UFO's and Aliens. Do they exist? Do you think there's even a chance that there is other intelligent life in our galaxy or universe or do you think we Humans are the only intelligent life in all of creation? These are questions that we as a species, man-kind, have asked since as far as our recorded history goes back. Even Ancient man, with no knowledge of modern science or modern understanding of what "Space" was, would look to the night sky at the twinkling stars and wonder...."Are we truly alone?".
Honestly, I've always thought aliens existed. Whether or not they've actually visited this planet at any point in it's history I don't know and I don't think anyone can truly say one way or the other and have definitive proof. Of course there is probably just as much "proof" that aliens don't exist as there is that they do, but, at least we are now discovering for a Fact that there is or was "some form" of life in the universe outside of the planet Earth. We know from microscopic fossils in martian rocks that at one point millions of years ago there was at the very least Single Celled life on Mars. We found this out back in the late 90's. Didn't hear about it? That's not surprising since I only found out about it because of a 10 second mention on ABC's "World News Tonight" back in 96-97. Today how-ever you can research this for your-self as many papers and articles have been published on the subject. A quick Google Search will lead you to many results such as these:
Meteorite Yields Evidence of Primitive Life on Early Mars Source: www.solarviews.com Article from 1997
Fossil Life in Martian Rock Found in Antarctica ? Source: http://spider.seds.org/spider/Mars/Marsrock/marsrocks.html Article from 1996
Proof of Life in Three Martian Rocks May Come This Year Source: www.popsci.com Article from 2010
This is enough in my eyes to call it "Definitive Proof", they're just waiting on the specific results so they can say it's a fact without a shadow of a doubt, and I respect them for waiting and taking it slow and doing the science the right way. A claim such as this can't be rushed no matter how apparent the results of any "proof" might be.
While I do believe in intelligent life outside of this planet, I'm still a skeptic. I mostly believe in what I can see with my own eyes. What I can feel with my own two hands. I think it's important for anyone doing any Serious research into the matter to be a skeptic and to try to dis-prove or debunk as many fakes as possible. With our advances in computers and video editing and special effects it's easier than ever for the nut-jobs and conspiracy wackos out there to make convincing "proof" on their own and it's people like those that bring a bad ilk to any Serious research into the matter. Sadly there are a lot of fakers and crazy people out there working in both directions of the debate. There are people who make fake videos of UFO's and try to pass them off as real and there are various groups and religious zealots who try to prove that Everything is fake and say that None Of It is real and anyone who believes there is intelligent non-human life in the universe is a moron or a liar.
Worse yet there are many people out there who are terrified of the idea that aliens may exist. Some people are so closed minded that no matter what scientific advances we may make or what we may learn about the universe and life its-self, they will Never believe that alien life exists even if aliens were to land on the White-House lawn and announce to the world that they are real and that they are here. Even if that did happen (which of course it hasn't) there would be a certain percentage of the world's population that would say it was faked, even if the proof was pointing a particle cannon at their head.
I'm about to tell a story I've never told publicly before. I've never told it honestly because I'm a little afraid of what it may make people think in regards to my sanity. If you choose to believe it, that's great. If you choose not to believe it, that's great too. One thing I do know for sure, I know what I saw...
Note: Before I get into the story, keep in mind that I was a kid. I was 13 or 14 years old. I had never done any drugs, didn't smoke cigs, didn't drink, and I wasn't a wild kid with a crazy imagination. I never had an "imaginary friend" at any point and even when I did grow up and start "partying" I've never had a hallucination nor have I ever saw something that I wasn't completely sure was right in front of me (magic tricks aside).
It was the summer of the year that my family moved from Deland in Volusia County out to Lake Mack in Lake County, Florida. I had to go to summer school that year to make up a failing English grade in 7th grade English (long story but basically I got screwed out of the grade I should have received). Because there weren't that many kids in my area going to summer school that year all of us in the neighborhood had to meet down at the corner store which was the only bus-stop for summer school that year. School started at 7 A.M. and was all the way in Leesburg (almost an hour from my house). We kids had to be at the bus-stop at 5:30 A.M. because it was a very long ride all the way to Leesburg from where we were in Lake Mack and there were other students to stop and pick up along the way. I was walking to the bus-stop down a long winding road. It was a normal paved road and there were houses and trailers all over the place. Even though the road was deserted because it was so early in the morning it was still a populated and crowded neighborhood. As I was rounding the bends I noticed all the tall pine trees were swaying back and forth pretty hard like there was about to be a storm, but oddly enough I couldn't feel any wind. I'm not going to say there wasn't any wind, there very well could have been and the currents were too high off the ground for me to feel the wind, but, I didn't actually feel any wind.
I was looking up at the tops of the pine trees when a very Large Triangle came out over the trees. At first I thought it was a helicopter and maybe I was seeing the lights on the ends of the rotors but then two things hit me. First, I couldn't hear Any noise. None what-so-ever. Second, if the lights I saw were on the ends of the rotors they would have been spinning very fast and not been stationary. They were also way too far apart to be rotor blades. The object was at least 3 times as high up as the trees, maybe 4 times as high, and it...was....Massive. I'm talking like the size of a Boeing 747, Massive. I quickly realized there was no way in hell that it was a helicopter. There were no flashing lights on it. They were on steadily. There were four lights in total. One larger light in the center and three more slightly smaller lights, one at each tip of the Triangle. I had seen plenty of helicopters up close, even military ones as I've lived close to Deland Airport for most of my time in Deland and seen plenty of air shows and air planes and helicopters first hand. I've seen both the Apache and the smaller Cobra Attack Chopper that it shares it's design with. It's also of note that out in Lake Mack in Lake County we were technically on the out-skirts of the Ocala National Forrest. The army had a bombing range on the far edge of the forrest and at least 3 or 4 times a year you could hear the bombs being dropped and all you had to do was go outside when the planes or helicopters were flying over-head to see what vehicles were doing the bombing. Lake Mack was right underneath their flight path for a long time even though the bombing range its-self was a good 60 or 70 miles away.
Anyway, when I realized just what it was I was looking at....well, I'm not ashamed to admit I got scared and started running for the bus-stop. I didn't look back and I didn't slow down. When I finally got to the point where I could see the store and see the other kids through the darkness standing under the street light at the store I stopped running. I didn't want the other kids thinking I was too scared to walk to the bus-stop in the dark, which I wasn't. I've never been afraid of the dark, not even as a small child. At that point when I stopped running I took the time to look behind me. Not surprisingly I didn't see anything. Nothing. No ship, no Triangle, no wind, and the trees were as still as could be since there was no wind.
I'm not gonna say I know for sure that it was aliens. I don't and to surmise that with no further evidence would be kinda stupid in my eyes. What I do know is that I have no idea what it was and it WASN'T a conventional aircraft. I honestly don't know what It was, but I do know I have Never seen Anything like It nor have I since. That one experience has led me to believe in intelligent life outside of this planet. I can't say it Was aliens. I can say I Think it was, because I have no other explanation for it.
So.....what do YOU believe? Do YOU think we're alone in the universe? Or do YOU think there is far more out there then we could ever dream is possible?
More to the point, let's hope RavenX doesn't get pissed off his cover's been blown and gets out his death ray.
Tried to bring it back on topic but no one wants that for some reason. Others will have them go at it because they like being contentious. Yes ... lets get back on topic and leave all else where it belongs ... not here.
I'll buy that. Do you think starkers is an example of that having happened?
Well, we don't know why, YET. Of course we may never know why either. We also don't know if the constants are indeed constant, but so far they seem to be (depending on your frame of reference anyway). Inductive reasoning at work. We use what tools and knowledge we have to build bigger (or more refined) tools and acquire more (or a deeper understanding) knowledge. The scientific method at work. Theories require testable hypotheses. Of course the more we learn, the more things we can actually test. Some believe there is a limit though. Some can philosophically define that limit as well, as Istari has accepted with the notion of 'extra-logical beings'. By definition they are unobservable, and untestable, other than in the realm of pure philosophy. Of course the problem with invoking them in a discussion otherwise bounded by science, is that they simply have no place there. They could be the answer, but as they are untestable, unprovable, their inclusion is less than satisfactory, and ludicrous to claim as the only possible answer.
Indeed, it is entirely possible, but you rather make the point I made above. If it is simply beyond the capacity of the ant to observe or measure a jetliner in the air(though this is not a perfect analogy, but we'll stay with it) then invoking the jetliner as an explanation for why there is a shadow is unsatisfactory.
Basically it boils down to where your thought process goes when you are given a question you do not know the answer to. Do you say 'well I can't see how to explain it, so therefore god.' Or do you say 'well I can't see how to explain it.' Really it's that simple. You can play the god card if you like, you can even do it while keeping an open mind (though this is nominally a cop out because when an answer arises you say, 'well god made it that way'). Otherwise you are left with the mystery and the search for an answer to it, scientists (at least the good ones) understand that bringing god into the problem doesn't help get to an answer.
By the way, when I say 'you' above, I don't mean you personally, just so we're clear on that.
I'll grant you this, I am strange, peculiar, oddball, weird and out-of-this-world, but as far as I know I'm not alien.
Last I looked I was of terrestrial origin and human.
However, if some grey looking fella with dark, beady eyes and antennae sticking out of his head approaches me and says "Hi cousin, I'll not at all be surprised.
She wasn't in the movie?
Yep... Moanin' Lisa or maybe DaFishi Avatar.
Actually, 'moanin' Lisa is not without merit
Apparently Leonardo had her sitting there posing for so long, she had to be treated for painful bed-like sore on her butt.
Leonardo, being his inventive self, created an inflatable ring cushion for her to sit on, but Mona refused because it didn't have a proper stopper and released embarrassing guttural sounds.
Now at least you know who invented the whoopee cushion.
This is sort of alien... Remember the moaning,crying guy because of a double rainbow. He's gonna get make some money.....
Yeah, I heard that. Apparently the porn star of 'Sensitive New Age Guy Does Hookers' got laryngitis and he got to do the moaning, groaning and crying voice-overs.
And you're right, this bloke is probably alien. I mean, today it's Microsoft commercials and Jennifer Aniston... tomorrow it's CEO and Angelina Jolie, in a bid to take over the world.
Also, apparently, he's a bit cash strapped right now so is doing the moaning and groaning sound effects for the porno parody: Failin' Palin Goes Back to Wasilla.
Angelina Jolie would make a poor alien. She's into the whip/chain stuff and the aliens gave that up for lent.
That they did.... but they do treat themselves to some of that Jolie 'Justice' around Easter time for over-indulging in the Cadbury Creme Eggs.
Apparently they believe the discipline is warranted and don't mind pulling down their pants to go over Angie's knee.
Yup, I'm decidedly jealous! I'm not too fond of Cadbury Creme Eggs so I miss out on her spanking my bare derriere.
Never mind that. I'd like to spank hers. But then again she'd probably get all huffy and stuff and I'd have to ditch her. Can't stand one so full of herself. Not saying that she is but one never knows. hehe
Hi Ho the DairyO, a spanking we will go.
Nah, she'd enjoy every moment of a thorough good spanking.... just ask Billy Bob.
Yup, you only gotta say the first 4 letters, span.... my trousers are down and I'm ready.
So then you admit to being a bad little alien?
Bad, yes!
Alien? Not sure.
I mean, I was there when I was born, but I was waaaay too young to remember the location..
Your lucky your on the other side of the world. hehe
Look whom I found pretending to be lurking,,,,
probably spying for info on our electricity. {nice turn signals}
hey Doc, like your new avatar.
back to UFO's. I was reading about the 'famous' daylight buzzing of Mexico City. Happened about 20 years ago, i guess. Hundreds of people saw 30 or so 'thing' flying overhead... videos were taken. look like spherical lights, i guess.
Interesting thing is that many people were interviewed after the event. Most saw what the videos seem to indicate. But a few interviewees said they saw, "angels," or "the Virgin Mary." I want to respect what people claim to have seen - especially a group event like this.
Is it possible some people see something that makes absolutely no sense to them, so they creatively graft another, more meaningful image over it, in their memories? Really, how accurate is human memory of events? How does this play into reports of many of the UFO sightings?
I want to know... is the truth out there? or here?
Yup, it happens all the time! I watch televised sessions of Oz Parliament, as well as some UK and US ones sometimes, and frankly, none of them pollies make any darned sense to me... at all.
Its called mass hysteria. A bunch of people get together for whatever reason and witness something beyond their understanding. Authorities try to play it off as mass hysteria rather than attempt to investigate the phenomenon. Too lazy I guess. And another thing ... pull up your knickers starkers. We got enough pollution in the air.
It is not laziness, but rather that governments would rather attribute mass UFO sightings to lunatics... it saves them having to admit long-held knowledge of aliens and borrowed technology, particularly the anal probes they so like giving AND receiving. I mean, have you ever know a politician that doesn't walk like he's got a stick up his arse?
Yup, governments/politicians have knowledge of aliens alright... they know too much... and who do you think introduced the anal probe at tax time? They want to know the ins and outs of everything you did all year, and what better way than an anal probe.
Actually, I'm quite disgusted in our pollies! It's one thing for them to enjoy anal probes, but I don't think they should have the right/be able to inflict them on the rest of the populace. And this one-size-fits-all policy stinks! Rich folks have more money, so at tax time they should get probed more thoroughly with larger implements than us ordinary folk.
I'll have you know that the elastic in my knickers... er, jockey briefs is quite adequate and working well, thank you.
starkers wears knickers, starkers wears knickers, hahaha
And believe it. They're out there.
Actually, they more resemble a circus tent ... what with gravity and the size of my butt these days.
Oh yes, they're out there orright!
The question is, how many are down here... like the idea for "Men In Black' didn't just come from thin air, did it? Me thinks those MIB movies are based on fact.. just that names have been change to protect the innocent... and the not so innocent. I mean, there's politicians and government agencies that have been lying to us for years... decades, even.
This is a good post, Elana, if I may elaborate some...
I do believe the mass Mexico sightings were a little more recent than 20 years ago, but, they also bring to mind two little Mexican Girls who said they saw the Virgin Mary on a much earlier occasion. IIRC the story went something like this. There were these two Mexican Girls, sisters, out picking berries or something near their small village when they came upon the Virgin Mary hovering looking down on them. She told the two girls to tell everyone she would appear again and to bring as many people as they could to hear the message. The two girls told everyone when and where the Virgin Mary said she would appear again to bring a message.
Hundreds, if not thousands of people, gathered to see the Virgin Mary appear again as the two little girls said she would, and true to her word she did. After the second sighting of the Virgin Mary which was a mass sighting TV crews interviewed people in the mass. Many of them said they indeed saw the Virgin Mary, but, oddly enough, about 1/3 of those people gathered said they didn't see the Virgin Mary, but instead, saw what they could only call a "UFO". Keep in mind this was back in the 80's or 70's before the "UFO craze".
If you're a subscriber to the "ancient astronaut" theory then this would lead one to believe that one of their theories is right in that on some genetic level we humans have been "genetically programmed" to see the extra-terrestrials as "Religious Figures" such as the Virgin Mary or Angels.
I know if I was a advanced alien civilization genetically manipulating life on another world for my own uses, I would make them so that they saw me as what-ever version of "God" they worshiped as to make them easier to control.
Your post here, Elana, reminded me that this isn't or wasn't the first time that UFOs have been mistaken for Angels or the Virgin Mary. I'll see if I can't find the article on the two Mexican Girls who saw the Virgin Mary back in the day. It was a big story when it happened. I can't remember where I heard about it now though as it's been too long since I saw the program it was on, but I'll see if I can find it.
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