Ok, so I decided to create a new Chatroom, because the old one was getting pretty....old!
Everyone may post here, as well as in the good'ol Flameroom...I mean, Chatroom
I would like to keep this Chatroom civilized. Well, as civilized as most forum threads are (doesnt mean that you all have to be polite like Oatesy, lol).
So for this reason, I may update the OP of this thread in the future, posting certain thread rules, as I see fit.
For now though, post away, and everyone is welcome!
Currently these users are banned:
- ArcticBlunder
Have some SAS footage.
Name of a song too cool for you to handle.
No, Dog is Alyx's; of course, I think everyone who's played Half Life 2 has figured out that there's probably some kind of relationship (friends or something else, who knows) between Gordon and Alyx.
This makes Dog an ally to Gordon, but Dog is primarily at the behest of Alyx.
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Richtig.
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Was ist los?
randomness FTW.
... Du bist lustig, aber ein bisschen ungerade.
For the King!
For the Sake of Skyrim!
No spreckins deh German.
WUT KING? Hoo's Skyrim?
Du hast Deutsch nicht sprechen?
Then I'll have to speak English.
So I've been away from the forums for a few days, I apologize for that.
But its good to see that you guys didnt let this thread die like the rest, he he
Right....so lets get in bussiness:
Well, I meant it more like: 1 Marine soldier >>>>> 1 army soldier, but yeah, sometimes size (or better say population) DOES matter.
But if the US were to send, say, 1000 men into war, Marines would be much more effective than the Army.
Basically, the Marines are the tip of the spear, like I said.
1. Sure thing buddy. Keep telling yourself that Too bad we cant find proof about anything regarding 9/11, but then again, if we could, we would prove that the 9/11 was in fact executed by CIA, supported by the US government of course.
Anyway, the 9/11 was not a terrorist attack, it didnt have to do with the Al-Qaenta, the Taliban, or any other "terrorist" group that is believed to be out there, it was one big fat propaganda, and it was 100% a success. Good work, good work indeed
2. Even if somehow we could accept that the 9/11 was a terrorist attack (which it wasnt, but w/e), that wasnt an invasion. Quite far from it actually. In fact, these planes killing people in US soil, could only be expressed as a couple of flies/bees stinging a big Tyranosaur Rex. The thing barely even felt the stings, while it was busy killing and eating the weaker, smaller dinosaurs. See what I mean?
"Really, the security issue is that there are small groups who happen to hate America for whatever reason"
For whatever reason!!! LOLZ
Dude, are you serious here?
Ok, first of all, the whole "some certain groups of people who hate america" thing, is really backed up and supported by the US government. Why? You dont know why? Because that fits in their plans, serves their purposes, and help them keep doing what they're doing.
To be more specific, giving an example: When there are so-called terrorists, somewhere in Irak or Afghanistan (for instance), where happens to be certain valuable resources in that country, like oil, and these terrorists hate America, and want to destroy it, for whatever reason, the USA doesnt need any more excuses than this, to go in there, kill people, destroy everything, steal resources and everything valuable, and then rebuild everything, allowing its big multinational companies to literally take over the country.
Yeah, these people are god damn crazy. I dunno why the hell they hate america so much
Damn, I wish I could explain everything to you Whiskey, but I cant. You see, its a waste of my time, since you're not going to believe anything anyway.
3. First of all, there are no bad guys, there's a bad society. Secondly, there's no need to kill anyone, especially the "bad guys". The "bad guys" like you say, are not problems of our society, and shouldnt be handled as such. They are in fact mere symptoms of our society, and not only we arent even attempting of eliminating the roots of the problems that caused these symptoms, but instead we are treating them with force, fighting fire with fire, trying to heal an open would with a small bandage, ignoring the fact that these wounds are only a side effect of internal bleeding, and the body is slowly dying from it.
Hope you got that metaphor. If you did, then you know exactly what I mean.
So, an efficient killer, and an inefficient killer, are essentially, literally, the same thing. They are both killers, and thats what matters. They believe that by taking someone elses life, will bring peace and prosperity, or happiness, or solve a problem, or do something good in the long term. That is 100% false. Do I REALLY need to explain why?
In fact, we are all killers, and nobody is a killer at the same time. Kudos if you know what I mean.
4. Whiskey, honestly: Do you really want to go in a debate on whether the "terrorists" have done more evil/killed more people, than the USA? Please, dont even go there, because A. The US government have cause more harm in the world that any other "terrorist" group, and B. I would have to really lower my level of intelligence in order to start blaming certain groups of people, trying to decide which of them are good and which are bad.
Please, the US government and every government in the world care about only 2 things: More power, and maintaining and holding their position.
The US president isnt elected to change anything, he is placed there to keep things are they are. Keep his country at the top (maintain and hold position), and give it more power if possible.
And I have no idea why people are so brain-washed to think that there is any form of freedom in our current society. Maybe its because we have created the best self-destruct system ever, that not only will lead to our extinction really fast, but also makes us support it.
Everything in our currect society makes absolutely no sense at all. From the most basic things, to the smallest details.
But you know what bothers me the most? People have such little trust in others, that not only they wont believe anything other than what they've taught or manipulated to believe (thus keeping a close mind), but also they dont even want to hear anything else that is outside of their little bubble. Thinking outside the box is, for some reason, the worst thing that can happen to them. But then comes along social manipulation and forms of mass scale propaganda, and thats a different story.
Anyway, it all comes down to this:
1. What do humans need to survive?
2. And how can we ensure survival but living a prosperous life, minimizing pain and suffering?
3. Make up our minds and do it.
Yes, it is that simple in theory. The only problem is that it usually takes a very long time for a society/culture to move on to the next level.
And right now, we are in a transition phase, but the problem is, that we are stuck in that phase for far too long. From the Ancient times of uncivilized and technologically poor man, to the Iron Age, the Dark Ages, the Industrial Revolution, to what we have now. Which is, technological advancement of the next era to come, but social and mental advancement of the previous era.
Let us hope that this thing is only a phase, that will pass, and that sometime we will advance as a society, civilization, and a species, eventually. If we dont exterminate ourselves/the planet in the process, that is
They are not part of life, they are part of our species' society, and we accept that, because we have been taught that "thats the way it is", or "there are some bad people that only want to do harm to the world".
Ah, but killing is a part of life; people must kill animals for food and clothing, and Cain did kill Abel.
Now, Cain killing Abel was wrong, very wrong. But there are some cases where killing is right. You can't rehabilitate a Ted Bundy. Because, like it or not Morph, there are people who only want to do harm to the world. They probably don't see it that way (see Ted Bundy), but their actions dictate their intentions far more clearly than words ever could.
As an aside, I say "for whatever reason", because I don't really know all the reasons one would have for hating/desiring destruction of America. Really, my statement was a broad generalization meant to include religious, political, and ideological reasons for desiring destructive actions towards the US.
Now, most of my points weren't a "I'd like to debate this", but "I believe this and I believe it supports my position". The fact is Morph, I doubt we'll ever see a human-built unified, warless government. It's simply impossible for a human society to build.
Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this because I look at society today and conclude that it's the best we'll manage. I'm saying this because of the fact that building a huge, one-government society would be prohibitively expensive and extremely difficult to the point of impossibility to manage.
There's at least 8 billion people on this planet. Eventually, we'll probably be on other planets, and that would only make it a bigger problem, especially because of lightspeed lag. Did you know that it takes about four minutes for a light beam fired from Earth to hit Mars? And that it takes a laser 1.5 seconds to hit the Moon when fired from Earth?
Communications and mobility has, generally speaking, determined the extent a government can control. Communications can allow us to talk to anyone anywhere in the world with probably no more than a single second's delay, and the delay is for sound, and not information transfer.
In contrast, mobility dictates that no single country could control the planet, because we simply do not have the technology to do a massive, hours-or-less transport of large quantities of military or peacekeeping forces. Sure, we have the ability to airlift a whole bunch of equipment and manpower to anywhere in the world, but it's not enough for an invasion, and such aircraft are enormous, in both size, maintenance requirements, and cost. A C-5 transport jet can carry a single Abrams battle tank. To transport fifty tanks, you therefore need fifty C-5s. Said planes cost a lot more than the tanks.
For a civilization that stretches over our Solar System, for example, any single government would have to be capable of sending some kind of peacekeeping force anywhere in the system. This is hampered by communications lag, because it could be anywhere from minutes to hours between the time a message is sent and received. Then you have even more lag due to spacecraft traveling very much slower than light.
Also, current trends are predicting a more and more balkanized Earth, and not a unified one.
As a side note Morph, what exactly do you believe is the best government model? Because from everything I can tell, it's something that's roughly similar to communism.
Oooh... Conspiracy theories. We're edging this into dodgy ground.
Just like how the moon landings were faked.
And how Elvis is still alive.
And how the Government lies to us. Wait a second...
Also, didn't Al-Queada take responsibility for the attack? It probably wasn't actually done by members of Al-Quaeda, but they still claimed responsibility.
Anyway, we didn't like Saddam, and we also knew that Bin-Laden and some other Al-Queada high-ups were hiding in Afghanistan, which they were (though they got away due to a well-coordinated fuck-up) so yeah. War it was. Saddam claimed he had WMDs as well, from memory, which was pretty stupid, because it gave a great excuse to invade. Not that one was actually needed of course, but some people are more comfortable thinking that their people stopped some nutter from nuking America. Of course, soldiers don't need such assurances, because they serve their country, regardless of cause. If they weren't happy with it they would/should have left the army.
Anyway, with my pseudo-fascist rant over, why are we even talking about this again?
PS: Despite my earlier naive beliefs of "good" and "bad," you can define America not as the "bad" guys, but simply doing what it pleases, and the terrorists doing what they please.
It's happy birds and flowers land. Everybody has everything they want provided for them whenever they want, etc.
Somehow we'll have solved all our energy problems, nobody will be violent, and everybody will be willing to put themselves in danger to save others.
And all thanks to the Morph-patented instinct-removal pill! Just take one and you'll be identical to everybody else! Hooray!
But now for the serious bit of my post. It won't work.
Yeah Communsim is a good idea, but doesn't work in practice.
Also Oatesy you speak German? I'm a little german
Oh and Morph I beleive that the army soldiers are more effective than the marines. The only purpose of the marines are a quick strike and amphibous assault ( I could be wrong, I'm not a 100%)
Marines
Army
Navy
Airforce
I don't mean to be disrespectful but they are funny
Well, of course it won't work. It's not that the idea isn't internally inconsistent, it's that the idea isn't consistent with reality. People aren't going to suddenly give up the idea that having to work for money to buy nice things is a good idea.
Which, as it so happens, it is.
If the Marines one wasn't Marines, I'd find it funny. As it stands, it's a case of, "yeah, you should get punched in the face".
The others, however, I now desire to have larger resolution versions. BTW, the plane in the Navy pic is a US Marine Corp Harrier jump jet.
Funny that. The US Navy gives the best office views of Marine Corp planes.
ok i didn't know that the Harrirer was a marine corps plane. Any way the marines do rely on the Navy (my favorite branch) and vice versa.
Whiskey do you dislike me?
Oh more Godzilla
I don't like you, but I have no particular dislike for you. I find you to be similar to an immature teenager, but meh, the internets are filled with immature teenagers.
He is a fanatical defendant of the USMC. Of course he hates you and your lilly-livered, behind-bashing weakling US Army.
Anyway, I found most of those pictures funny. Peace through superior firepower was just true, and I've heard it so many times before. Moving on.
Did you know that the USMC is bigger than the entire British Army? In fact, it's a self-contained army in its own right.
Whiskey me immature i'm, i'm
Oatesy where do you find these facts?
What, the random crap I come out with?
From all over the place. And I'm pretty sure that that's true.
Isnt that becuase America is bigger than Britain in terms of population?
I don't know the full reason, but that must play a part in it. I was just pointing out how the USMC is huge.
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