Ok, so I decided to create a new Chatroom, because the old one was getting pretty....old!
Everyone may post here, as well as in the good'ol Flameroom...I mean, Chatroom
I would like to keep this Chatroom civilized. Well, as civilized as most forum threads are (doesnt mean that you all have to be polite like Oatesy, lol).
So for this reason, I may update the OP of this thread in the future, posting certain thread rules, as I see fit.
For now though, post away, and everyone is welcome!
Currently these users are banned:
- ArcticBlunder
Awwww...
How did whiskey catch up to me in karma?
Who the what now?
Prince?
Ok
I live in the US...
The Prince doesn't even exist in my world...
He means this guy.
Who is that guy? He looks kinda wussy.
Ask your mom.
It's Prince William who's getting married, and no, he isn't the guy in the picture.
And he's getting married to some woman called Kate Middleton.
Yes, I know but I had to troll the others.
If that's the case, then I'm sure this Prince William, who very suspiciously has my same first name (and I've not even met a "Kate Middleton"!), would be able to put the whup-down on the wuss-man picture Ryat posted.
No, you didn't have to. You simply chose to on the basis it would provide further entertainment for yourself. I'm not saying it's a bad thing, mind you (trolling is FUN!), just that you did indeed have the option not to troll us.
The picture I posted was of the music artist of the 80's Prince.
And you are right, I didn't have to. But I wanted to.
That would explain his wussy-ness, then.
lol
never liked the guys music myself but he was/is very popular
WHISKEY!
Tell me something interesting about an American gun!
Actually, change of plan. Want to see some Wikipedia-based bullshit?
It says that the G36's barrel length is 480 mm. Fair enough, I wouldn't know personally.
It then says that the G36's muzzle velocity is 920 m/s. Again, sounds reasonable.
Then its max effective range is... 800m. Lies! Deceitful lies!
800m is what, 2625 ft?
I could see that as being okay.
I could very well expect it to have a maximum point-target effective range on that size. Keep in mind, however, that even though the G36 fires NATO-standard size 5.56mm rounds, it loads a specific German-produced cartridge. So it could be down to ammunition type.
Of course, the other thing to remember is that you're not going to actually hit something at that distance unless you have the standard optical sight (which is apparently graduated to 800 meters) and are an at least competent marksman.
As an aside, why is it particularly offensive to you that it would have such range? Is it because the British L86's have a longer barrel and shorter range, perhaps? If that's the case, chalk it up to weapon design/construction, and munition loading.
L86's have an 800m range according to many sources including myself. But yes the L86 has a longer barrel.
And I still see many people saying that the L85 has a range of 500/600 metres with SUSAT sight, further confusing the definition which we didn't make for effective range.
Anyway, look at the M16's entry on the same website.
Barrel length: 508 mm
Muzzle Velocity: 948 m/s
And now quoted directly from the website: 550 Meters (point target), 800 Meters (area target)
So... Does the G36's 800m range for point targets, or for area targets? And do sights make a difference? Could you reliably hit a target at 800m with iron sights centered to 200m Whiskey? Or is it as Morph thought, that it's to do with bullet drop? So Ryat, what do you think decides effective range?
Ah, the L86 part of my post was meant to be L85. Either way, it's kinda the same.
Anyways, I personally probably couldn't do it, but that's because I don't have any marksmanship training. I could see a German infantryman trained with the weapon capable of doing it, though.
However, I think that sights do make a difference, by allowing full physical limitations to be reached. Like with the G36's 800-meter range, you aren't doing that with the iron-sight option available for the rifle. Slap on the standard G36 sight that the German Army uses, and it's graduated to 800 meters, so I'd assume that it is indeed possible to hit something at that distance.
Part of the reason is that HK could probably get a lot of flak if they were to have the sight graduated in 200-meter increments, to a range of 800 meters, and it not be capable of handling that range in the standard-variant of the G36.
Sights used, speed of bullet, target (just the body or a part like the head?) even the barrel and can moderate that decision. Don't know how the specifics works as my education in guns is limited.
I think it's impossible to gauge effective range fairly as well. And no, I'm not just saying this because MOD has its metaphorical head up its metaphorical rear orifice half the time, including when they put figures on their website
After all, you'd need someone who's been trained to an equal level on every firearm tested to pull the trigger in the exact same conditions etc, etc.
Basically impossible. So we settle for a figure based on... what?
Suppose it depends from tester to tester, and on what you want.
Meanwhile, the shooting team that I am part of at my school is 4th in its division in our first ever time in a league, and we're hoping to push into 3rd. Not only that, but I've upped the heat in the competition for best junior team shooter with a solid score of 97 (at worst) in the last round of the competition. Means that I'm guaranteed second, and will be first if my friend doesn't equal or beat that score (his average after last round was the same as mine).
So, Crysis 2 is now out, and I had it on pre-order, so I now have the aforementioned game.
Anybody else played it or the original (or Warhead)? I'm a long-standing Crysis fan; I've got the entire series.
Nope. Never played it.
But I have been becoming increasingly obsessive about Games Workshop's specialist games.
Especially Battlefleet Gothic and Epic Armageddon.
If only I could find the AdMech list and the Tunneler stats for Epic Armageddon. Then I would be a happy....techpriest, yeah.
AdMech=WIN.
google is your friend
MY GOD, IT WORKED!
I tried to before, but I suppose what I did wrong was the search entry.
Mostly anyways. I still haven't found the rules for the Hellbore tunneler.
Electrically charged armour is a recent development in the United Kingdom by the Defence Science and Technology Laboratory.[13][14][15][16][17][18][19] A vehicle is fitted with two thin shells, separated by insulating material. The outer shell holds an enormous electrical charge, while the inner shell is at ground. If an incoming HEAT jet penetrates the outer shell and forms a bridge between the shells, the electrical energy discharges through the jet, disrupting it. Trials have so far been extremely promising, and it is hoped that improved systems could protect against KE penetrators. Developers of the Future Rapid Effect System (FRES) series of armoured vehicles are considering this technology.[citation needed]
Hmm...
Can it really be that Britain has invented another clever armour-related thingie (technical term)?
Oh yeah, I read that article a while ago while researching vehicular armor designs for plausible near-future armored vehicles. It's a cool idea.
The name makes it sound like some kind of forcefield or energy shield. I swear we're going more and more sci-fi nowadays. What next, invisible tanks? You heard it here first folks.
Actually, they're probably already looking into it.
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