I must confess that I actually thought I hated this man and everything he was about until I started experiencing an overload of inaccurate and fictitious information the USG keeps pounding out and calling it the truth … so I decided to try an independent review of what I thought I knew and didn’t really. So I never watched or read anything Moore was involved with but I was more than willing to tell you how screwed up he was. So I rented the movie from Netflix and watched it … and I was amazed.
I have watched it twice now and I cannot find one shred of much information that is not factual or accurate. Beyond some idiosyncrasies in his sense of humor (they are funny); he presents very valid arguments and backs them up with documentation and interviews. He brings to light many of the things I have discovered in my own research into deceit, terrorism and the USG.
When I was a liberal (before I knew better) the only accurate information had to come from another liberal else it was a lie??? Later when I made my second mistake and became a conservative I learned the error of my ways … the truth could only be had from like ilk … so imagine my confusion when I called the neolibs and neocons for what they are and went independent. Suddenly, I have no source of valid information at all now (seemingly hehehe). I have had no success at all trying to walk the moderate tightrope between all the sharks without one side or the other dragging me down, go figure.
As far as Democrats/Republicans are concerned, their only care about the independent majority is how many they can acquire each election. But no matter which side is the best recruiter or who gets most independent votes … matters that concern the moderates will largely be ignored or sidelined and the neo-politicians will go their own course virtually unrestricted and completely unaccountable.
Crazy is believing you are in Iraq spreading Demoncracy. Crazy is swallowing the lies of your government, hook, line and sinker when they are proven to have lied over and over and over. Crazy is swallowing the desensitization of believing Iran is the next threat so you can easily see where your troops will be going next from your new PERMANENT bases in Iraq.
A history lesson for Dummies
and everyone thought the world waited to long to remove Hitler.
There is a not-so-fine line seperating healthy skepticism of the government and crazy. This thread has blown past that line
If you just somehow believe that we were just to invade Afghanistan and Iraq, I would have to ask why? Most JU’s seem content without an answer … I am not, not without the suppositions explained.
Put the answers into a video game for the zombies. 2 minutes without something blowing up and you lost 'em.
Fact – The drug production in Afghanistan has increased by 4,400% since the USG brought democracy and freedom there, hum!
Hey Myfist0 whats really scary about that caller is that the caller is probably (still) clueless about all the gaps in logic he stated in an amazingly short period of time. Zombies do walk among us, and have learned how to use phones. If only universal kindness were as efficient.
I liked RTS, Stronghold was a great castle sim. If I taxed my people to much or over worked them they would leave my town and go work for the next king. So I mass my army, storm his castle and kill and torture everyone, happier now f@#Kers? Not to mention I got new mines to rape without having to buy at market price.
Ya that DJ cracked me up
This is what happens when we go to the voting booths ...
Yeah... no. I know full well that no matter what I (or anyone else) say, it will not change your opinion in the slightest.
Where's my bunker buster round? cause... it seems... that's what's BT opinion seems to be made out of... lol kidding now. ugh... I need some sleep... @_@
Yes, because your need to see it should take priority over someone elses right to privacy as they grieve over their national spectacle on TV.
EternalRequiem, I will gladly ship you some sleeping pills … geeze???
There is plenty to criticize about any government--certainly the US is a big target for that. Having said that though, the idea that a cabal of all-powerful, arch-evil, government savants is secretly organized to strip all men of their freedom and secretly control their minds like play things is a bit of a stretch. I could accuse the makers of Coca-Cola of doing the same thing.
Individuals do individually selfish/ambitious things and when you get a group of like-minded individuals together who share negative e traits, the temptation to bend the rules is strong with that sort. That's not a "government conspiracy"--it's a group of corrupt individuals who eventually get outed or caught because sooner or later the people who won't go along with them find out.
As dumb as politicians are, how many do you really believe are capable of being "Illuminati" and prepped to enslave mankind? They have a hard enough time functioning on a basic level. The more power an individual or group has, the greater the possible magnitude of their errors. So comparing the US government to Hitler is a stretch.
If you want that sort of example, look to people like..Hitler. Or how about Mao Tse Tung or Joseph Stalin who killed more than Hitler's government did during the entire war? Look to Assad Jr. and Sr. or at what Vladimir Putin did before Russia was "gentrified". Read about Sadaam or a lot of these other "poor victim" countries.
The US is just a big fat juicy target for criticism but there are a lot bigger targets to be found for real absolute condemnation and contempt.
I'm not endorsing what we are doing--I'd like to see it change and could critique too--and I do by writing and speaking to congressmen and those I know. This pure unreasoning hatred of one's on government is a separate problem all of its own. Go watch Mad Max and see what sort of life you'll have with "freedom".
@Sinperium,
"Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure-one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." - David Rockefeller
These people who meet at Bildeberger meetings, closed to the press btw, aren't talking about who won American Idol last week. They are the architects - their primary tools are propaganda and control of debt/money.
Of course there is a cost to war, you think I don't know that? When narrow-minded people like Michael Moore use a microscope and a projector to present an argument, I won't give the argument much merit because it isn't a camera that is taking a look at the big picture, sorry.
This is hardly a new conspiracy. I've done my research, and yet another discussion that rehashes the same material isn't going to change anything. I don't need to change my mind, as my intelligence has determined that the official version of events, while it has some holes in it, is far more likely to be what actually occured than the whole thing being a convoluted inside job to start wars.
What ... are you trying to tell me that the USG got to Mad Max too, well don't that beat all, hehehe.
I am well aware of individuals like Rockefeller who believed the elite--like himself--were the only ones fit to decide for others how they should live...and it is of course, for their own good.
Margaret Sanger who was concerned for women's health and freedom also promoted eugenics and forced sterilization of the mentally disabled and generationally and chronically poor--all as a "progressive" agenda for "their own good".
Stalin starved ten million Ukrainians to death while they lived in one of the worlds largest grain exporting countries, for the good of those people Mao-Tse Tung was responsible for the deaths of as many as sixty-million in his march to "help the working man".
The French Revolutionary council rounded up people in the street suspected of having 'wrong ideas" and tortured and executed them with amusement and disdain while crowds clapped and cheered--all in the name of Liberte' for the common people.
You can add to the list--it goes back to the earliest times of history in every nation. The examples I give above though happened mostly in contemporary times and were headed by progressive "intellectuals". They didn't occur in a feudal society in the dark ages or in days when burned sacrifices were offered at hill top shrines.
What they all have in common is they were led by people who used hate and the appearance of seeking individual freedom and justice to further plans to deprive people of their liberty and even their lives in order that they could make people do what they wanted them to do.
By virtue of the government we have, its ability to wrongly wield power is directly proportionate to the extent the people within it allow it to do so. Sadly that means that when we are an uniformed, selfish and ignorant populace we get a government that is representative of that. "We" are the government (here in the US).
What astounds me is the thinking that new party bosses or mullahs or Napoleons will "make it right" if we only tear down existing society and its structure and ideals. It's the same song that's been on the radio since governments began.
“Government is an evil; it is only the thoughtlessness and vices of men that make it a necessary evil. When all men are good and wise, government will of itself decay.” --Percy Shelle, poet.
“It is necessary for him who lays out a state and arranges laws for it to presuppose that all men are evil and that they are always going to act according to the wickedness of their spirits whenever they have free scope” --Niccolo Machiavelli
"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried." -- Sir Winston Churchill
I'll close with a quotes from the Old Testament and Churchill:
And he said, “This will be the procedure of the king who will reign over you: he will take your sons and place them for himself in his chariots and among his horsemen and they will run before his chariots. “And he will appoint for himself commanders of thousands and of fifties, and some to do his plowing and to reap his harvest and to make his weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. “He will also take your daughters for perfumers and cooks and bakers. “And he will take the best of your fields and your vineyards and your olive groves, and give them to his servants. “And he will take a tenth of your seed and of your vineyards, and give to his officers and to his servants. “He will also take your male servants and your female servants and your best young men and your donkeys, and use them for his work. “He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his servants. “Then you will cry out in that day because of your king whom you have chosen for yourselves, but the LORD will not answer you in that day”
What's intersting is that up to that point Israel had prophets who instructed the people to be moral and corrected them when they erred--with the onus being on the individual to then be responsible for his or her own behavior and its consequences.Instead, the people wanted "someone else" to "do it for them".
Regardless of how you feel about the book, the point is valid. People clump together and look for a "savior like them" to whom they can give absolute power in order to make people by force do what they want. That's evil.
"It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried." --Sir Winston Churchill (who 25% of Britain's polled think is a fictional character)
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