*graphic courtesy of r_munch –thx!
Background
Back quite some time ago when we were talking about tournaments… WAAYYYYY back when I had that oh so very annoying thread about DG players – tier 1, tier 2 and those to be avoided (http://forums.demigodthegame.com/372184)…
… I had an idea. What if we had a tournament where every player was teamed up with every other player. This means, the tournament will really be about individual excellence. We mix and match teams. You don’t try to form team super perfect – you get an assigned teammate that changes each round. For every win, each player on the team gets 1 point. If you lose, you get nothing. We do this until we go through the combinations. The winner is the person with the most points as they were clearly the most effective on each team. In the event of a tie… well… I’ll figure something out. So, as you can see, this tournament is going to be structured VERY differently than our previous ones. If all is well with the brackets, you will play on the same team with every single person exactly 1 time.
The Brackets
Although it probably doesn’t sound all that challenging to pull off, we actually had quite a bit of difficulty coming up with a decent bracket that would enable us to have the tournament they way we wanted it. Thankfully, sledge was kind enough to help out and take the time to develop the brackets so I wouldn’t be doing all of the heavy lifting here. Please give him some karma if you think of it. At any rate, here’s a link to the brackets. Please take a look to help get a better understanding of how things will work. https://spreadsheets.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0An02sqdF5v-EdG1hLTI1d3prLWpnWUpSRnNrbG9RMFE&hl=en_US&authkey=CLWZtdgO
Be aware that we will have EXACTLY 16 players in this tournament. In the event that we only have 15 players, we will add in 1 enhanced AI, etc
What is the schedule?
We should spend some time discussing this. Technically, we could start immediately. As you can see from the brackets, all you need is 3 other folks online at the same time to get a game in. I propose that we setup some specifics dates and times that will be considered game days. We can all show up during this time windows, pair up, and get some games in.
Payouts will be delivered by PayPal. If you don’t have a PayPal account, get one. If you can’t do that, then you will not receive a payout for the cash prizes if you win. If you do win, provide me with your PayPal addresses via pm on these forums and I will get you sorted in short order. If the needed PayPal email address has not been provided in 1 week, the prize money is forfeit. Cash is rendered via PayPal in US dollars. If you are from another country, the conversion is provided by PayPal. Any fee charged by PayPal will come directly out of your winnings (so its possible the winners could receive less than the listed payout).
Thankfully, we have not had a need to disqualify any teams yet during our tournaments, but here are the ground rules.
Yea sure i cud participate. And when i said i suck with tb i lied..
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when is it? mith wants to play too
No idea on when - we just need to get a wee bit more organized... its not something that we'd play out in a day or anything. You in, zen?
yes i'm in. can anyone get a hold of Koush?
ok - I'm just going to throw this out there as a few people have chatted me up about this.
First - please don't feel any real need to defend yourselves here. I'd like for everyone to play and have fun in the tourney. I think everyone will enjoy themselves and like getting paired up with folks they don't regularly play together with. We'll have more than a few really solid, reasonably balanced games because of the format. I would like to ask for some restraint in game if you are upset with your teammates, though. We will ALL be paired up with players of varying skill levels. Just because you get paired with a teammate that isn't as good as you are with all dgs etc, is no reason to flame. So please, keep that in mind and remember - we will all play with the same players and be at a disadvantage if our teammate has to play a dg they aren't all that good with. That said, we all know how good it feels to win if you are able to carry a teammate that isn't all that great with X dg. And that, although its not fun to try to carry someone, it does say a heck of a lot for your skill level if you can. Anyway, I'm not at all attempting to slight anyone that's registered currently as a weak player or anything of the sort. I just want to cover some bases in advance so that we can all have fun and enjoy ourselves.
I've already put the blanket statement out there of please try not to bust your teammates chops too much. I'll add to it - only bust the chops of your opponents if you are familiar with them and they are cool with some trash talk.
Anyway, here's what I propose - if you end up with a teammate that is flaming you, just pm me and explain the situation. If a player gets particularly nasty, then I'll just post a simple recommendation, along with instructions, on how to squelch the player so that you don't have to put up with any abuse in game from your teammates. Anyway, hopefully there won't be any real need to do this, but we'll just cover this base in advance.
I would even take this one step further. If there is a player that is too weak and loses every game (kinda doubt that will happen) then the one player who manages to get a win when paired with him has a huge advantage towards every other player. So its exactly those games that could win the tournament for you.
Maybe I have gotten too good (doubt that) but I havent been flamed at for a long time. The first 30 games or so yes but since then its ok. Point is majority of the community doesnt flame and is pretty nice. As always: the better the player the less flame. Another thing to think about for the players that do flame. I admit though that every now and then I play with people I would like to flame also. Still doubt though that these will participate.
Yup - I completely agree.
If someone catches tactical, please give him an invite. He doesn't follow the forums, but always seems to want to participate in our tourneys.
i could ask koush on xfire but i doubt he will come
His answer: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
i think that's clear enough lol
ill play
math is hurting my brain now... I'm trying to figure out how all of this will work in practice.
If we are playing on the same team with 1 person exactly once in the tourney, then I think that works out mathematically into the world blowing up.
anyway, I'm trying to sort through what a chart would look like if we had set this up with 10 people. If we are going with a system where you only play once with each of those 10 players, then there will be a total of 9 games played per person (in a 2v2 tourney). Right? Does that sound off?
If I'm doing the math right, does anyone see any major pitfalls to having the tournament be structured this way?
If you want I can help you here. Lets say I am a bit educated in math things. First of all on your list there are 11 players. That means it will be 11 rounds but everyone has 10 games as one is always free from playing. In these 10 games you play with every partner once but you will play everyone twice (you always have 1 partner and 2 opponents).
What you do is you take excel and make a list from 1 to 11. Then you pair 1 and 2 against 3 and 4, 5&6 vs 7&8 and so on and then you change the partners and opponentes by exactly one. Then you take the lower half of the games and mix it into the upper half so you dont have to play one opponent twice in a row.
I could offer you to give you an excel with just numbers, you then draw names to the numbers and get automatically a spreadsheet with all match-ups. Thats not too hard to do for me. I just need to know the final number of participants.
Yeah - if you don't mind setting up a simple template and sending to me, I'd appreciate it. I know more than a little about excel formulas - just can't seem to wrap my head around an easy way to setup the spreadsheet. Thanks.
No problem. Excel will not do the formulas to setup the tournament. It only provides the ability to have a set game plan and put the names afterwards. hence you can draw them after you have the template. The game schedule itself is mostly handmade. But its only 11 rounds, so far so not too much work.
Actually I made a small mistake in my second to last post. With 11 people it is 3 players per round that have a free round as one game is with 4 peeps and not with 8. It would probably be smoother to have 12 players insted of 11. Not super important but it would make the schedule have less discussions.
When do we end sign-up?
methinks we'll close it out by the end of the week - say on Sunday. Then 1 day for admin -then we can start playing game any time after that.
Everyone - please check in with folks in game, etc, to see if others would like to participate.
I'll see what I can do about recruiting some folks. We are closing out registration on Sunday. ON Monday, I'll hopefully get some type of spreadsheet thrown together.
Doggu - aren't you going to play? We won't be having ridiculous start times for matches.
Ech whatever... If sledge is brave enough to participate, then so am I...
Yea! It should be fun, dark.
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Side note: if anyone would like to contribute to the prize, let me know via PM. As it is, I'll be providing a cash prize for #1, but its not likely to wow anyone.
Dont think anyone is in for the money, but then I am not in for the win either .
I already have a spreadsheet for 12 participants (or less), at least the teams per round so that everyone plays with everyone else exactly once. Have not done the match-ups so far. Its all numbers and no names still but thats the easiest part and I guess pacov will do that. So spreadsheet is more or less done.
I have been trying to recruit some more players but didnt work so far.
I am gonna wait a bit more until the tourney is more fleshed out before i commit because i am very busy these days. I am likely to join though, it would be nice for me to play one last time before my retirement .
Edit: Talking of retirement made me emotional, i am gonna miss you guys
I was going to link you to zen god's retirement page, but the bum updated it so its less funny now
Anyway, yeah - you will be missed orcun. I'm playing less anymore as well, but still loving it when things come together.
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