I have seen this discussed here a few times, and purchased it recently. I think some others might as well. If there is enough interest, I could start a PBEM game on llamaserver. Info on llamaserver can be found here.
Newbie--5 or fewer MP games. Can be adjusted if needed if there is not enough interest.
Early Age
Vanilla, no mods.
Diplomacy-keep your word, but everyone starts off at war.
Game name: Elementalists
Map Hieronica. Download map here.
Players.
wonderloss - Pangea
ElanaAhova - Yomi
LordXia - Tien Chien
louist - Arcoscephale
EmersonPF - Abyssia
Kamamura_CZ - Hinnom
Thranite - Agartha
igorCRO - Marverni
ReuelKB - Lanka
ghostwes - Ermor
But sure her spirit lives on... or something like that... ?
Perhaps Lilith's prophet could let Hinnom know if this is going to be considered an act of war, and if she has an NAP or other agreement, if she plans to end it due to this international incident.
wonderloss - just to clear things up - we did not have a NAP, and we both attacked a neutral province. First she fought the independents, and then I fought her.
What I am offering her is to refrain from further agression as long as she recognizes Wynna and Mark as my territory forever. As long as her army is in tatters and I lost just one charriot in the process, I think it's not a bad deal. I could probably beat the PD in her home castle, ending the game for her, since her pretender is dead and army in tatters. I could easily ask for a regular tribute, but I am willing to let her exist as a sort of vassal state, guarding my south-western flank. There are still vast territories south and west from her castle she can expand into. That's how things stand - politics is just the art of the possible.
Dear nation of Yomi, please allow Angelina Jolie to express her sympathies regarding the loss of your own personal pretender god. By way of consolation, I pass along this famous folk saying from the nation of R'yleh: "That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with the passing of strange eons, even death may die".
To Hinnom, Angelina Jolie sends her apologies for missing your fine feast. While travelling westward, she encountered a band of barbarians. Out of the kindness of her heart she started preaching from the book of "Mr and Mrs Smith", to show the barbarians the light of Agarthan culture. From nowhere, some blue-painted maniac ran up, shouted "Freedom!" and chopped her in half with his broadsword. This unfortunate cleaving in twain has perforce delayed her world tour.
It is fortunate for the Agarthan people that Angelina Jolie can never truly die so long as she is surrounded by her fans. Reports from the capital indicate she has already returned, and looks even skinnier than before.
I gathered that it was an accidental attack. I have had the same happen in another game. I had not seen your post when I made mine. I was just advising her to respond, dead pretender or not, so she did not end up in a war she did not want at this time.
As it happens, one of my assassins entered the territory as the foul event occurred, so I can say that it was indeed most likely an accidental attack by Hinnom on Yomi.
Basically, we all entered at the same time, with Yomi attacking independents from the west (acquitting herself quite well I might add), and then Hinnom attacking what he thought was still an independent from the east, and me just scouting the area.
If Hinnom does indeed feel some remorse for this unfortunate error, I may have a proposal for you. Once I hear back from Yomi you will likely hear from me.
The nation of Arcoscephale sends its best regards to the green things of Yomi in this trying time. It may ease your people to know that our Thinkers have developed a new theory on the life after death. Our greatest minds are positive that the spirits of those who die do not really leave, but merely shrink to become those unseen "mice" that have cats and dogs the world over charging headfirst into solid walls. The Thinkers believe that, by throwing themselves in front of scurrying cats and dogs, priestesses may, by chance, capture such spirits. Returning them to their bodies, though, is easily accomplished with a common blacksmith's bellows.
As an aside, everyone here is familiar with bringing a pretender god back after death?
Priests have a "Call God" action. When they take that action, they generate 1 point per priest level. After 40 points have been generated, the pretender god comes back. So two level 1 and one level 2 priest could bring a god back in 10 turns.
Downside is the reborn pretender loses one skill level in each path of magic (but not bless effects).
Spokesdemon for the dead lilith: The dead pretender may come back, after a number of turns, but the high priest is also dead - so it takes longer? AND the pretender comes back permently weaker... AND hinnom is demanding that I allow him to keep the province where he attacked me (accidently or not) even thought that province is adjacient to my castle, and two provinces from his.... would any of you accept such a thing?
Now I will make some counter demands: i expect significant reparations from hinnom: 1) gold, items, gems, leaders. He must attempt to replace what he took from me if he expects me to trust him - especially after the blatent lies he has told us all; and 2) I expect hinnom to withdraw his claim on the province adjacient to my home, but two provinces from his home... that is an intolerable situation... next he will want poland! i also expect him to publically admit that he misrepresented the incident earlier... that he was NOT the defender, but the (probably unintentional) attacker...
actually, guess it doesn't matter, he lied once, (claiming I attacked him) and so early in the game...
I will follow her last directions and send the 10,000 roasted demons for your party... and some hot sauce. Drink hearty....
And dear Thranite, i know lilith would be sad to hear of such trreatment from the 'freedom' creature. No pretender deserves such treatment.... and
Thanks for the info about how pretenders come back, i jusyt hav eto hire a bunch of priests, amnd sit around for 7 - 8 turns... while hinnom demands the unreaonable from me.
Ah, I just read hinnoms nasty words about my 'army in tatters,' go ahead and try and take my home..... you will never get tribute from me..... but I will fight you and you will be weaker... and the others will then pick your bones... you lied in public about what happened... NO ONE will trust your word again. Send significant reparations, and witdraw your claim on the province, or it is war. Think clearly, Hinnom, your only hope is to win my trust with your actions, and redeem your soilded word. Else my allies pick your bones. My candle will not go out alone... the long dark awaits you, if you choose unwisly.
So much excitement! So much drama! I cannot tear myself away.
Please allow me as a disinterested neighbour (with assassins!) to negotiate a lasting peace between the three of us. I have already spoken to Yomi and she finds my terms reasonable; I will send a message to Hinnom shortly.
In the meantime, please try not to use this thread to discuss this. Let's do so privately. We will get this settled in a manner that will accommodate everyone, but that will require that we refrain from unnecessary insults and accusations
Oh nice, Yomi and Hinnom are about to go at it. WAAAAAGGHH!!!
Why not have fun with it. Silly, but the player behind hinnom is someone i have exchanged friendly emails with - and I count as a friend... so all the blustering here is ROLEPLAYING.... enjoy!
There's so much going on between the players here and in-game that I can't believe it's only turn 5. I'm having a hard time not panicking when I review my forces, because I keep getting caught by the mind-set that we're much further into the game.
Messages have been sent. Please consider my proposal, dear subjects... err, neighbours. I meant neighbours.
Enjoying the banter guys keep it up!
Though just how small is this map you all are playing on? Or are there just a few close starting positions??
It is not a small map, so I think some people just ended up close to one another. I think there are around 14 provinces per person, maybe more.
14 provinces per person? Then why am I surrounded.... two players that i know of have home castles within 2 provinces of my home. Perhaps it is because of the water? And the unexlored direction is impassable mouintains... I don't think there is a water pretender, is there?
131 land, 19 sea. That is 13 land provinces per person. I think you ended up with a bad position to start in.
In the future, I will probably look at a map with fixed start positions if I set up another game. Not that it helps you much now.
This is the first game I have set up, so I have learned a bit about the options. There are a few things I would do differently if setting up a game in the future.
No matter the countless winters that covered the beards of our Honorable Councilmen with the purest silver, life always finds ways to stun us with surprise - sometimes even so unexpectedly that other emotions, like justified anger, just do not come. What did we just hear? The defeated asks her vanquisher for reparations? For gold, gems, and whatever else? I thought our demands were reasonable, merciful even, given the circumstances, but to withdraw from the land our brave warriors just baptised with their blood? Unthinkable! And to accuse us of lying when the scouts of other nations confirm our words? Outrageous! Our victory may have been a bit random and unintended, but just imagine what would happen when we march to war ON PURPOSE?
So be it then, the wolf that bites the hand extended to him in friendship must learn his due lesson. Our elders are like kind fathers to our people, but they can also show the power of their wrath to those who threaten us without a good cause. Let the Trumpet that Turns Cities to Rubble shake the earth with its echoing roar. Let the chariots cover the wastelands with clouds of dusts. Let the swords quench their thirst with the blood of our enemies.
Let the WAR begin!
Indeed, there is not, to my great delight. I was quite happy when Atlantis dropped at the lat minute - at least I got my back covered, relatively speaking.
My dissappointment was keen when I found out that I had the potential of being the premier water power, and was located as far from the ocean as the map would allow!
All of this drama!
Up in the fires of Mt. Abysia everything is comparatively quiet and tranquil. Our scouts have only just come to the borders of another empire, many many provinces to the north. I think others are closer to us, to the south and west, but there are impassable mountains to the south and only one passage via land to the west.
Nevertheless, expansion is slow with Abysia because our troops are extremely expensive. Losing seven men to barbarians - as we did in our last battle with the independents - may seem like nothing to you less hardy nations, but seven men is a significant number of Abysians. Our expansion has been, therefore, somewhat slowed by the combination of troop expenses and the placement of our capital in between conquerable provinces (meaning we have to pass back through the capital before attacking again). As the rest of you know, as well, mercenaries have proven expensive, far too costly for our already costly nation.
Nevertheless, Arges looks forward to watching his chosen commander in the death match (it was difficult to convince him not to go himself, but the risks were deemed too great), and Abysia looks forward to meeting and igniting all of you in battle. Someday.
Hinnom is the wolf, taking advantage of unearned luck! Hinnom offered no mercy, no honor. Hinnom offered vassalage / servitude.. that no nation could suffer so early - hinnom abuses a neighbor who tried to befirend him. Make reparations for your ill-gotten gain, replace that which you took without declaration of war, and rescind the demand for Wynna province adjacient to Yomi home, taken without honor, like thieves ... AND admit you lied about who attacked who.... and you might make a friend...
But contine to abuse Yomi with word and deed, and Yomi will teach your elders the meaning of treachery following your ill-gotten luck and gains. Yomi will die if Hinnom continues to act dishonorably, and YOU will unleash the dogs of war.. and prove your elders mere dogs themselves... without sentient honor. You attack and kill our soverign in her own back yard! And you refuse to make things right! Let all the world beware - Hinnom is lying in wait for you.
War begins when you refused to make amends for your ill-gotten advantage, and THEN demanded a province adjacient to Yomi home. Lilith would roast me alive if she knew i was saying this, but your treachery, avrice, and mean-spiritedness makes her seem like an angel of heaven. Dogs you act like, and dogs you are.
Yomi's candle will go out... but hinnom will be weakend and others will feed their dogs from your reamins. Your choice...choose wisely for the long term, hinnom, and not for the short, quick gain... you may still repent and make things right. Or you will die with us.
Yes, as you can all see, negotiations are proceeding just splendidly.
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