Ok, so I decided to create a new Chatroom, because the old one was getting pretty....old!
Everyone may post here, as well as in the good'ol Flameroom...I mean, Chatroom
I would like to keep this Chatroom civilized. Well, as civilized as most forum threads are (doesnt mean that you all have to be polite like Oatesy, lol).
So for this reason, I may update the OP of this thread in the future, posting certain thread rules, as I see fit.
For now though, post away, and everyone is welcome!
Currently these users are banned:
- ArcticBlunder
Yep, they're flashlights.
I'm just going to vent now, just for once, because I know you guys understand.
What the fuck are they thinking?
I bet somebody watched the movie Aliens and saw the Colonial Marines and decided "Yeah mang, that's totally what the future soldier-mangs are gonna be like!"
That person should have his wiener punched.
That is a little extreme don't you think, because while it may be rather annoying, getting punched in the privates is VERY humiliating and painful.
Leniency upon the stupid leads down the road of destruction.
Anyone else been playing Skyrim lately?
-Twi
NOPE
I may have been playing a little too long. I'm a lv. 25 Argonian
True, but in that case I'm glad I'm not one of the stupid
Playing Skyrim day and night (I sleep on rare occasions, cause when I havent slept at all, I cant really function and play properly), currently level 38 Redguard - ironically named Redneck (lame I know), and allow me to say that Skyrim is the best RPG ever made, with Oblivion scoring second place.
And NO T. Storm, I am not back, just throwing a random post every now and then. (saw your reply though )
3:45 AM here atm, gotta go back to slaying dragons and absorbing their souls, laters
P.S. Elven Armor is freaking epicly beautiful, shame that it is "Light", and I have to resort to Daedric and Ebony, oh well, dark armors FTW I guess
I've actually been pondering this, and similar, subject(s) quite a bit lately- but I have to wonder:
Just how much would it cost to either purchase or commission a suit of armor, in the style of medieval plate (or perhaps a shirt of mail), in addition to a sword of appropriate size for myself- complete with specific engravings*.
Either way, I now desire to have a shirt of mail that I could inconspicuously wear. By God it would be devilishly hot in summer (thankfully it is winter at present), but it would be indescribably boss to approach some ne'er-do-well who decides to stab me and run off, only for his cheap switchblade to be broken off in my hauberk.
At which point I hit him in the face. Very, very hard. CUZ YOU DON'T STAB PEOPLE WITH MAIL AND GET AWAY WITH IT.
*in no particular order, the following features/sayings:
in Latin"All souls cry out for salvation""A life given in defense of others""I am unbreakable, for my burning faith sustains me""I am the Knight in Blood Soaked Raiment""I keep my vigil until I must meet God""I am the Champion of those whom I love""I am the Mail about His Fist, the Sword in His Hand, the Tip of His Spear""My Faith is my Shield, my Contempt is my Armor, my Hate is my Weapon""My Hurt is turned into Hate, my Fear is forged to Fury""I am the Shield of the Innocent, I am the Defender of the Weak""I fear no man, no evil, no power, for I am the servant of God"
Well, first of all, there are no branded suits of armor anymore, as you can understand (not that there used to be, but you know what I mean), meaning that no company produces this stuff and sells them anywhere, so if you were to purchase something like this, you'd have to find some old school blacksmith who is willing to make you one for a fee/cost, so basically it would be a unique custom build from scratch made just for you.
That said, there are still some blacksmiths like that who make these kind of things for a hobby, and they may or may not be willing to sell you some of the stuff for various prizes/costs. But overall, it really depends on the person who is willing to do this, the materials used for the armor (iron, steel, aluminum etc) and of course how many hours the blacksmith has to put into it. Same goes for the sword.
As for the chainmail, I really dont think these things are meant to take on direct hits from swords and big knives (straight hits with the end of the knife/sword), but I guess it could withstand a small switchblade's hit, if not too much force is used. Chainmails were meant to protect from sword swings, and usually could be pierced by arrows, spears and strong direct sword hits, so its not the perfect choice for protection, but obviously you arent going to be wearing a full metal plate armor and walk on the streets of our modern world, are you?
P.S. I definitely dont think the switchblade would break against some chainmail, as you said in your example, but it would be cool yeah.
You may have misunderstood me- I mean that the various sayings and phrases I listed would be engraved upon the armor and the sword. In Latin. Mostly because it'd be boss.
I actually found a site that sells various types of medieval armor sets, separate helmets, hauberks of mail, and swords- some of which are actually sharpened for cutting........ stuff*.
The mail, even in steel versions, is quite affordable......I suppose. Around 200-500 USD.
*I say "stuff" because it's unclear what it'd be good at cutting. I'm guessing that it's sharp enough that you could do VERY BAD THINGS to VERY BAD PEOPLE...........which also jives with the kind of person I am.
I do bad things to bad people.
Actually mail was quite robust- it only became a secondary armor type when high powered crossbows became available and cavalry charges started using lances. In the medieval world, any weaknesses, I think, would be more related to the natural weakpoints of the mail that would be a consequence of how the human body is arranged and the fact that a battle could last a long time- particularly compared to today. Having to wear armor for long periods was tiring- having to wear uncomfortable armor for long periods would be even worse!
That said, I do agree, walking around in full plate would be something I'd never get away with. Oh, yeah, and I'd have difficulty getting onto a bike, as well as difficulty riding a bike- which is important, as the job I currently hold is more-or-less "ride a bike around while doing other stuff"*.
BTW, mail is actually very good for protecting against small blades- after all, it generally requires a heavy piercing or slashing weapon (IE a polearm such as a spear or halberd, respectively), or a blunt impact weapon (like a mace, maul, or warhammer**) to effectively defeat. While a perpendicular slash can penetrate mail, such a strike is going to either be ineffective or impossible with a switchblade or a small knife that one might conceal upon their person.
*I'm heavily simplifying here.
**A hammer used as a weapon of war is actually called a 'warhammer'. You could probably get away with carrying a small sledgehammer in a bag and use it as a 'warhammer', I would think.
It's improbably but it can indeed occur- a story on a certain imageboard relates how a pen'n'paper roleplayer was drunk, and thus thought he was actually an 'awesome dwarf'. Someone tries to mug him by stabbing him. Said RP'er had mail on.
Long story short, switchblade snaps off in the mail, mugger freaks and runs off. Like a Boss, as they say.
Whoa, that would be even harder to make, and more expensive
Seems like a fair price(s).
It would also be really awkward if you were to sleep with a girl...and stuff
- "Hold on babe, I just gotta take off this steel armor first, it will only take a few minutes....oh dont worry its for...protection!"
- girl - " ....What about condoms?"
- "Uhm.... "
LOLZ
You are talking to an RPG maniac/fan/nerd here, you know that, right?
Next thing, you're gonna start explaining what a Greatsword is... /sarcasm
Heh, nice story. I guess you never know what might happen, but the main thing is that they cant hurt you with switchblades and small knives, yup.
... I don't think the police would be particularly pleased.
I like how you guys are all thinking this is so unique, when over in Olde Englande we wear plate armour to work.
This is just a little number which I wore for my work experience. You know, to make a good impression.
But for school we usually wear casual chainmail attire, with a mace or something. We don't have to be this smart all of the time.
My doing of bad things to bad people is heavily circumstantial, generally being a case of "you try to hurt my friends/family/'those whom I love' I do extremely unpleasant things to you".
The amount of win in this statement is epic.
LUCKYYYYYY! In America, we never get to wear a mace to school. They frown on it, can you believe that!
Just wanted to make a distinction between a warhammer and Warhammer/40K. Also for the people who don't know so much about medieval history or aren't RPG maniac/fan/nerd peeps.
Historically there never was a 'greatsword'- there were arming swords, which were very similar and used by knights, and German mercenaries had groups within their ranks who wielded the monstrous zweihander (pronounced 'zvay-hander'; literally 'two-hander') swords, which are to date the largest swords ever used*.
Food for thought, no?
*Zweihanders were typically used against enemy pikeman formations- the immense length and size (and consequently reach) of the zweihander allowed it to be used effectively against a pike or halberd wielder, typically be employed to cut off the blades of said polearms.
*snip subsequent awkward section*
Well............since such activities would be reserved for my wife, when I am eventually married*, the other type of protection you mention would be unnecessary.
It's also worth noting that a hauberk, which extends to the mid-thigh or knees, and has full-length sleeves, would be the specific type of mail shirt you refer to- a haubergeon wouldn't be nearly so difficult to remove, as it's sized closer to a 'normal' T-shirt.
As such, a haubergeon would be much better for casual wear.
*You haven't heard about my guitar friend yet, have you?
In the case of the armor, it may require that I take up some kind of smithywork myself- especially since it would be very convenient and useful for the plate armor to be bulletproof- or at least, with the addition of a hauberk, requiring the use of high-powered and/or armor piercing ammunition to penetrate.
Because it could totally happen that as I drive home from volunteering at a renaissance fair that I hear that a couple of friends are being held hostage at a bank or something, and then I can use my manly armor and big sword to go do bad things to bad people.
Yes, I would totally do that. And it'd be because my friends are in danger. Even without armor or weapons of any kind, equipped with nought but my bare hands, I would do it.
Yup- especially as the steel mails that are offered are actually made to be usable for protection in reenactments that have actual weapons- generally blunt, but IIRC several said they were 'rated', if you will, against impacts from sharp blades.
LOL Snipe
I think you mean you'd WISH to wear these things to work/school, but yeah, I can believe that you could wear these things on special occasions, like a British parade sort of thing.
How could anyone mistake a warhammer weapon for the actual game Warhammer 40k, given our current discussion?
LOL, I knew you were gonna do that.
But does it really matter if they used to call them "Greatswords", "Zweihanders" (which even means two-hander like you said), or whatever?
Greatsword generally refers to a two-handed sword, which due to its size and weight, is nearly impossible to use with one hand properly. Its more of a category, than a name for the weapon, just like Longswords and Crossbows.
He he, I like how you censored my little...joke/story
And tbh I was referring to heavy armor, because we were talking about "full metal plate armor" as I originally said in my post which you quoted.
So yeah, the Hauberk would be the way to go in that situation
Guitar friend? I didnt catch the last one
Yeah, then you'd be a walking tank...at the speed of a turtle.... Literally!
I'd like to see you walk for 400 meters in that plate + hauberk armor.
It could also totally happen that terrorists might attack in your neighborhood, and you are the only person capable of dealing with them, no SWAT or anything else around, and at the same time, a gang of bikers appears that want to rob you, and then a riot breaks loose, with the people on the streets vandalizing everything, and then the military comes in, and decides to kill everyone who isnt with them, and then a Meteorite falls to the area, and you would have to deal with all that!
Uhm...you cant actually wear a mace, since its a hand-held weapon, you could hold or equip it though...
Actually no- plate armor, while heavy, didn't necessarily impede the mobility of the wearer. Such a misconception is mostly due to the much heavier armor that was used for jousting tournaments- and, while it could require assistance to mount the horse (a small step was indeed required, though no crane was needed as some people think) whilst in the armor, it was also only worn for a short duration.
It's also worth noting that it would be FREAKING SCARY for someone to see some guy in full plate armor, with a giant sword, walking (or running, actually) at them, shrugging of gunfire like it's a gnat's bite.
I'm sure you'll agree with that sentiment.
Also, I'd look so boss, and I could probably have a job at a renaissance fair.
AP rounds would punch through it like kung fu master punches through wooden boards. But against plain old ball ammunition, and particularly the kinds that can be bulk purchased, well, I imagine it would provide quite good protection- particularly against shotguns and pistols, which are going to be the preferred weapons of many thieves of opportunity.
You know what I meant.
It's a bit of a long story.
So yeah, around a year ago a friend introduces me to this other friend of his, who is rather obviously a girl considering my previous notations on such subjects. This friend happens to play the guitar, though that's not really what drew me to her- it just happens to be a simple, helpful moniker.
Also, ANONYMOUS.
So anyways [let's get down to the nitty-gritty], near the end of July 2011, we go to a high school summer camp. I pretty much realize that, probably since the day I first met her, I've had a major crush on her. So a couple weeks after we get back from camp, I approach her, tell her how I feel, and am promptly told, and I quote, "Oh, that's so sweet- but I only see you as a friend".
feelsbadman.jpg
I'm pretty sure we're still friends- because of my job requiring me to work every other Sunday, the day I generally got to see her, it's hard. Currently I'm in the process of writing a lengthy letter to her.
Which I invented, also having a "guitar friend."
How sweet...
Not to criticize your methods or anything (oh wait, that's exactly what I am about to do)
Letters are extremely impersonal and you lose a ton of emotion or feeling that could have been conveyed through conversation...
BE SURE THAT YOUR LETTER IS EXPRESSING THE CORRECT EMOTION!
Buuuuuuullshit. Plate armour went out of fashion due to the improvements in the field of firearms centuries ago. You wouldn't stand a chance against a modern firearm wearing even the best-made suit of armour.
Errm... I'm not sure if you missed the joke or if this is a secondary joke, but never mind.
And Whiskey, do you have her phone number? If you're on terms suitable for such an exchange, then just call her and say that you felt like having a chat, seeing as you hadn't spoken in a while. Don't make it too personal, and try to read the signs. A letter is a bit too formal (and deep) in the modern world. I know that if I got a letter out of nowhere from a friend I'd find it a bit weird! I'd say go for the phone call, or even just contact her on facebook (if you have facebook and she's a friend) and say you felt like getting in contact having not spoken to her in a while.
It "impedes" the weight of the wearer though, and thus their mobility. Try running with 40-50 kilograms of weight locked on you, then tell me that it "doesnt impede the mobility of the wearer"
Yes, I agree, it would be BAWS
Yeah, it could withstand all these hits, even better than a kevlar vest, I would say.
As for pistols, try a .50 cal Desert Eagle, I'd say it would be a little bit more powerful than you'd want
Of course I do, just took advantage of the chance to correct your error
Ouch!
Now, if only you could take off that arrow that pierced your heart....where is that pesky ol' cupid? He is responsible I say!
O-oh, love letter on the horizon Am-I-right?
I should have known that this weird title came from the even weirder Limey Man!
Kudos to you then, my friend
That is so true, and the worst part is, some girls tend to show these letters of affection to their friends, and be all like "look how much he likes me! Isnt that really sweet?", and then you lose all the privacy you thought you had, by writing a letter.
I want to also add that even though its far better to say these things in person, one may be a little too embarrassed or not have the courage to do so. So if you cant do it in person, whats left? A letter, or a text message (SMS), or an IM so on so forth.
That is not true. It really depends on the materials used for the armor a lot more than you think. Sure, if you use Iron or Steel the way they used to make them - which is forged metal with A LOT of impurities- you are going to get creamed even by a cheap 9 mm handgun. But if you use good materials, not necessarily expensive, with little or no impurities as well, then you can withstand low power firearms like Whiskey said.
Also, do I need to mention Kevlar and Titanium ?
Oh, BTW, plate armor went out of fashion because bulletproof vests appeared, because there was absolutely no sense at all wearing full body armor that covers the knees, the feet, the hands, etc, and making yourself tank-heavy, when 90% of shots are on the torso, which needs the most protection. So yeah, lightweight, Kevlar vests ARE so much better.
I didnt miss the joke, but I always love to do this, did you forget already?
Not that kind of letter.
You never know. Most of what I'd hope it would protect against is common pistol ammunition. An assault rifle would turn it into tissue paper posthaste, yeah.
I don't have hers, but I plan on giving her mine- though it's more because, for a while now, I felt a desire to give her some kind of rapid contact information and inform her that if she needs any kind of help at all, I will do my best to aid her.
What? She's my friend.
I really really really want to arrange some kind of regular meet with her. I simply have not been able to as yet.
I'm sorry, but I've already gone over that horizon............this 'guitar friend' of mine, is, after all, the person whom I trust the most in this world.
There's things I'd feel comfortable sharing with her that I wouldn't even dare to talk about to you guys- and you're 'closer' to me than most, probably due to ANONYMOUS POWAHS.
I have Facebook, she does not. Ergo, no-go.
You know what I meant, I'm sure- that it did not make a properly trained knight overly slow and clumsy. Particularly before the development of plate armor, when mail was the standard protection of the knights.
I will now gently point out that a Desert Eagle .50 AE handgun is a highly impractical, and exceedingly expensive, weapon to employ. If only for the fact that both gun and ammunition are very expensive (the pistol runs ~2000 USD, easily enough to get at least one assault rifle- more if purchased through illicit channels, I'd wager).
Combined with the excessive weight and recoil of the weapon, it's very impractical unless you're going to shoot a bear with it, in which case the question becomes "how the [CENSORED] did you let a [CENSORED] bear get that [CENSORED] close to you you [CENSORED]!"
FUCK CUPID- oh dear, I seem to have momentarily lost control of myself. Forgive me for my outburst. That being said, it's getting 'better'.
Dragon Age II is a hell of an emotional anesthetic.
Nope.
She doesn't seem the type. There's also the minor issue in that I intend to deliver it anonymously (somehow.......anybody know a good way to link a license plate number to an address, you know, that doesn't cost money and won't be traced by the plate holder?), and enclose my phone number- either she figures it out, and calls me, or she doesn't, and is curious, and calls me anyway.
Not so much a "lack of courage" as a "lack of time".
True, true.
Also, mail has been semi-revived in the form of the highly-advanced (and incredibly protective!) Dragon Skin body armor.
I bet he did.
Also morph, for you:
I find the following line particularly poignant and descriptive:
Feel this heart, beatin' inside, wishin' it was yours but it's gotta be mine.
*Ahem* Xer07 and Mishayla *AHEEM*
Mail is another story, its a lot lighter than full plate armor, and I am pretty sure you arent a big muscular trained knight, no offense of course
It was just an example, silly
LOL @The bear joke
Chill out lol
You meant that your heart is getting better?
Thought so.
Anonymous Love Letter!!! he he
About the license plates and address, unless you have a cop friend, I dont see it being done legally and without costing money.
Ok, seriously now: You want to write her an anonymous letter, to see if she will figure out its you, AND to call you without you having to call her? You also want to find out her address without - you know- her actually giving you her address?? Whats the deal here? This is like ultra-strange
Basically you want her phone number and address, and you want those things without her willingly and knowingly giving them to you...right?
Are you sure about that?
I think you play too much Dragon Age, my friend!
Really good song, even those its not exactly the type of songs I usually listen to
Hmm, where did Altaux, Xer07 and Shiro have gone? Did they all leave this place for good?
As for Storm and IFear, looking at the previous page I see that they post occasionally, but really, what's happened since I've been gone? Give me the short version if possible
Just a little update would be nice.
There are many great features available to you once you register, including:
Sign in or Create Account
