Tophat - i hope you will not a wait with your turn till thursday - having two provinces and one small army without castle does not give you many option, really ...

i am sorry to say but not even diplomacy will help you much at this moment ... 

Those high fatigue spells are really designed to make use of communions or sabbaths (the blood-magic varient of communions). It's certainly possible to cast many of them without a communion by using gems and havin very high paths, but communions are generally the best bet, as they have a number of other useful effects.

Maverni, you honourless dog. We had a NAP-3, which I offered you instead of crushing you when I had the opportunity. How do you repay me? By violating our NAP and attacking me without warning? You are almost dead anyway -- and not by my hand -- so I shall not waste too many words on you. Know this, however: there is a place in the C'Tissian Hell which is so cold that ones testicles shrivel so tight that one cannot move, much less copulate with pretty lizard-ladies. This Hell is reserved for oathbreakers like yourself. I will make sure that, after you are gone your lands will host no Maverni orphans, remnants of your ridiculous army -- nay, any orphans we find shall feed the bellies of our hogs. They are not fit to feed actual C'Tissians, but the hogs will enjoy their traitorous flesh. Leave this world now, scum, and don't let the celestial gates of Inconnu's Palace hit your treasonous ass on the way out.

(On a less in-character note, seriously, WTF dude?)

NAP-3 is usually understood to mean that 3-turns notice must be given before attacking, not that it lasts for 3 turns (which I think is how you might have understood things).

For agreements, it is best to be as explicit as possible. Not everyone agrees how these things should be interpreted. An example:

Caelum has an NAP-3 with Arco. It is currently turn 25. Caelum decides to end the NAP-3. Does the 3 turns include turn 25 as the first turn? Is turn 26 the first turn? Can you issue attack orders on the third turn that will be executed on the fourth turn, or do you wait until the fourth turn to issue the orders? Depending on how it is interpreted, you could have a 3-turn difference on when it is okay to attack. That is why, when ending and NAP, it is good to explicitly say "attack orders can be given on turn X which will execute on turn X+1."

There can even be some disagreement on what constitutes an aggressive act. I think this is more of an issue if the official game rule is "NAP enforced" diplomacy.

Not true...you moved into an area i clearly said was in my sphere.

You spread like a plague irregardless of others,that is the game but don't claim and cry the innocent with me.

As regards not attacking,wrong you invaded provinces i was in and initiated combat. You even admitted in the thread earlier that i did not attack you.

Your alliance mates claimed to attack me in defense of C'tis sir...so how can it be construed that to be my fault as well?

As i see it you have given me nothing,while being the instigator of my demise. I'm not crying about it but actively doing my best to continue on. My advise,shutup and play. Don't quote me a rules lawyer or I'll remind you how useless it was for me when the sauromatica player attacked with no provocation less than 3 turns after agreeing to a common border.

Can you knock off the sarcasm about taking a turn as well bud? Depending on when i get it and where I am at I run it as soon as possible and many is the time I have been a fast turn around. Right now,friend there are many communications I need to have and I need to be at a computer where I have the game installed to do my turn. You loose 1 lousy province and start this nonsense?

Untrue. I sent you a message telling you my intentions of taking a certain territory. You did not respond, and took the territory anyway. I reminded you of the message I had sent, informed you that you were in my land and graciously allowed you to remove your forces before I took it back from you. You then declared war on me, publicly, in this forum.

"Irregardless" is not an actual word. For butchering the Queen's English my lizard armies are going to invade you a second time. This shall not pass!

As for innocence, not sure what you mean. I am certainly guilty of expanding quickly, a strategy that served me well in the beginning of this game. I am innocent of all charges of aggression, however. There is no nation in this game that can accuse me of declaring war on them. I have thus far had three wars declared on me, by yourself, then by Abysia and then just this turn by Caelum. With all of my neighbours, including yourself, I have made every attempt to establish borders and maintain peace. You are the only one who did not meet me half-way, instead declaring war on me. I'm not upset about that, mind you, just stating the facts as I understand them.

You declared war on me. I therefore attacked you, taking back only the province I had intended to take, and then trying again -- successfully, or so I thought -- to establish borders with you and establish an NAP-3. I could have pressed on and taken more of your land, and it would have been well within my right to do so, given you declared war on me. While it is true that you did not attack me (at that time), your declaration of war was a pretty clear indicator of your intention to do so. I find it highly unusual for the victim of aggression to be accused of attacking the aggressor -- this is usually considered self-defense.

I'm actually not really sure on the timing of all this.  I think Abysia declared war on me the same turn you did, so I doubt they attacked you because you attacked me. If anything, you declaring war on me probably helped him. If he did declare war on you because of this he did not communicate this to me at any time. Perhaps he can clear this up. I was actually under the impression that he was already at war with you prior to our little engagement. Not really sure.

Similarly, with Sauromatia, though I think he did honour our alliance and attack you, I also tried to get him to stop once you and I established peace. I am not really sure why this was not successful, but I don't think you can accuse me of not being an honest broker. Perhaps Sauromatia can provide more insight, dunno. For myself, I kind of gave up on trying to help you since communications were too muddled for my taste. It simply stopped being worth my while bothering to negotiate.

I gave you peace, rather than taking advantage of the war you declared on me. I also attempted to get you peace with Sauromatia (for my own reasons, I admit). Hardly the instigator of your demise.

Anyway, I don't really consider this a big deal. I will survive your attack. I just wish I had known your intentions earlier so I could take more of your land instead of letting Abysia and Sauromatia have all the fun.

Tophat - what ghostwes is trying to suggest with regard to speed of you turns: once you download a new turn, it should not take you more than 5 min to submit another one. So, since you are in position when not many choices can be done, and you have nothing to offer to conduct extensive/substantial diplomacy, it is not good if we have to wait for you to move your one army from one province to another ... 

if you are that busy, however, let it be ...

I have it on good authority that the Eagle Kings prefer Peanutbutter M&Ms, as they don't get too hard to chew on the frigid mountain tops.

I don't want to dogpile on Top, but I also find it a good rule of thumb to immediately submit my new turn if I was the final one to submit the last one.

I think our diplomacy issues this game stem from not explicitly defining any at the creation of the thread/game. That's something we'll definitly do next time

Also: who's been having terrible luck with province loss to random events? I've been hit by numerous ones, and have beaten back most of them, but I'm currently "hosting" the wandering heroes and a province which contains the results of a troll attack, and two barbarian hordes!

Well as you were the initiator of this game Tophat I'm sorry the outcome has not been more positive for you, but you learn from mistakes, or just from someone who does something better.

Hopefully everyone will be back in another game at some point.

No one has publically dropped the latest bomb have they?  I assume PMs are burning (punny, if they're from Aby) though,  I know mine have been

I'd do a 'world update' thingy, but I'm not sure how much of what I know is in confidence, so I'm keeping it all in confidence.  My scout network has suffered some losses lately anyway, stupid non-lizard lizards patrolling and such...

What I can say, is very soon, very very soon, everyone is going to be saying '...and Boom goes the Dynamite.'

Hello from the LlamaServer!

This message is just to let you know that I received a 2h file from you, and it seems to be fine.

Details:

Game name: DawnOfTheMorning
Nation: Early Era Marverni
Turn number: 31

Who's sent their turn in:
Sauromatia    Waiting for 2h file
C'tis          Waiting for 2h file
Ulm            Waiting for 2h file
Niefelheim    Waiting for 2h file
Marverni      2h file received
Abysia        Waiting for 2h file
Caelum        Waiting for 2h file

The turn will process when all 2h files have been received, or at the latest at 00:30 GMT on Saturday July 30th.

I got this in,in a timely manner folks.

Again,it has been a pleasure to actually learn how to effectively play the game. i shall probably loose several more,hopefully not this badly before i learn how to setup a balanced pretender. Seems I'll have possibly another turn.............

That's certainly true, but I was hoping for more variety than I've been getting. I'm recieving almost no other events

I'm enjoying the game, and I wouldn't worry, Top. I've yet to win a single one and I keep enjoying them more and more.

Meh, I got hit with 5 or 6 unrest events at my capitol in the first year!  Including one turn where the unrest kicked over 100 and I couldn't buy anything.

This with a luck scale (though also turmoil).  Weird stuff happens, like my pretender getting splatted by an elephant in spite of the odds being so highly against it.  Like the elephants refusing to rout even with the fear aura my pretender was pumping out.

It evens out, sorta, eventually

The 3x indy attack province was 1 turn from producing a fortress , and I'd pumped up the PD just in case. that was a painful loss for me.