I must confess that I actually thought I hated this man and everything he was about until I started experiencing an overload of inaccurate and fictitious information the USG keeps pounding out and calling it the truth … so I decided to try an independent review of what I thought I knew and didn’t really. So I never watched or read anything Moore was involved with but I was more than willing to tell you how screwed up he was. So I rented the movie from Netflix and watched it … and I was amazed.
I have watched it twice now and I cannot find one shred of much information that is not factual or accurate. Beyond some idiosyncrasies in his sense of humor (they are funny); he presents very valid arguments and backs them up with documentation and interviews. He brings to light many of the things I have discovered in my own research into deceit, terrorism and the USG.
When I was a liberal (before I knew better) the only accurate information had to come from another liberal else it was a lie??? Later when I made my second mistake and became a conservative I learned the error of my ways … the truth could only be had from like ilk … so imagine my confusion when I called the neolibs and neocons for what they are and went independent. Suddenly, I have no source of valid information at all now (seemingly hehehe). I have had no success at all trying to walk the moderate tightrope between all the sharks without one side or the other dragging me down, go figure.
As far as Democrats/Republicans are concerned, their only care about the independent majority is how many they can acquire each election. But no matter which side is the best recruiter or who gets most independent votes … matters that concern the moderates will largely be ignored or sidelined and the neo-politicians will go their own course virtually unrestricted and completely unaccountable.
Charlies, I don't mind being challenged at all. You didnt challenge my facts. And whats with the "people like you" I'm a New Yorker, in Manhattan that day....still pissed.........
Btw Imagine the uproar if Obama sat on his ass for seven minutes while the towers burned.
I merely provided an example where the OP could find many factual errors in the movie, since he seemed to think it very solid (and it isn't). Why someone would post a comment about a movie, then proclaim he can't find any errors, without searching other sources, is beyond me.
myfist0 – Couldn’t agree more. I didn’t pick up any D or R overtones herein, but many will insist you are just being political and reproaching only their bedfellows. I am absolutely amazed at how much some are able to glean about ones beliefs, wants, desires and motivation from a simple post. I claim no such clairvoyance, which is why I have to discover the truth of things with my own research. Guess we are new best friends now, hehehe.
CharlesCS - Your likes or dislikes are not the issues or the topic here.
Okay, I take it back. Now I do think you are an idiot. Nothing in my post was pro one side or another. I'm a liberal Atheist in Kansas, I am a blue dot in a sea of red. Just because I am liberal, doesn't mean I am incapable of seeing Michael Moore for what he is. Yes, I think Fox news is as bad as Michael Moore, but this topic isn't about Fox, or Republicans, right? It's about Michael Moores movie where he spins videos and statements to destroy a political party he doesn't agree with. As a liberal, I feel it is my duty to make sure that I stand up and tear down those that proclaim to be on my side when they are spewing falsehoods and lies. We aren't going to get anywhere positive by listening to those types of people. If you can't use the truth to defend your point of view, then why defend it at all?
Whiskey144 – I know facts are tricky for most JU bloggers … But I have the movie in my hand as I write. Maybe you could explain how a picture of a flag over a coffin could be distraughtfull to anyone … and as for slanderous or libelous purposes, get real. If Bush is your truth-sayer, woe be unto you.
Heavenfall – You got me there, hehehe. I did overstate my findings but I will try to do better. I try not to use absolutes for this very reason but they still seem to get in once in a while.
You do realize that your link is written by the Independence Institute a conservative thinktank.
I wonder why they would be anti Moore.........hmmm
Lord Xia - Sorry there, I didn’t realize you were so serious. Shouldn’t have grouped you with Eternal Requiem but I was getting tired of responding … guess I should slow down as should we all. In all truth, I do not really know anything about EternalRequiem either … I have trouble analyzing short rejoinders as they seem intended to oppose my views more times than not. No reason to call me an idiot though. I live in Florida and I too am surrounded by the misinformed and likewise I am an atheist. So the only difference I see so far is that you are willing to believe that one side is more trustworthy than the other and I think they should be distrusted equally is all.
What? No, you are taking sides, I am not. You can't even pay attention to your own arguments. You are so one-sided you assumed that I was a Bush supporter and everyone else is because they are not the kool-aid drinker you are and swallowing every ounce of cyanide Michael Moore feeds you. Stop seeing everything in black and whites, with you or against you. I say I am a liberal, I do not say I am a Democrat or Republican. We are not the same, I might be a fiery person, but I am a capable of rational thought and refuse the kool-aid.
1. I'm actually not a JU blogger. Or JU user, for that matter. I personally wouldn't know how a picture of a flag over a coffin would be distressful, but it's certainly something I could see.
2. You're an idiot, you realize that? Just because you think that it would be impossible for such pictures to be used for slander, libel, or other similarly unsavory actions, doesn't mean jack.
3. I never said Bush was my "truth-sayer". I said that I'd trust him more than Michael Moore, because Moore is an idiot.
As for that "woe be unto you" bit, let me tell you something.
YOU'RE A NAFFING IDIOT.
If you want constructive remarks, always go to those who don't agree with you. STILL, it was only the first result. The OP's lack of effort in searching for information that contradicts his viewpoint is the issue.
Man do these topics ever bring out the name calling. To me this topic only has 1 idiot mentioned, George W Bush. Where I am from that moron wouldn't be able to get a job at a car wash.
Well, the thing is, nobody really cares about your country. Sorry Canada, I'm sure it's a nice place, but don't talk shit when you sit at the kiddy table of world events. I don't think much of President Bush either, I voted against him twice, but he was my president. And lets face it, shit, working at a car wash is about as important as leading your country.
I don't imaging any many of you actually followed my link to the whole article ... it might have helped but I doubt it. At present, I am going to post my articles on my own blog. Them I am going to pick a paragraph and post it here with a link. I do not think the blowhards will follow me there and hopefully those who want to discuss things will. I will post the whole article above.
Well this is just plain rude. And you call yourself a liberal? I could say the same thing about Kansas.
There's an aisle?
It's hilarious that you use the term neocon in reference to the other side of the non-existent aisle. I've been called one myself on various occasions by idiots like Mumblefratz.
A neocon, a short form derivation of neoconservatism, refers to a movement on the left side of the aisle, not the right. It was the Democrats that went Reagan on the wingnut socialist party leaders who absolutely destroyed the Democratic party in the 70's.
They're Democrats that take a proactive outlook on foreign exploits. Of course, this label fits Bush rather well, since he's a big government progressive himself and greatly increased the size and scope of government during his terms, but then you've probably convinced yourself that the guy was a right wing lunatic, so I'll be talking to a wall here. If your ear canals do still lead to active neurons, you might like to know that the practical application of left and right in regards to the GOP and the Democratic party haven't been anything resembling accurate in a full century.
We haven't had a true right winger since Warren G Harding, even Reagan was fairly liberal in his viewpoints compared to constructionists like me. It's why the Libertarian party exists to such a great degree, and why the Socialist party has never gained any traction. Both major parties are on the left side of the aisle, leaving no room for the Socialist party, and nowhere for the "fuck off and leave me alone" crowd to go.
As far as claiming their share of lies and deceit, that would require a great redress of currently accepted academia. Keynes was a complete retard. The entire body of work built around his idiotic, nonsensical ideas that had already been disproved by multiple depressions caused by the exact same thinking, has to go away.
The money multiplier effect from government spending is myth. There isn't one, never has been, never will be. Wealth isn't in money, it's in production of goods and services. When you take money out of the private sector, and put it to hand outs, the maximum possible positive effect is zero. The why is simple, the endpoint for that money is exactly where it came from. All government spending can do is increase the loss in the mean time, by removing it from those who produce more effectively, the people from whom the vast majority of tax revenue is collected from as a logical result of having actually gained wealth through their efforts.
Once you start with economics grounded in reality, the rest is small potatoes. Of course, both parties are still on the wrong side of the aisle even then, but that's to be expected. Half of them are fucking lawyers, parasite #1 draining 2% of our GDP in revenue for doing nothing of use and adding massive levels of waste to every aspect of the economy. When someone says "kill all the lawyers" in response to a problem, it really is a good idea.
Please look up the definition of an idiot for me will you. I'm laughing my ass off about how this turned into a bitch slapping contest. Oh the endless cycle of who's right and wrong, who's smarter and who's dumber. Who has the bigger stick... gee... I'll just stop... lol I don't feel like going into rant mode today I'd probably piss of all sides here if I did.
lol psychoak... I wasn't being literal... I was just wondering if the OP would actually do it, actually look it up. There are more definitions of an idiot but I won't continue.
and yes I looked it be up before hand
Also... no disrespect to anyone here chatting and arguing... but... you know what this thread looks like? It's the perfect example of the senate/congress, always arguing and almost never agreeing with anything the other party says.
Well, they're a collection of idiots too, so it makes perfect sense.
Tut-tut, psychoak. Neither you nor Mumblefratz are idiots; you're both just apparently angry men with a flair for rhetoric and a taste for combative typing.
Mumble has vexed me sorely on many occasions when he used angry typing to argue for policy positions that I share. You vex me because I can't quite understand why you appear to care about civic participation while also having an abysmally low opinion of your fellow nekkid apes. What the fuck is up with that? Are you a closet politician, or perhaps a radical small-d democrat? You certainly sound like a man with an agenda sometimes...
In case you're wondering this is a clip from my last Elemental game while on the Sword of the Sovereign quest.
I beg to differ on both counts. The only evidence suggesting the contrary on my behalf is from relatives and teachers, neither of which count. The latter for obvious bias, the former because they're a bunch of damned idiots themselves that typically couldn't think their way out of a wet paper bag. If there is any evidence to the contrary in regards to Mumblefratz, I've never seen it. His ability to pursue a career does not negate a complete inability to think for himself. The gold standard for a product of group think.
Sadly, I have a duty to vote as a well informed citizen. Knowing I'm utterly fucked and will never have anyone actually accomplish anything resembling acceptable goals doesn't negate that damned irritating problem. I'd greatly appreciate it if 90% of the current voters stopped, as they're not well informed and have, at this point, rammed uncle so far up their own ass they barely have room for their own heads. Although at this point, we're probably utterly hosed regardless. Defaulting on the national debt and collapsing the world economy might even be the lesser of two evils right now...
My participation in threads such as this are just a byproduct of abject stupidity. I know better, which is partially why I don't mind verbally castrating people for saying stupid shit. If it's going to be futile, it might as well be interesting. The rest is because I'm an asshole.
It was both, actually. The film was released in 1966. Starred Julie Christie & Oskar Werner.
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