i think it is time for the enemy that is making the cowardly vasari run away.
i think it is a human race, or an evolved vasari race.
I admit it...I am the Vasari nemesis. It was me all along.
Please don't tell.
I like the idea of an extra-dimensional sort of bad guy. I keep thinking of the ship that came back after 50 years in the movie Event Horizon...that sort of badness.
It's either that or their grown up kids showed back up at home and wanted to move back in....maybe Lady Gaga too.
Angry phase space nanobot carebears from the center of the galaxy, basically.
Wait a minute here.
God damn it, there are so many terrible jokes I can make here...
sorry i was a little vague with the op.
the reason it could be an evolved vasari race is because it started at their home worlds. the most secure planet in anyone;'s star empire. also this enemy catchs up to them one generation after they settle down a little to rebuild and gather resources.
the reason it could be a human race is that when they smacked into the humans from earth, we stopped them in their tracks and we didn t even have any warships when they arrived. well a few to take on the pirates. but no caps just some ff.
in either case the vasari are cowards, the first true fight on their hands and they run away.
sorry, danie, but if MY empire began to crumble away from the central worlds and i sent all my ships to destroy whatever was happening. and only one ship came back, badly dammaged, with the crew half mad...i'd want to run away too...
Look at the Vasari tech effects in a late game--they have incredible power and that's their "mobile forces" on the run. In the day, their empire must have been epic.
Now look at the primary areas where they focus tech:
Then you look at the game title and premise, "Sins". So the question is, "What is the sin of the Vasari that unleashed such judgment on them and who did they sin against and what enemy has it brought to them?".
If their technological power caused their dilemma, I think the gravitic/phase specialization points to a real possibility of a breach in their universe to "something else". Maybe they opened a hellgate , summoned Cthulhu or transgressed into the domain of godlike beings or perhaps it is something they did to themselves...think of what a Vasari "Umbrella Corp" could do. Maybe Milla is after them It could be they opened a portal to another universe or dimension adjacent to phase space or on the other side of a wormhole, modified themselves augmented with nanites to survive there and tried to expand their conquest there--only then to find things weren't simply a matter of mere arms and force and that they didn't just go in but let something out that they can't put back.
But I personally don't think its simply that they found as technologically more advanced race and are fleeing it. I think it is something that absolutely terrifies them for their very existence.
The one thing that could do that for sure would be something that can twist the very nature of reality and turn their universe into a living hell.
If you saw in the last Battlestar Galactica series, when it was revealed that "god" was behind human and cylon creation, the more atheistic cylon simply couldn't deal on that level and then blew his brains out.
I think the Vasari did not find another race simply "more technologically advanced" than themselves--I think they found one so fundamentally different and alien and powerful that it shook their confidence and reality.
So it has to be space ponies.
But in defense of Event Horizon--how would you react if not only did a ship come back after 50 years and the recovery crew went mad but then you discovered the original crew was still alive and would never die suffering horrible torment and the thing that had them was now going to rule your universe too.
Space Ponies! It must be
[edit]damn, beaten to it[/edit]
Muwahahahahahaha...yes, foolish mortal...beaten indeed.
if they were playing with genetics, then i stand by my theory of an evolved vasari.
Why would they flee then?
I do belive they are running from an intergalactic "grey goo" scenario. Did you all even to bother to watch the intro video?
the evolved vasari developed psionics.
makes no sence. why would the evolved vasari not be able to outrun the runners? the current vasari have nooo problems staying far ahead of this thing.
Isn't that what sequels are for?
Because their Dark Fleet remants are out of gas.
the vasari are only able to sit on their butts for a single generation before the enemy catches up to them. meaning not only can these guys beat them but their able to track them through space. or the new enemy is born and takes a generation to grow up and become a threat.
ya. sit on thier butts for a single generation... every time they move. and, if whatever it is is expanding in a geometircal patern, it doesnt fracking need to track stuff. it just envolopes everything.
Now, the galaxy has a radius of about 50,000 light years. we are a little farther than 1/2 way out. Now, there is no way there is anything habitable or anything at the center of the galaxy... so the vasari threat started prolly at least 5000 light years from the center of the galaxy. It is possible they didnt start running untill significantly later after it started, since the colony that took to the skys was at the fringe of the empire. and who knows how large that empire was.
SO, stupid numbers: If the vasari thread started at 5000 light years, earth is at 25000 light years... the immediate question becomes: how far is it from the center of the empire, to the edge, and from earth to the coreward edge of trader space? It is prolly more than 10000 light years between the border of the vasari empire, and the border of the terran empire... but prolly no more than 15000. SO, using a single significant figure, We MIIIGHT be able to say that the vasari threat is traveling at (or very close to) the speed of light. 10000 years is a realllly long and pathetic time if the threat had FTL capibilites,
Point is: if whatever is chasing the vasari had phase drives, there would be no time to have a 50+ year long war with hummies and space witchs. there wouldnt even be time to drop out of phase space.
No, I'm pretty sure he killed himself because he had apparently just been betrayed by the Final Five, resurection technology was lost for good, his comrads (I don't want to call them friends) were all dead or in the process of dying, and the humans would probably kill him too. And they were all about to fall into a black hole.
The ironic part is that that enemy they are running from is close behidn them.Even if the Vasari are wiped out by TEC,the vasari nemesis is going to get to tec.It is kinda fitting that the vasari will leav the humans to deal with their "Sins".
Nevertheless,I hope SOASE 2 reveals them,I dont mind them as a race,but the "thing" as a game plot.I really dont want it to be a race of advanced tech.SOmething extradimensional hell,it would really fit.It gives you much more to think about.
Now if only SOASE had a campaign,it would give it alot mroe flavor.
See Supcom for example,its story is kinda lame but it still gives the game a flavor.Now SOASE has a lot potential with its story.
dont we humans always have to pick up the pieces. besides as i said when the vasari started their attack on humans we had no warships except a few pirate fighters. we humans not only fought them to a stand still but we are now defeating them long live the traders.
If it's grey goo I will be mad 'cause that's just not original enough. Now if the gray goo has become intelligent and wants to posses the Vasari, that might be good.
So the question is if all the factions are fighting and near each other all the time, why hasn't anyone else been effected by this big black nemesis?
I actually think the devs of the original Sins used the "boogie man" plot device buty hadn't really thought it out well and will have to actually come up with something now. So we should raise the bar on them and not let them off easy with obvious plot devices!
As for that cylon, I think he was a whiny crybaby who offed himself because his vision of a brave new world was instantly rendered irrelevant and he wasn't going to serve anyone else's vision. Boohoo.
Everybody go read the first book of the safehold series. You will understand how it is possible to escape. Space is vast.
I like the tear in space idea, like species 527 or whatever it was in star trek. The altered dimension is cool too... i'd love to see organic ships.
maybe that is what the enemy is, their own ships come to life.
One lof the Babylon 5 movies was like this. I forget the name but it was like "Lovecraft in B5". They found a Vorlon artifact that opened a gate to another universe only the guys on the other side were very nasty and very advanced. I thought it was a cool "long episode".
These ideas years back were things you discussed with others but NEVER saw in a movie and often not in books. Now everybody does them. Darn.
I am not a big Hellboy fan but I did love the ending scenes of the first movie. There is nothing more scary than pure alien evil that comes from somewhere else, is unknowable, unstoppable and wants you personally to suffer
Clearly the vasari enemy is suffering from a case of not being written in such that everyone thinks they are amazing, hence the writers cant think of something good enough to actually write it in.
And actually, the tvtropes article on grey goo is very small compared to most tropes it seems.
Guys, guys. The stuff chasing the Vasari are obviously Reapers.
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