Well soccer said that he could play tonight I thought but not tomorrow. Anyway I don't see much of a point in picking anyone up because if we don't have soccer there no chance we will be beating mcorchenz. It is pretty retarded to make this final four a must play this week seeing as EVERY FUCKING SCHOOL HAS FINALS WEEK INCLUDING MINE AND SOCCERS. Now some of us don't study as much as others (me) but handing out DQ's because we care about school is pretty gay. If soccer can't play then I am not going to bother getting slaughtered by mcshane orchin and renz with some pug on our team. So in other words I wont play unless soccer can.

What a shitty way to end something that could of been good. It all comes down to circumstance rather then whos team is better then whos. Congratz on the glorious win McOrchenz.... you guys earned it!

Thank you, glad to see some appreciation around here finally. 

I really don't want to see any game played with an alternate or a dq because that would just be a really fucking stupid way to end this tourney.

I agree.

Well, here is my stance:

1 aspect of this tournament has been more frustrating and disappointing than any other:  scheduling.  I was somewhat amazed at how difficult it was to get anything scheduled with any team as it seemed like there was a general refusal to simply pick a specific time and show up then.  Everyone seemed to decide that just show up and hope someone is on was the way to handle things.  This led to many days wasted - just waiting around in the hopes of getting games in.  And when we finally had an opportunity to get a game in, sometimes teams would refuse to play, etc. Anyway, its been a somewhat lousy experience, generally brought about players refusing to set times and show up.  Players refusal to schedule or organize their best to make things work led to a fairly unsatisfactory experience.  An experience we won't be repeating in this format again - at least, not without a set schedule.  

Some background as to why we are where we are at right now:  there was about a 1 month lull where no matches occured.  And why did no matches occur?  People wouldn't schedule or their teammates proved to be extremely unreliable.  The logical conclusion to me?  End the round robin portion of our tourney and proceed.  Who was playing their games anyway at this point?  No one.  And why not simplify things more by disqualifying any team that more than likely would not play/schedule their games in the finals instead of going through the motions, hoping someone would show up, only to slow down the tournament more.  

What's the rush?  Well, I do want to make it clear that the world doesn't revolve around or-chin.  This whole trying to wrap things up this week was in part, because he indicated he'd be unavailable for some time after Friday or Saturday of this week.  This was something he gave a heads up for 3-4 weeks ago and was a pretty reasonable request.  Now, had ANY team actually bothered to get games in during that time, things would have progressed to the final 4 stage a little sooner.  But that said, it would likely have been a bit more prudent to end the round robin part of our tourney a few weeks earlier when it was somewhat clear that games weren't being played.  In addition, it is finals week for a good portion of the people in the final 4 - eg, the timing for a push to end this tournament isn't so good.

As it stands, if mcshane/jona do not play their game by midnight tonight, whichever team was unavailable tonight would be disqualified.  The same goes for pacov/zen.  And the way it looks, at least 2 teams would likely be disqualified tonight... if not all by thursday as the final game was to take place then.  I think we can all agree that it would be an exceptional waste to have to dq all but 1 team and is about as anti-climactic as you can get.  

So, here's what's going to happen.  As much as I would prefer to end the endless tourney, we will not be disqualifying any team this week.  There are several ways to proceed, but unfortunately, none of the options that end the tournament soon as all that fair (but I'll list them anyway).  We could end the tourney on thurs as planned, but like I mentioned, that results in dqs.  We could extend the tournament another 2 weeks, but that forces or-chin's team to pick up an alternate (eg what my team would have to do this week), which would reduce their odds of winning.  We could delay until the magic day of or-chins return and then schedule the final games then (eg, this tourney will be on like another 2 month break), or last, we could do a hybrid of that last option, where my team will play zen god some time in the near future and if possible, jona's team would play mcshane's team tonight (not holding my breath).  Then, we just have the final game when or-chin comes back.

Anyway, sorry for the added stress here, fellas.  Some of us are not quite as keyed into finals as those of you that actually have them for some reason.  So, bottom line, there really isn't a fair way to end the tournament this week and I think we are in agreement there.

Let's discuss the options I listed.

edit - AND hedgies suggestion.

Why do we have to wait for Orcun to come back?

We don't. 

Orcun did post that he was going to leave, so he can certainly get some lee-way about that this week and regarding this absurdly long 3 month tournament. But... the world doesn't revolve around him, you, me, or pacov. Ultimately, if we do what I suggested, we'll just pick some weekend to do things and that'll be that. Whoever decides is going to be the one who runs the tourney will pick the weekend and that will be that. 

If you aren't available... sorry? 

Why do we have to wait for Orcun to come back?  Would you expect the NFL to hold the playoffs without the Patriots? If we want a fitting end to this tournament then obviously we have to wait.  But with what's happening now I don't want the round robin money.  I don't think Orcun or Renz care about $15 or whatever it is either.  Not worth creating a paypal account for.  Since cow's scared to play if soccer isn't there than we call this a round robin tournament which we won but there's no prize.  Go ahead and make plans for the next tournament whether Orcun is back or not.

Right, so scared it is.  However you want to frame the situation, scared is what it comes down to.  It doesn't matter though now does it. 

No I'm not sure, but actually send my share to Renz.  I know for Orcun and myself it was more about winning after we bombed in the last tournament but I'm not going to speak for him.