybe fine tune some final builds and then release it.

happy to hear any ideas.  I've got pretty much total control over what items the dgs will get and total control over ability selection.  If you can think of something that should be tweaked of if a particular item should be a higher priority for a specific dg, let me know.  I haven't really fine tuned any of the dg's item builds (just a little here and there).

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Reply #195 June 27, 2011 6:23:45 PM
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Thats actually a bit of work I think. First we need a list of DGs that are good (am thinking about QoT, TB) and some that are not good (UB). Then look at what they have and what they should have.

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Reply #196 June 27, 2011 8:40:25 PM
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I... uh... dont think anyone will be complaining about how much ub grasps anymore.    I'll prob a release tonight.

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Reply #197 June 27, 2011 8:51:56 PM
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I... uh... dont think anyone will be complaining about how much ub grasps anymore. 


He grasps now all the time, even when oom?

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Reply #198 June 27, 2011 9:26:17 PM
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Quoting OMG__IN1,
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even when oom?

especially then.

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Reply #199 June 27, 2011 9:35:40 PM
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OK miri - need to pick your brain.  In trying to sort ub's grasp (eg he never used it before i started sorting it), I came across a problem.

I can make him use the function just about every time its available (which is actually what I'm looking to do atm), but I'm having to force an error in the code to do this.  Sounds bad, of course.  If I do it "proper," I see a marginal improvement.  If I don't, then I get the desired function of spamming the ability over and over.  The reason seems to be some overhead with DamageCalculationFunction.  

I've done tests with it working as expected and commented out.  The code clearly requires it to exist (if its commented out, an error is thrown in the debugger), but the it appears as if the AI time required to perform the calculations results in the UB often choosing not to use the ability.  Anyway, I'm just going to copy the entire section of code from hepa01_aiactions.  Any thoughts?  And side note, I had to create a new function (included in code - I'm only going to copy the foul -grasp hero code and skip the squad).

Code: c++
  1. # ----------------------------
  2. # Foul Grasp - Hero
  3. # ----------------------------
  6. # 0.26.50 [MOD] Use new grasp function
  7. local AIUtils = import('/lua/sim/ai/aiutilities.lua')
  8. function myGraspStatusFunction (unit, action)
  9.   local result = false
  10.     if(AIAbility.DefaultStatusFunction(unit, action)) then
  11.          if unit:GetEnergy() > 300 then
  12.             result = true
  13.          else
  14.         end
  15.     end
  16.   return result
  17. end
  19. local AIUtils = import('/lua/sim/ai/aiutilities.lua')
  20. HeroAIActionTemplates['Foul Grasp - Hero'] = {
  21.     Name = 'Foul Grasp - Hero',
  22.     UnitId = 'hepa01',
  23.     Abilities = FoulGraspAbilities,
  24.     DisableActions = FoulGraspDisables,
  25.     GoalSets = {
  26.         All = true,
  27.     },
  29.     GoalWeights = {
  30. # 0.26.50 increased kilhero and health from -5 and -2 to -50 - test to get grasp to trigger more often   
  31.         KillHero = -500,
  32.         Health = -50,
  33.     },
  34.     UninterruptibleAction = true,
  35.     WeightTime = FoulGraspCastTime,   
  36.     ActionFunction = AIAbility.TargetedAttackHeroFunction,
  37.     ActionTimeout = 5,
  38.     DamageCalculationFunction = FoulGraspDamage,
  39.     CalculateWeights = AIAbility.TargetedAttackWeightsHero,
  40.     InstantStatusFunction = myGraspStatusFunction,
  42. }

 

 

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Reply #200 June 28, 2011 8:10:57 AM
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Quoting OMG_pacov,
reply 195

Quoting SLEDGE71, reply 194Maybe fine tune some final builds and then release it.

happy to hear any ideas.  I've got pretty much total control over what items the dgs will get and total control over ability selection.  If you can think of something that should be tweaked of if a particular item should be a higher priority for a specific dg, let me know.  I haven't really fine tuned any of the dg's item builds (just a little here and there).

 

I remember now, that AI Sedna should not use silence anymore. Or, if possible, only before teleporting out (where it would be really good I think). So, skip it (and invest on heal/pounce for example) or only use it, when Ai decides to port out.

Everything else seems to be a waste of mana to me.

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