UFO's and Aliens. Do they exist? Do you think there's even a chance that there is other intelligent life in our galaxy or universe or do you think we Humans are the only intelligent life in all of creation? These are questions that we as a species, man-kind, have asked since as far as our recorded history goes back. Even Ancient man, with no knowledge of modern science or modern understanding of what "Space" was, would look to the night sky at the twinkling stars and wonder...."Are we truly alone?".
Honestly, I've always thought aliens existed. Whether or not they've actually visited this planet at any point in it's history I don't know and I don't think anyone can truly say one way or the other and have definitive proof. Of course there is probably just as much "proof" that aliens don't exist as there is that they do, but, at least we are now discovering for a Fact that there is or was "some form" of life in the universe outside of the planet Earth. We know from microscopic fossils in martian rocks that at one point millions of years ago there was at the very least Single Celled life on Mars. We found this out back in the late 90's. Didn't hear about it? That's not surprising since I only found out about it because of a 10 second mention on ABC's "World News Tonight" back in 96-97. Today how-ever you can research this for your-self as many papers and articles have been published on the subject. A quick Google Search will lead you to many results such as these:
Meteorite Yields Evidence of Primitive Life on Early Mars Source: www.solarviews.com Article from 1997
Fossil Life in Martian Rock Found in Antarctica ? Source: http://spider.seds.org/spider/Mars/Marsrock/marsrocks.html Article from 1996
Proof of Life in Three Martian Rocks May Come This Year Source: www.popsci.com Article from 2010
This is enough in my eyes to call it "Definitive Proof", they're just waiting on the specific results so they can say it's a fact without a shadow of a doubt, and I respect them for waiting and taking it slow and doing the science the right way. A claim such as this can't be rushed no matter how apparent the results of any "proof" might be.
While I do believe in intelligent life outside of this planet, I'm still a skeptic. I mostly believe in what I can see with my own eyes. What I can feel with my own two hands. I think it's important for anyone doing any Serious research into the matter to be a skeptic and to try to dis-prove or debunk as many fakes as possible. With our advances in computers and video editing and special effects it's easier than ever for the nut-jobs and conspiracy wackos out there to make convincing "proof" on their own and it's people like those that bring a bad ilk to any Serious research into the matter. Sadly there are a lot of fakers and crazy people out there working in both directions of the debate. There are people who make fake videos of UFO's and try to pass them off as real and there are various groups and religious zealots who try to prove that Everything is fake and say that None Of It is real and anyone who believes there is intelligent non-human life in the universe is a moron or a liar.
Worse yet there are many people out there who are terrified of the idea that aliens may exist. Some people are so closed minded that no matter what scientific advances we may make or what we may learn about the universe and life its-self, they will Never believe that alien life exists even if aliens were to land on the White-House lawn and announce to the world that they are real and that they are here. Even if that did happen (which of course it hasn't) there would be a certain percentage of the world's population that would say it was faked, even if the proof was pointing a particle cannon at their head.
I'm about to tell a story I've never told publicly before. I've never told it honestly because I'm a little afraid of what it may make people think in regards to my sanity. If you choose to believe it, that's great. If you choose not to believe it, that's great too. One thing I do know for sure, I know what I saw...
Note: Before I get into the story, keep in mind that I was a kid. I was 13 or 14 years old. I had never done any drugs, didn't smoke cigs, didn't drink, and I wasn't a wild kid with a crazy imagination. I never had an "imaginary friend" at any point and even when I did grow up and start "partying" I've never had a hallucination nor have I ever saw something that I wasn't completely sure was right in front of me (magic tricks aside).
It was the summer of the year that my family moved from Deland in Volusia County out to Lake Mack in Lake County, Florida. I had to go to summer school that year to make up a failing English grade in 7th grade English (long story but basically I got screwed out of the grade I should have received). Because there weren't that many kids in my area going to summer school that year all of us in the neighborhood had to meet down at the corner store which was the only bus-stop for summer school that year. School started at 7 A.M. and was all the way in Leesburg (almost an hour from my house). We kids had to be at the bus-stop at 5:30 A.M. because it was a very long ride all the way to Leesburg from where we were in Lake Mack and there were other students to stop and pick up along the way. I was walking to the bus-stop down a long winding road. It was a normal paved road and there were houses and trailers all over the place. Even though the road was deserted because it was so early in the morning it was still a populated and crowded neighborhood. As I was rounding the bends I noticed all the tall pine trees were swaying back and forth pretty hard like there was about to be a storm, but oddly enough I couldn't feel any wind. I'm not going to say there wasn't any wind, there very well could have been and the currents were too high off the ground for me to feel the wind, but, I didn't actually feel any wind.
I was looking up at the tops of the pine trees when a very Large Triangle came out over the trees. At first I thought it was a helicopter and maybe I was seeing the lights on the ends of the rotors but then two things hit me. First, I couldn't hear Any noise. None what-so-ever. Second, if the lights I saw were on the ends of the rotors they would have been spinning very fast and not been stationary. They were also way too far apart to be rotor blades. The object was at least 3 times as high up as the trees, maybe 4 times as high, and it...was....Massive. I'm talking like the size of a Boeing 747, Massive. I quickly realized there was no way in hell that it was a helicopter. There were no flashing lights on it. They were on steadily. There were four lights in total. One larger light in the center and three more slightly smaller lights, one at each tip of the Triangle. I had seen plenty of helicopters up close, even military ones as I've lived close to Deland Airport for most of my time in Deland and seen plenty of air shows and air planes and helicopters first hand. I've seen both the Apache and the smaller Cobra Attack Chopper that it shares it's design with. It's also of note that out in Lake Mack in Lake County we were technically on the out-skirts of the Ocala National Forrest. The army had a bombing range on the far edge of the forrest and at least 3 or 4 times a year you could hear the bombs being dropped and all you had to do was go outside when the planes or helicopters were flying over-head to see what vehicles were doing the bombing. Lake Mack was right underneath their flight path for a long time even though the bombing range its-self was a good 60 or 70 miles away.
Anyway, when I realized just what it was I was looking at....well, I'm not ashamed to admit I got scared and started running for the bus-stop. I didn't look back and I didn't slow down. When I finally got to the point where I could see the store and see the other kids through the darkness standing under the street light at the store I stopped running. I didn't want the other kids thinking I was too scared to walk to the bus-stop in the dark, which I wasn't. I've never been afraid of the dark, not even as a small child. At that point when I stopped running I took the time to look behind me. Not surprisingly I didn't see anything. Nothing. No ship, no Triangle, no wind, and the trees were as still as could be since there was no wind.
I'm not gonna say I know for sure that it was aliens. I don't and to surmise that with no further evidence would be kinda stupid in my eyes. What I do know is that I have no idea what it was and it WASN'T a conventional aircraft. I honestly don't know what It was, but I do know I have Never seen Anything like It nor have I since. That one experience has led me to believe in intelligent life outside of this planet. I can't say it Was aliens. I can say I Think it was, because I have no other explanation for it.
So.....what do YOU believe? Do YOU think we're alone in the universe? Or do YOU think there is far more out there then we could ever dream is possible?
'ere, that UFO just abducted one of my jelly beans.
You all see that video on the Jerusalem Lights posted on CNN yesterday? Yeah, it's conceivable that it was a fake, but hey, you never know, right?
Not to get back on topic or anything.
There is a tribe of protected wild natives living on an Island in India. The Indian government tries to protect them from interference by the modern world so it is forbidden for anyone to make contact. However some people do make contact in secret in order to trade goods or whatever.
Now i hear there is a newly discovered tribe in the Amazon as well!
http://www.news.com.au/travel/world/hidden-amazon-tribe-caught-on-camera/story-e6frfqai-1225998632281
The point is, it is our natural human nature to be cautious about making contact with these people because of the effects it will have on their society and way of life. Herein lies the most likely reasons i believe Aliens will in turn avoid making contact with Humans in general. That and possibly also not wanting to end up being harnessed with copyright from all the movies and stuff they get from us!! (they will likely have an honorable society and will be honor bound to co-operate with copyright)
Yup, they'd want to avoid being tied up in court for decades because some movie mogul has decided that copyright has been infringed since they look just like the one(s) in the sci-fi *insert name here* thriller.
It would only apply to issues occurring after official copyright treaties were signed.
But also another impact of copywright is the strangulation of new ideas. Because the more stuff that is out there on record... eventually it will get very tough doing anything new. And if the Alien race is truly ancient, Possibly it could totally devastating to Earths intellectual progress, since they have already done it all and copyrighted it, and.... and... um, must have gone extinct because copyright ground their civilization to a halt and therefore Aliens no longer exits!!
Edit: Wow, never considered before that copyright can destroy civilizations, this is a new idea, scary, because it must be true? I mean eventually somethings gotta give right? I mean like after thousands of years right? eventually a civilization will have to either abandon copyright or face a long slow death?
Just read a news article which reminded me of another possible reason Aliens refuse to make contact with Humans.
Have you ever noticed how parents have this tendency to loose all perspective in reality when you put them on the defensive regarding their children? One minute you have a perfectly reasonable intelligent human being, the next minute they turn into a totally irrational beast - akin to a grizzly bear with a red hot poker up its ass! There is just no talking any sense to them at all, it is completely hopeless!
Now getting back to the Aliens.... what if Aliens sent a probe to Earth and the first thing they happened to see was a parent in the act of arguing while being defensive about their children? The Aliens would have no alternative but to conclude there is no intelligent life on Earth and then move on!
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/more-parents-involved-in-cyber-bullying/story-e6frfku0-1225999514281
The late Carl Sagan theorized that if there was life on other planets they would look like jellyfish floating in the air. I don't remember him saying anything about spaceships or traveling to Earth or even about them being all that intelligent. Personally I don't think anybody has visited here, but if they do I think you'll probably run into them at Disney World.
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My whole take on this is, if and its a big if, if they are coming here, and allow for the opportunity to be seen, then its a choice they have made. Given the amount of digital media that is available to many people around the world, getting some great high def footage is inevitable. The thing is, for it to be truly believed by people, it has to be on a legitimate news network, or acknowledged by a government. Now, who in there right mind would allow for the truth to be shown on network television? And when was the last time the government revealed any information that was good for us? Obama care is a wonderful thing, so that doesn't count.
Now you know the truth about the Ancient Greeks and Egypt, not to mention Rome... and it weren't Nero's filldling, neither. Nope, it was the copyright laws and the greedy scroll keepers. Wouldn't have been so bad if they'd actually written the scrolls, , but as usual, no, the Egyptian, Roman and Greek poets did all the work and them were exploited by the publishers who more or less claimed ownership with total rights to the works.
Aliens wouldn't dare come to England. The tree huggers would get 'em...
The alien civilizations that have been 'buzzing' us adhere to a strict set of laws. They have not been officially invited by any nation on earth to come and visit. So they respect our wish for privacy. So they don't land. All we get are teenager aliens 'mooning' us.
Also, aliens are not stupid. There are no human laws on earth granting any rights to aliens or protecting their safety while here. Legally, they have the same status as most terrestrial animals. Humans could legally hunt them, make trophies of their skins, (or shoes, purses, and luggage). Nice humans would put them in zoos (after taking their ships to reverse engineer). The only unresolved issue is that in some human jurisdictions, no hunting season is defined.
Would you land someplace where the indigenous population kill each other, starve one other, rape, beat, and convert one another, abuse one another as we humans do to one another in the most systematic and organized manners? I think not.
It is? It certainly wasn't always.
But aliens are not humans, ascribing human characteristics or motivations to them seems shortsighted.
Begs the question...
Why do you stay if it's so terrible?
begs the question, why do you stay if its so terrible?
Why do I stay? Its home.
Why do aliens stay, if they truly exist, and actually 'visit' earth, I suspect their reasons are their own.?
Island Dog,
I have watched the videos several times. NSA must be playing with a new toy.
http://www.photoshoplady.com/tutorial/create-a-supernatural-light-ball/3694
Well not withstanding the vast cultural variations throughout history, human emotion has not simply evolved in the last hundred years, it has been what it is for a hell of allot longer than that! So the answer to your comment is that it certainly 'was' always like that.
Perhaps not quite as shortsighted as you might think? If you understand exactly what human emotion is..... an evolutionary mechanism for controlling responses that best suits survival in an individual and a group/society.
What it takes to create a successful society in emotional terms is like building a brick house in the sense that there are really not too many different ways you can stack one brick on top of another in order to reach the end result.
Holy crap, it's where the Neanderthals went too! And the Dodo birds!
All due to toolbars.
Indeed, point being, you shouldn't assume they would think like humans.
Eh? Doubtful, the idea of not interfering with indigenous cultures is most definitely a 20th century thing.
You're going to have to clarify what emotion has to do with anything, though I may just not understand the way you are using the word. It'd be nice to see some proof that emotion is an evolutionary mechanism as well, but in the mean time...
watch (there is profanity if that bothers you)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvLDdItltRo&feature=related
and part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ptyKgp84hk&feature=related
Part 2 might be more pertinent to this discussion.
Still though, you maintain that all species must evolve along similar lines. I would think studying just the evolution on this planet would be enough to squash that line of reasoning, but I still don't quite understand what you mean by emotion, or, more accurately, how it applies.
Lets not forget that Homo Sapiens are but one kind of human that evolved on planet Earth. It would be 'illogical' to assume that only here have humans evolved. There is a distinct possibility that, given the vastness of just this galaxy alone, humans could have evolved on another world as well. Would you discount the possibility? I wouldn't.
Your braver than i am then... because going by all the discoveries historians are making these days I would be scared to take any concept for granted as just being of our own century.
Emotion as in the foundation of motivation for such things as not wanting to disrupt an uncontacted tribe. As for evolution, well perhaps the better question to ask is what isn't an evolutionary mechanism in terms of our physiology, biology and emotional make up?
Naturally there has to be a specific reason forcing evolutionary similarity, and that reason is the capacity to form an advanced civilization. This is precisely what i mean by saying there are very limited different ways you can stack one brick on top of another to build a house! Human emotion has evolved in such a way that it gives us the capacity to form a civilization, But evolution being what it is, there is always a competitive/conflict side to it as well. So if you think Aliens would likely be totally non violent, think again!
I do not, but at the same time, I don't assume it to be true either. Nor do I assume that their evolution would have mimicked ours, for there is little reason to make that assumption. Indeed, even within our own species there are (or perhaps have been is better) dynamic differences in the way different cultures have adopted their own morays.
To say we are a united species in thought is clearly incorrect.
Fair enough, but perhaps you'll be so kind as to highlight where in the past centuries civilizations held a policy of non intervention. It is far more easy to show how slavery, genocide, conversion, ... all were standard issue each time one civilization encountered another.
So you say, but what evidence do you have to support your contention? Again, my quibble isn't over what traits are or are not evolutionary based, it's about the notion that 'emotion' forms the motivation for not doing something which history shows humans clearly did repeatedly.
So you assert that there is only one way to form an advanced civilization? I take exception to that, there is no basis to make this claim as an absolute. Even if it can be shown to be valid for earth and the conditions here, that doesn't make it necessary for some other planet, with some other conditions. Say, 2 separate species both evolving to form their own advanced civilizations in competition with each other. To a degree this did happen on earth, though 'advanced' doesn't exactly apply I suppose.
Where did I suggest aliens would be non violent? Where indeed did I suggest anything about aliens at all?
My point is that it is foolish to ascribe human motivations to aliens, though it's entirely natural to do so. Hell, we ascribe human motivations to cars and houses, and all number of animals and inanimate objects. It's part of how our brains are wired apparently, but, it's a limitation as well.
Who knows? but I'm sure there is bound to be? human history is just too large and diverse for their not to be!
I claim nothing as an absolute, not even the apparent fact i am sitting in front of my computer typing this response!!
I cannot add any information to the conversation apart from my reply to you??
And my point is that there are more significant things to consider in favor of ascribing human motivations to Aliens outside of the 'natural to do so' part you mention.
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