UFO's and Aliens. Do they exist? Do you think there's even a chance that there is other intelligent life in our galaxy or universe or do you think we Humans are the only intelligent life in all of creation? These are questions that we as a species, man-kind, have asked since as far as our recorded history goes back. Even Ancient man, with no knowledge of modern science or modern understanding of what "Space" was, would look to the night sky at the twinkling stars and wonder...."Are we truly alone?".
Honestly, I've always thought aliens existed. Whether or not they've actually visited this planet at any point in it's history I don't know and I don't think anyone can truly say one way or the other and have definitive proof. Of course there is probably just as much "proof" that aliens don't exist as there is that they do, but, at least we are now discovering for a Fact that there is or was "some form" of life in the universe outside of the planet Earth. We know from microscopic fossils in martian rocks that at one point millions of years ago there was at the very least Single Celled life on Mars. We found this out back in the late 90's. Didn't hear about it? That's not surprising since I only found out about it because of a 10 second mention on ABC's "World News Tonight" back in 96-97. Today how-ever you can research this for your-self as many papers and articles have been published on the subject. A quick Google Search will lead you to many results such as these:
Meteorite Yields Evidence of Primitive Life on Early Mars Source: www.solarviews.com Article from 1997
Fossil Life in Martian Rock Found in Antarctica ? Source: http://spider.seds.org/spider/Mars/Marsrock/marsrocks.html Article from 1996
Proof of Life in Three Martian Rocks May Come This Year Source: www.popsci.com Article from 2010
This is enough in my eyes to call it "Definitive Proof", they're just waiting on the specific results so they can say it's a fact without a shadow of a doubt, and I respect them for waiting and taking it slow and doing the science the right way. A claim such as this can't be rushed no matter how apparent the results of any "proof" might be.
While I do believe in intelligent life outside of this planet, I'm still a skeptic. I mostly believe in what I can see with my own eyes. What I can feel with my own two hands. I think it's important for anyone doing any Serious research into the matter to be a skeptic and to try to dis-prove or debunk as many fakes as possible. With our advances in computers and video editing and special effects it's easier than ever for the nut-jobs and conspiracy wackos out there to make convincing "proof" on their own and it's people like those that bring a bad ilk to any Serious research into the matter. Sadly there are a lot of fakers and crazy people out there working in both directions of the debate. There are people who make fake videos of UFO's and try to pass them off as real and there are various groups and religious zealots who try to prove that Everything is fake and say that None Of It is real and anyone who believes there is intelligent non-human life in the universe is a moron or a liar.
Worse yet there are many people out there who are terrified of the idea that aliens may exist. Some people are so closed minded that no matter what scientific advances we may make or what we may learn about the universe and life its-self, they will Never believe that alien life exists even if aliens were to land on the White-House lawn and announce to the world that they are real and that they are here. Even if that did happen (which of course it hasn't) there would be a certain percentage of the world's population that would say it was faked, even if the proof was pointing a particle cannon at their head.
I'm about to tell a story I've never told publicly before. I've never told it honestly because I'm a little afraid of what it may make people think in regards to my sanity. If you choose to believe it, that's great. If you choose not to believe it, that's great too. One thing I do know for sure, I know what I saw...
Note: Before I get into the story, keep in mind that I was a kid. I was 13 or 14 years old. I had never done any drugs, didn't smoke cigs, didn't drink, and I wasn't a wild kid with a crazy imagination. I never had an "imaginary friend" at any point and even when I did grow up and start "partying" I've never had a hallucination nor have I ever saw something that I wasn't completely sure was right in front of me (magic tricks aside).
It was the summer of the year that my family moved from Deland in Volusia County out to Lake Mack in Lake County, Florida. I had to go to summer school that year to make up a failing English grade in 7th grade English (long story but basically I got screwed out of the grade I should have received). Because there weren't that many kids in my area going to summer school that year all of us in the neighborhood had to meet down at the corner store which was the only bus-stop for summer school that year. School started at 7 A.M. and was all the way in Leesburg (almost an hour from my house). We kids had to be at the bus-stop at 5:30 A.M. because it was a very long ride all the way to Leesburg from where we were in Lake Mack and there were other students to stop and pick up along the way. I was walking to the bus-stop down a long winding road. It was a normal paved road and there were houses and trailers all over the place. Even though the road was deserted because it was so early in the morning it was still a populated and crowded neighborhood. As I was rounding the bends I noticed all the tall pine trees were swaying back and forth pretty hard like there was about to be a storm, but oddly enough I couldn't feel any wind. I'm not going to say there wasn't any wind, there very well could have been and the currents were too high off the ground for me to feel the wind, but, I didn't actually feel any wind.
I was looking up at the tops of the pine trees when a very Large Triangle came out over the trees. At first I thought it was a helicopter and maybe I was seeing the lights on the ends of the rotors but then two things hit me. First, I couldn't hear Any noise. None what-so-ever. Second, if the lights I saw were on the ends of the rotors they would have been spinning very fast and not been stationary. They were also way too far apart to be rotor blades. The object was at least 3 times as high up as the trees, maybe 4 times as high, and it...was....Massive. I'm talking like the size of a Boeing 747, Massive. I quickly realized there was no way in hell that it was a helicopter. There were no flashing lights on it. They were on steadily. There were four lights in total. One larger light in the center and three more slightly smaller lights, one at each tip of the Triangle. I had seen plenty of helicopters up close, even military ones as I've lived close to Deland Airport for most of my time in Deland and seen plenty of air shows and air planes and helicopters first hand. I've seen both the Apache and the smaller Cobra Attack Chopper that it shares it's design with. It's also of note that out in Lake Mack in Lake County we were technically on the out-skirts of the Ocala National Forrest. The army had a bombing range on the far edge of the forrest and at least 3 or 4 times a year you could hear the bombs being dropped and all you had to do was go outside when the planes or helicopters were flying over-head to see what vehicles were doing the bombing. Lake Mack was right underneath their flight path for a long time even though the bombing range its-self was a good 60 or 70 miles away.
Anyway, when I realized just what it was I was looking at....well, I'm not ashamed to admit I got scared and started running for the bus-stop. I didn't look back and I didn't slow down. When I finally got to the point where I could see the store and see the other kids through the darkness standing under the street light at the store I stopped running. I didn't want the other kids thinking I was too scared to walk to the bus-stop in the dark, which I wasn't. I've never been afraid of the dark, not even as a small child. At that point when I stopped running I took the time to look behind me. Not surprisingly I didn't see anything. Nothing. No ship, no Triangle, no wind, and the trees were as still as could be since there was no wind.
I'm not gonna say I know for sure that it was aliens. I don't and to surmise that with no further evidence would be kinda stupid in my eyes. What I do know is that I have no idea what it was and it WASN'T a conventional aircraft. I honestly don't know what It was, but I do know I have Never seen Anything like It nor have I since. That one experience has led me to believe in intelligent life outside of this planet. I can't say it Was aliens. I can say I Think it was, because I have no other explanation for it.
So.....what do YOU believe? Do YOU think we're alone in the universe? Or do YOU think there is far more out there then we could ever dream is possible?
Say what? That is not a satisfactory answer. You have already posited that it is true, and now your evidence is 'who knows'? Well I know one person who clearly does not know...
You haven't added anything other than your opinion that 'it is so'. Can you cite a single scientific paper which deals with the subject of emotional evolution?
Nonsense, you claimed that 'emotional evolution' (or however you term it) is necessary for a civilization to become advanced. Now that's not an absolute? I'm starting to see a trend...
Your reply to me was that one shouldn't assume all aliens are non violent, my question then is where did I, or anyone for that matter, make this claim. Indeed what you claimed seems to be at odds with your previous notion that aliens wouldn't interfere on earth because of some 'prime directive' type of crap.
Yes, that is your point, but you have provided no evidence to support it, which is what I am asking you for. What significant considerations are there which makes it likely that aliens would have human motivations? I've been careful not to say 'aliens wouldn't have human emotions', because that question is a bit different, but issue is, why would aliens have human motivations. Further, even if they do have motivations which humans can understand, why do you assume their motivations would be as you claim them? Non intervention, primarily.
Although it doesn't explain the thing I saw and described earlier here, I think the more likely explanation for most UFO sightings is US experiments with new kinds of aircrafts based on what and who they harvested after WW2 during Operation Paperclip. The thousands of german scientists who were brought to america must haven been of SOME use, right?.
I mean it's more than obvious that the B2 for expample is widely based on the Horten IX aircraft. And during the times it was still a black ops project it might very well have been misinterpreted for a triangular shaped UFO. Who knows. Maybe they're already developing a jump jet version of it which might also explain the sightings of hovering triangular shaped UFOs...
Heck, afaik the CIA has often enough encouraged the UFO hysteria to cover up new secret weapon developments...
And at the time of the Roswell incident it was definitely more convenient to let people believe it was an alien spacecraft than one developed by Nazi scientists who were supposed to rot in a cell instead of helping develop new weaponry, right?
I do believe in intelligent lifeforms in our galaxy (we are proof it is possible), number of stars (and planets) is so big that there are multiple planets that have some life. But I do not believe in UFO on our tiny piece of rock, Sun is so common star in so average galaxy, here is nothing interesting, no reason to visit. Why somebody would go to middle of desert to look at anthill, when he has ants in his garden? At best we are watched by some automated probe, but to check if we are still alive and kicking one does not need to land or make contact, simple listening to our radio noise is enough to know everything about us. We also do not send pleasant message to potential visitors, in every movie about first contact alien either dies or kill everybody on earth, even ET had trouble.
Well, I guess when they come to build a hyperspatial express route through our star system we'll know for sure.
Hehe, I looove Mars Attacks!
ET says that he's sick and tired of being portrayed as the evil entity coming to take over the world.
He's been here for centuries and never felt the urge to impose his rule upon us.
Far from it, he just wants to hang out and sample the food in fine restaurants... taste fine wines
He'd also like to do a tour of all the world's breweries for a free taste test in each.
But more than this he just wants to settle down and have kids.
Lets all move to Boston where the Alfs live.
This video was for kidding around but, Just want to add, I would buy that girl singer's cd anytime. What a lovely voice.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_sci_cosmic_census
500 billion chances of life in our galaxy alone. Wow!
Good find Uvah
Do you think there is any intelligent life in this galaxy?
Possibly.... but probably not in the immediate vicinity.
Out there, perhaps. Down here ... mmm .. I dunno. The jury is still out.
Out where? What?
It's out there looking for ET's.
Apparently the cat juror is leading the expedition and will translate for non-English speaking persons.
The cat was chosen because it's said he is fluent in several languages as well as pussy.
Yeah ...
And what's more.... he's been studying up on intergalactic law... for when the jury's in.
nope haha
Intergalactic law, I gotta google that.
Dunno that I'd do that if I were you.
If they, the powers that be, find out, you could be commandeered for the next mission.
And believe me, you don't wanna be in close proximity with that cat in such a confined space,
Not with all that used kitty litter floating all around the ship.
Wow, someone's been doing his homework, or have you been catnapped?
Nope... I wasn't being commandeered on the next mission
Now that cat has become a celebrity and has a much richer diet as a result, he's unbearable to be close to.
Let's just say that he's decidedly more odious than Pepe Le Pew, what with all that caviar he digests these days.
In fact, now that I think of it, I'm not at all sure it was a good idea to send him as Earth's ambassador to greet the aliens.
Not too long ago a UFO sighting in Israel was proven to be a hoax but for awhile it had some people believing. What I'd like to know is what about the ones that can't be explained. That is what this thread is all about ... right.
But don't tell that to the cat. He may get his whiskers twisted.
Cat, cat, are you all discussing the cat and travel beyond our solar system? It's true, all true! I have seen it... the records are in a fvidoo file called "Red Dwarf."
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