I guess I will learn about copy write law then. Changes every day so why bother until I need to. The meter was a pic off the net of a meter but I changed the text and added the animated meter so is it mine now or do I owe money to the family of the caveman that invented the colour green and red as well? I think it's ok because I erased the do not copy section lol.

Just learning Gifs and animated brushes for games, made my avatar blink last night as well.

I've never said anything about needing money to have morals. It's interesting that you make things up. Then again, you seem unable to formulate an argument without trying to shove large groups of individuals into narrowly construed categories designed only to stoke your ego.

Your word use clearly indicates a plurality, but thank you for demonstrating, again, you don't know a thing about the golden rule you play lip service to.

I find it funny that one, who would claim a belief in kindness and respect, would so completely miss the ultimate point of the golden rule, being forgiveness, charity, and a general good will towards one's fellow man. While the golden rule does not state that one should be a pushover, it does have seem to have a problem with your second part about lack of respect. In general, I do not get into moral debates with people who are so strongly committed to such a destructive moral code, but I think in trying to bring the conversation back from mindless name calling, I will take a few moments to correct some of the flaws in your moral argument. If someone broke into your home and put your family at risk, this person has crossed a very real boundary and you have every right to protect your family. This is not a morality issue, but one of the simple nature of life. If you are not willing to defend your life or the lives of those you love, then you are deserving of the things that happen to you. If someone is bullying your friends, standing up for them is also not a moral issues, as again you are simply protecting the safety and happiness of those you care about. Yet, this brings us to a fundamental principle about Morality. If you have to create a hypothetical situation to define goodness or badness, you have shown nothing. Any maxim ( ie rule/law/Moral code ) can not rely upon a hypothetical situation to define its inherent goodness or badness, since this situation is one of a near infinite amount of possible situations, which can show the maxim in any number of different moral lights. Using the right hypothetical situation, one can claim murder, rape, theft, or even genocide to be good in one form or another. If something is to be considered good it must always be good, no matter what. Now, that said, You toss around a lot of words like Morality and personal responsibility, while also knocking people with 'no boundaries'. I hate to break it to you, but the limitless and unbounded nature of humanity is what makes us so amazing. It is that nature that even allows you to consider your own responsibilities and moralities. When looking at the history of the World, it is not the boundless that start wars, invade countries, commit mass genocide, or steal the livelihood of third world children. It is those who would have you believe that you are not boundless and must align yourself with a particular and limited paradigm of thought. To bring this all back to the original topic of conversation, I shall end by asking as two simple questions. First, How you feel if someone came up to you and started calling you names, like criminal? And Secondly, if internet pirates are such amazingly bad criminals destroying the livelihoods of hardworking people, how come the media industry is one of the wealthiest and most powerful groups on the planet?

From Batman's post above:

Well, there you have it. The boy admits he's just trolling.

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I will say that i only treat you like I would expect to be treated if I was a crock


Wow! This is the most insane perversion of the golden rule I have ever heard. Let me take a moment to spell it out for those who may not completely see how amazingly insane this is. Firstly, downloading copyrighted materials does not make one "a crook". So to say that you would treat someone who you do not actually know is a crook in this way means you must treat everyone you even remotely believe to be a criminal as a criminal. Secondly, the golden rule does not say "Do unto others as you would expect to be done to you in some particular situation". If you were a criminal and had control of what was done to you, you would have mercy and compassion. This is the entire point of the golden rule, mercy and compassion. And thirdly, the golden you does not say "If you kind of believe a person to be of substandard moral character, treat them as poorly as possible because they obviously don't have the same kind of moral character as you". That said, how can someone talk about other's as being criminals while taking on the mantle of vigilante ( btw vigilantism is a crime)?
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Oh no worries, I think most people know that this self proclaimed genius is severely lacking in another type of intelligence, probably more the one.

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Both interesting talks, thanks.

Fun game. I keep hoping for a 2nd one that isn't just a remake but a sequel with more... stuff.

I wouldn't call it a remake, more a graphics upgrade. I thought it was a console game adapted to computer, the mechanics of it are that retro. Cheats galore and an incredibly clumsy interface, the game seemed like something out of the early 90's, except for the graphics, which are well done. But I cant see what about that game justified it's $20 or more price tag, it's piracy golldangit . There is so much wrong with this game, it is un-effing-believable. I bought it off a sale at Impulse for $2.50, that which is about what it is worth. Civ4 was bad enough, but this? 2K/Firaxis or whoever makes the decisions at that place are little better than junk bond salesmen.

Play a concert and I will buy a ticket.

p.s. I am so glad i did pirate CIV V aswell because, guess what, i played it 2 times, and will not be tempted to do so again in a very long time,

i did however buy Elemental on the day it was released, and u guys know that it wasnot worth 50 bucks back than, and i was very disapointed, but still, i dont regret it because Stardock is putting in so much effort. the same cannot be said about 2k and Civ V, so i didnot steal anything, iam just not their costumer, cous their produckt SUX !

Most pirates aren't going to run out and fork out 60 dollars on a game because after pirating a game because it's good. I know some people say they do that, and some probably actually do, but I suspect most don't. You do have a point about this weird idea that a pirated copy equals a lost sale. It doesn't, and that's already been proven. There are, of course, perfectly legal torrents too. STO released it's beta client via torrent and it was hours faster than using their download service. I don't think the punishment dealing with copyright infringement fits the crime at the moment, not in comparison to other crimes that involve taking what doesn't belong to you. It's also like swatting at flies. I mean sure you can get a few but as soon as you get a few, more just seem to appear. The industries plan isn't working, except those in charge of fighting the good fight refuse to change course. I guess getting a pat on the back and forking out a lot of money for DRM schemes that don't work, is just better than finding a solution right? It's probably more fun to run around blaming pirates for everything too. Dear lord what would happen if a game failed and the industry couldn't blame pirates... heads would explode I am sure.

I agree with the comments about the level of punishment, hearing that somebody has downloaded a few songs and is now being threatened with fines in the order of thousands, tens of thousands, its just ridiculous. If I stole 3 of the same cd from a store, kept one copy and gave the other two to friends I'd at most be at risk of a $1000 fine for first offense. Ridiculous.

As far as high costs of games go, its up to the government, courts and companies to come up with a way thats best for everyone. The governments and courts make rules and impose fines that are realistic and workable to discourage piracy and the games companies to have a pricing system that results in a profitable business. It may be that lowering the cost doesn't result in more profit, it may result in less if sales don't increase to cover the price drop.

Its probably unrealistic to believe that internet piracy will disappear in the coming few years so games companies just have to rely on the honest people and the pirates will be a group that benefits without contribution. If the average games company or movie company survive then thats good for them and the pirates just get something for free. Unless some new way of enforcement or stopping illegal torrents occurs then what I have written is the unemotional reality and ranting and raving won't change it.

Personally I think it would be best if piracy didn't occur, but it does.