Okay, so I kept my mouth shut and waited for the great 1.1 patch; finally get it and less than 1 hour into my first game it CTDs.
I now really feel like the money I spent on this game was a complete waste and I will not be buying another Stardock product unless it has been out a year and half a dozen of my friends swear to how good it is.
I could have dealt with a much more modest revamp game play and balance-wise if it was *stable*! To have strung people along this long and put out something still this crash happy is just unbelievable.
Just remember, Elemental does do autosaves. So you can go back to where you were.
I've been playing complete games without any CTDs since v1.1 went out. No crashes. I'll keep an eye out for them but stupid AI stuff is what keeps me up at night at this point.
Do you expect to have to test all the games you buy, or do you just give Stardock a pass?
Honestly, having bought this game when it first came out, there's no way in heck we should still have to be submitting our debug files to clean up crashes. My crashes were becoming less common before the 1.1 betas started and then it has picked up again. Still getting crashes with 1.1. I have a fairly new computer with up to date drivers. It's silly.
The point is that the situation is what it is. Whining doesn't change it. Either help fix it or accept it. The developers have acknowledged the issues, have admitted they made mistakes, have been massively open about how and why they made the mistakes, and have posted on the forums many times per day to keep everyone informed of what is going on. The owner of the damn company has given us multiple mea culpas.
At this point if you don't have a clear understanding of the situation than you're just obtuse. The game is significantly better. If you think the potential is there for a great game (like I do) than stick around and help out. Sticking around and whining, while never posting a crash dump or bug report, is just polluting the air.
I'm not quoting dawgs4ever because I'm saying he's this way, because I don't think he is. His comment just made a good launching point for my point.
You can go to any game forum and you will find people who are having problems with the game that that forum is about. There will always be people who, for whatever reason, have technical issues with it. It's one of the down sides of the PC.
v1.1 isn't buggy or unstable for most people. I'm willing to personally help see what the issue is but to do that you need to provide some information.
Dude, submit your crash report. Every time your game crashes and you fail to report, you might as well be saying you like that crash and want to keep it.
These people have been asked repeatedly to just post a debug, yet they haven`t. If they paid attention at all they would know how responsive Stardock is to issues like this, yet they can`t be bothered to do the slightest constructive thing. I understand that Stardock tries to help everybody but you cannot please everyone. They are obviously just trolls.
Don`t Feed the Trolls.
Don't attribute to malice what could be simply stupidity. Honestly, i think rather than trolling, they are just clueless. They don't realize that the bug is probably a very narrow bug affecting only them, and that if they had submitted a report it would of been fixed months ago. Instead, Stardock must use ESP to determine the bug and fix it.
I never had a crash since 1.1 (other then OOM errors, which I got at turn 66 first and then became more common). I seem to have solved the issue by using "Large Address Aware.exe" as adviced in some old threads so elemental can use more RAM in my windows 7/32 bits and also using ProcessLasso (free version) to optimize my ram usage, this last program may not be critical though. Sometimes the game suffers some weird slowdowns periods (elemental using 90%+ of my quadcore), which I don't remember to be in the game previously (maybe because of the new threads?), but I have to admit it has been a long time, since I last played. Seems I missed an update to my display drivers, will have to try that as well and then play a long time to draw more conclusions maybe even try AtiTrayTools again and see if it helps, it made supreme commander playable for me back in the old days
Frankly as long as the game doesn't crash on saving or too often I don't mind it much. I'll send a report, when I get another crash as OOM errors don't seem to happen anymore. Anyways with all the third party programs I'm willing to test, it could mak emy reports meaningless...
Hope this helps someone
Sorry to disagree with your opninions since as soon as i saw you say "whining" is stopped reading it. Sure the game is more stable for enearly 99% of players (me included, and yes, I pulled that number out of my ass) but the game is more boring than before. In my last game, at turn 111 I decided I'd rather go spend time with my crazy familly than keep playing. That would have never happened with GalCivII... or a number ofother games I have on this box.
Time for a massive quantity of while I decide what I'd rather be playing to be entertained. Sorry, but tell me it isn't so with most of you as well.????
http://forums.impulsedriven.com/402566 has a good point brought up by xStarfirex
I have a fairly solid rig of a laptop, that runs everything else I have fine. Elemental does occasionally crash. It crashes about as frequently, as comparison, as early release versions of GCII. (GCII stopped crashing with your equivalent of the 1.1 update around 3-4 months post-release) I do not think my issues are unique.
The AI issues are a bigger concern though. Stability is an issue as well though.
I'd say for 1.2, if I was to set goals- it would be the following
a) Fix/improve the battle system
Improve the AI, which improving a) would help out here here
c) Improve Stability to where 99% of users can play to turn 500 without any crashes. (There needs to be a concrete goal here, even if it means having a closed test group for this)
I just came back to check if "blame the poster" was still in vogue here. Sure is. Thanks for proving my point.
2 months later and the forums are actually *worse*.
Awesome.
Awesome indeed.
I just plain do not like the game anymore. I was hoping with the 1.1 they would fix my 'grievances' but it only seemed to make it even less fun to play (In my Opinion). And I was really happy when I bought it that I was supporting Stardock, since they have done so much for the gaming community... but now I am just disappointed ; ;
This.
There's no need for this kind of attitude. You have the CEO of this company posting on your thread offering to help you fix whatever is causing the crash. Open your eyes. You have more support for this game than you realize.
All they need now is our patience. It's certainly your prerogative to either grant it or bail but I am willing to wait. The plan looks solid and they are executing. It's just a matter of time. Try out the mods if not already done so - they add spice to the vanilla package.
the probalem is todo with the 2gb limit i think. If you turn your graphics down a bit that will stop the crashes hopefully
Should I play this game again? i have not been on in months so... are the updates great
And the options are either get a 75% refund for not liking the game, or after working with support and not being able to resolve crashes, getting a 100% refund. sales@stardock.com has been posted many times on this forum.
The phrase "on a game that they think is crappy" shows more that a person doesn't like the game vs it's functionality. I've bought plenty of things I don't like, and I just learn my lesson and move on or return it if I can. Those are the options here if you don't want to stick around. So people can still go and buy your better game.
Consider the fact that most places don't allow returns of games, only exchanges, so the options here are a lot better than elsewhere. Elsewhere one's only option would be to learn from their mistake.
I understand that xStarfirex's post didn't start off the best way. But the last sentence is basically the only option you'd have had if you'd bought the game from a lot of places. Self entitlement is when a person feels they deserve something they don't, so stating that people have a sense of self entitlement to Elemental being a good functioning game when it was advertised as such is insulting to both those that want out and those that want to stick around.
I take offense at it myself because I believe I'm entitled to what was advertised, and I'm giving Stardock a chance to make good on their promise. That doesn't mean I think that I'm entitled to something I'm not - I feel I'm entitled to what I paid for and what's been promised.
No there is another option, complain on the forum and then move on. So stfu and let people do what they want to do.
Yeah, I was happy to wait. But now that I've read more of the direction they wish to take it, I don't think I will ever like it.
For one, right now resources are WAAAY to important. If I don't spawn near a mine or something, I fall so far behind the computer that they roll me like a scene kid at a rave. To me making a mad dash to grab all the good resources isn't strategy, it's a must.
But then again I am not a rush kiddy, and will never be, so as I said, this might not be the game for me that I was hoping it would be ; ;
*Edit: A refund? for a crappy game? Shoot, if that happened almost every game company would be out of business. Hell, Square would have a million returned copies of FFXIV, well, every FF they released lately... Maybe that's why there are a bajillion used copies of FFXIII at Gamestop...
I don't know. Take the new WoW expansion. I didn't like what it did to healing on my paladin. I tried it out for a few weeks, filed a petition to have my 3 month sub refunded and they even offered to let me send my game in for a refund. So I sent in my copy of the Cata expansion and got my $42.00 back. While I wasn't happy with the expansion, and I am kinda glad to have kicked the wow habit after 6 years. I am very happy with them being willing to refund an unhappy customer no questions asked. Blizzard is aces in my book for that. I love stardock too so don't take this comment out of context. But the point is they didn't have to do that, but they did.
. . . Really? Wow... I wish Square-Enix would do that -.- I can't stand either of their new games. But that was really nice of Blizzard and prolly quite rare for a company to do that.
Can we stop with the White Knighting now. Brad already admitted that there are reasons some people are currently experiencing problems. Just hoping that the next update corrects the big issues that are plaguing some people.
Ya basically when I shell out money for something that was broke at release and remains broke I definitely feel like I should also have to bug test it for free to on top of it. I think that's a reasonable position that people should definitely consider taking. Definitely shouldn't say mean things, that is super Unproductive, unlike spending time trying to fix garbage game I was scammed into buying in the hope that in some vague indeterminate future months after release I'll be able to squeeze a tiny iota of fun out of it.
It's okay. Everything is Fine. Elemental was always good game. We've always been at war with Eastasia.
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