I find this to be an interesting story, and from the beginning I knew there was something else going on aside from just a so-called community center going in near ground zero.
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Follow the Shariah Index Project to solve the puzzle of the 6 mystery floors: We found two hidden websites with copiously deleted information, all about the Imam’s Cordoba Institute Shariah Index Project. For reference, here’s the Imam’s most recent hidden website (also available here as a pdf). And here’s the Imam’s earlierhidden website (also available here as a pdf). The information on those websites – information that the Imam tried to hide with a new whitewashed version – suggests that the six mystery floors of the Ground Zero Mosque will be dedicated to the Imam’s long-term goal: the Shariah Index Project, designed to benchmark Shariah compliance, to distribute Shariah propaganda, and to enforce Shariah law in America and worldwide.
Drawing from those hidden webpages and other sites, we’ve constructed a timeline for the Shariah Index Project and a partial list of Rauf’s partners in the Project. In Part 2, we’ll reveal the disturbing background and views of those partners. And in Part 3, we’ll present the bottom line – how this all ties together as a historic Islamist effort to market and to enforce Shariah in America, starting from Ground Zero.
As usual we have to rely on bloggers to investigate. The mainstream media is too busy labeling everyone has racists to help support their democrat allies.
You're actually making my point for me. Yes, that was way out of line. But they weren't stoned to death, were they?
Link Seems to fit here.
Then I will believe it is not about religion
Gotta love you guys. Show me were I said they (the mosque people) were attempting to impose Sharia law? Should be simple enough the quotes are right here. As for Daiwa, I believe he was making a statement about Sharia Law not being compliant with US law. His reference that can be construed to mean Islam is being IMPOSED, states nothing of it being done in the US, but it is being done elsewhere in the world.
Now I have no way of knowing what is in the heart of Muslims, or any other group, in the US (after all I'm not a liberal, with their subliminal powers). I have to take the word of those that do know.
Here is an interview with PBS with Inman Feisal Abdul Rauf (the cultral center guy) first paragraph (in bold is the interviewer, other bold done by me http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/muslims/interviews/feisal.html
"My understanding of [the Sharia] rules about punishment for matrimonial infidelity [is that] you have to have four eyewitnesses, or several eyewitnesses to the [act] in order to demand the death penalty. It's almost inconceivable to me that you could ever produce that kind of eyewitness or evidence. But we hear that these kinds of punishments are meted out fairly regularly. Is the law being followed the way it's set [out]?
You cannot judge a whole body of law by one instance of criminal law. When people think about Sharia law, they often think about the penalties for certain crimes. They don't think about the sum total of Islamic law and its jurisprudence, which means the underlying structure and philosophy and understanding of how you arrive at what we call the Islamically correct decision. You do not define Sharia law by just a couple of penalties."
So I take this as "please don't judge our religion's laws by the ones were we stone or disrespect women, We're really, really nice and the women like it too". Now I know Bible and Koran quotes have been flying back and forth. Maybe someone here can tell me which religion most recently carried out a terrible act, remotely linked to their corresponding book, with support of the government of the particular country it occurred in? Never mind.
He goes on to say:
There is also a collective subliminal ambition that Muslims have, that at a collective level, they also embody the ideals of the community that the prophet developed in Medina. So when Muslims today speak of the attempt to establish an Islamic state, what they are really saying is that they would like to have a community that lives in accordance with the ideals, the relationships, the social contract, which the prophet had developed in Medina with his companions and how they had this amongst each other.
Hum, I wonder what the "Prophet developed in Medina"? Collective subliminal ambition? That explains a lot... they ARE liberals. Now I get the bond completely!
The Inman doesn't seem to have an isolated opinion, there are other more nefarious voices.
This from a 2009 article (http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-baltimore/national-day-of-prayer-to-islam-sept-25-2009):
What is abortion but killing babies or fetuses? Why don't liberals just think of the anti-abortion deaths as retroactive abortions? One would think they'd be clamoring for more, or is the kick in killing something (or someone) that can't fight back? Well one thing's true any kooky religion has nothing on the far left.
So Humbordt,
So you're not against religion being a driving force behind laws - you just don't want to be forced to convert to Islam?
Prevalent? No degree is acceptable. So what should we do? Rank out the top 5 churches that kill people and ban them from building new churches? Or just the one where it's most prevalent (and is not christian, and happens to be populated mostly by brown people)?
OHhhhh yes. Huge difference. It's a political organization who's taking up some of the core issues of a religious sect----- in order to make religious values the law of the land-----completely different thing from this idea of muslims trying to bring Sharia law to the US. Totally different. Not even a whisper of similarities.
Do you seriously believe that is a real risk if the muslim folks put up a mosque near ground zero?
Ohhhh yeah totally Obama's fault.
I was having fun with the juxtaposition. Replacing the Christian details with the muslim details.
Well then clearly the Family Values loons and the Muslims have a lot in common.
A voluntary medical procedure.
So Islam/Sharia is nothing more than a political organization. Who knew? I feel so much better now.
Well that is what you're afraid of right? Them demanding that portions of sheria law get enacted here in the United States and attempting to accomplish that through political means, right?
Or do you believe on day you're going to flip on your tv with some mullah telling us we're not under Sheria Law and all of a sudden people in Iowa start getting beheaded as they leave their mega church?
Tell us your 'vision' for your 'fears'.
Got to love you thinking that a comment I made just after quoting somebody complety different was aimed at you. Shall we both play that game?
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(Nitro this comment in in reference to the above quote and is not to do with the first quote). If anybobdy cares to answer this please also add how the building of a community center that runs events to increase dialoge will lead to those fears comming true. Is it just this center or all muslim buildings?
Well you see Basmas, the answer is "yes". They shouldn't be able to build any buildings. So says the American Family Association:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100812/pl_yblog_upshot/conservative-activist-calls-for-nationwide-mosque-moratorium
I didn't say anything even remotely like that, and you know it. You asked what the difference was, and I answered. Your ant-abortion murders were crimes, even Christians agree with that--hell, the guy who killed Tiller knew what he was doing was illegal, even if he stupidly thought it was justified. And nobody said it was acceptable. But Sharia specifically calls for murder, and does not consider it a crime when it is done for Allah.
It's obvious you believe Christianity is bad (mmkay). You're allowed to believe that--this is America, where we're all still allowed to believe whatever we want (you know, because we don't have Sharia law here). But to say it's worse than Sharia is silly. There's just not enough genital mutilation and stoning going on in the Christian community to convince me otherwise.
And as far as Christians trying to impose their religious laws on people, I'll worry about that when they start preaching "Death to Unbelievers!" in churches and blowing people up by the thousands in order to get it done. Right now all they're doing is pretty much what you're doing--making a lot of noise. We're all free to roll our eyes at them if we so choose. No one will kill us if we do.
We'll just vote them out, or never vote them in. Nothing to 'fear' at all.
His opinion has nothing to do with mine or that of Basmas.
More to the point.
Again, you're stretching. While it's true I don't want to be forced to convert to Islam, I don't want to be forced to convert to anything, especially upon pain of death.
What I said was that I don't care about that law, but it's not comparable to Sharia because saying "This group cannot marry" is not the same as saying "This group must die." If the crowd that opposes gay marriage suddenly wants to pass a law saying it's okay to kill gay people, I will be opposed to that. Until then, I do not care. The whole prop 8 thing is a fight that has nothing to do with me as I'm neither gay nor do I live in California. If it pops up on a ballot here, I will do what I do with all propositions I don't care about--leave it blank.
Gay people will get their gay marriage one day, (probably sooner if they quit with the marches and protests and just let the Home Design channel keep showing them in a more positive light). And when that day comes, I still will not care.
Yeah, I look at the death penalty the same way. Commit a violent crime causing the death of another and we have another "volunteer" for a medical procedure, namely stopping one's heart.
Call me crazy, but this incident may have been instructive concerning where things could go.
And your difference is:
"Muslims kill more people than Christians".
Again. No degree is acceptable.
Right. We know. The 'few' that are killed during abortion clinic bombings aren't enough to really matter.
Oh I never said worse. I said it's the exact same thing. Everybody is afraid that them durr durr durr Islams are going to try to enact some horse crap watered down laws that fit along with their bullshit religion. I'm just pointing out that the same people around here (and elsewhere, for that matter) who are oh so worried about this seem to go along with the show when it's a Christian doing it.
What I find most amusing about the whole bit is that the very clear double standard - the same people who wink at Christians trying to enforce their so called 'values' through legal means - the first thing they do with this cordoba mess is accuse muslims through some horse shit conspiracy theories of doing the same damn thing. It's inconsistent. It's flat out dishonest.
So it makes me wonder what the real issue is....
Well what do you think they're going to do? Just start randomly beheading people?
You're right. But it's hilarious.
Ok. So let's make sure we're clear on your beliefs:
You're ok with a religious group trying to push for laws that limit the rights of Americans, but you're not ok with people killing other Americans?
How American of you.
Indeed. A couple of bored faygo sippers from Michigan went to disturb the peace at a festival and got arrested for disturbing the peace. Sheria is up in there, no doubt.
I doubt it will be random.
You're serious? You're really concerned that the they're just going to start killing non-believers.
Um - Freedom of Speech? or is that no longer possible unless you are speaking correctly? It just boggles my mind that some think they have to impose a restriction on the freedom of speech because they do not agree with the subject!
#1: So I guess all the laws against trafficking in child porn are hate laws as well (yes, those hate mongers trying to deprive pedophiles of their enjoyment). And for the record, I am not equating the 2 except where you apparently did. Society has laws that some think are unjust. That is the price of living in society. That does not make them hate laws, just laws of decorum.
#2: Please demonstrate how those 501C3 are hate orgs. Or is again just hat since you do not agree with their agenda, you seek to deprive them of their freedom of speech? A very popular undertaking of the intolerant left.
#3: So you would deprive people of their freedom of religion in the name of religious tolerance? Again a popular tactic of the left. As long as your religion agrees with their agenda, you are free to practice it. But if the left disagrees with the religious tenets, then they forbid its practice. Another fine demonstration of the intolerant left.
Another stupidity! Equivalent to saying that pedophilia would be ok as long as it did not include children?
So Prop 8 is advocating death to non-believers (whatever that is)? you are not even on the same planet. One is a law - without penalty of death. The other is stoning (not on pot either) for looking at the opposing gender - if you happen to be female. You do not engage brain before writing do you?
[quote who="dan_l" reply="44" id="2719689"]On May 13, 2010, about eighty soldiers, stationed at Fort Eustis while attending a training course, were punished for opting out of attending one of these Christian concerts. The headliner at this concert was a Christian rock band called BarlowGirl, a band that describes itself as taking “an aggressive, almost warrior-like stance when it comes to spreading the gospel and serving God.” [quote]
Ok, what was the punishment? Seems the story is a contradiction since the story states "opt out" and then gives no punishment. I guess I could make up a story like that too to fit my agenda. You know, no facts, or rationale, but it sounds good. And the fact the MSM did not carry it indicates the "punishment" was they did not get leave during the concert. Yea, that equates to being stoned to death.
So what is his fault? By your standards, - nothing. As he is CIC, but he is nor responsible for any policy of the military. And he is president, but not responsible for anything he says or does not say, does or does not do. Of course! You have the perfect president! he is responsible for nothing and gets all the credit for good things (which is nothing at this points, to the original statement stands).
So you are just a pretend catholic, not a real one. Explains a lot.
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