UFO's and Aliens. Do they exist? Do you think there's even a chance that there is other intelligent life in our galaxy or universe or do you think we Humans are the only intelligent life in all of creation? These are questions that we as a species, man-kind, have asked since as far as our recorded history goes back. Even Ancient man, with no knowledge of modern science or modern understanding of what "Space" was, would look to the night sky at the twinkling stars and wonder...."Are we truly alone?".
Honestly, I've always thought aliens existed. Whether or not they've actually visited this planet at any point in it's history I don't know and I don't think anyone can truly say one way or the other and have definitive proof. Of course there is probably just as much "proof" that aliens don't exist as there is that they do, but, at least we are now discovering for a Fact that there is or was "some form" of life in the universe outside of the planet Earth. We know from microscopic fossils in martian rocks that at one point millions of years ago there was at the very least Single Celled life on Mars. We found this out back in the late 90's. Didn't hear about it? That's not surprising since I only found out about it because of a 10 second mention on ABC's "World News Tonight" back in 96-97. Today how-ever you can research this for your-self as many papers and articles have been published on the subject. A quick Google Search will lead you to many results such as these:
Meteorite Yields Evidence of Primitive Life on Early Mars Source: www.solarviews.com Article from 1997
Fossil Life in Martian Rock Found in Antarctica ? Source: http://spider.seds.org/spider/Mars/Marsrock/marsrocks.html Article from 1996
Proof of Life in Three Martian Rocks May Come This Year Source: www.popsci.com Article from 2010
This is enough in my eyes to call it "Definitive Proof", they're just waiting on the specific results so they can say it's a fact without a shadow of a doubt, and I respect them for waiting and taking it slow and doing the science the right way. A claim such as this can't be rushed no matter how apparent the results of any "proof" might be.
While I do believe in intelligent life outside of this planet, I'm still a skeptic. I mostly believe in what I can see with my own eyes. What I can feel with my own two hands. I think it's important for anyone doing any Serious research into the matter to be a skeptic and to try to dis-prove or debunk as many fakes as possible. With our advances in computers and video editing and special effects it's easier than ever for the nut-jobs and conspiracy wackos out there to make convincing "proof" on their own and it's people like those that bring a bad ilk to any Serious research into the matter. Sadly there are a lot of fakers and crazy people out there working in both directions of the debate. There are people who make fake videos of UFO's and try to pass them off as real and there are various groups and religious zealots who try to prove that Everything is fake and say that None Of It is real and anyone who believes there is intelligent non-human life in the universe is a moron or a liar.
Worse yet there are many people out there who are terrified of the idea that aliens may exist. Some people are so closed minded that no matter what scientific advances we may make or what we may learn about the universe and life its-self, they will Never believe that alien life exists even if aliens were to land on the White-House lawn and announce to the world that they are real and that they are here. Even if that did happen (which of course it hasn't) there would be a certain percentage of the world's population that would say it was faked, even if the proof was pointing a particle cannon at their head.
I'm about to tell a story I've never told publicly before. I've never told it honestly because I'm a little afraid of what it may make people think in regards to my sanity. If you choose to believe it, that's great. If you choose not to believe it, that's great too. One thing I do know for sure, I know what I saw...
Note: Before I get into the story, keep in mind that I was a kid. I was 13 or 14 years old. I had never done any drugs, didn't smoke cigs, didn't drink, and I wasn't a wild kid with a crazy imagination. I never had an "imaginary friend" at any point and even when I did grow up and start "partying" I've never had a hallucination nor have I ever saw something that I wasn't completely sure was right in front of me (magic tricks aside).
It was the summer of the year that my family moved from Deland in Volusia County out to Lake Mack in Lake County, Florida. I had to go to summer school that year to make up a failing English grade in 7th grade English (long story but basically I got screwed out of the grade I should have received). Because there weren't that many kids in my area going to summer school that year all of us in the neighborhood had to meet down at the corner store which was the only bus-stop for summer school that year. School started at 7 A.M. and was all the way in Leesburg (almost an hour from my house). We kids had to be at the bus-stop at 5:30 A.M. because it was a very long ride all the way to Leesburg from where we were in Lake Mack and there were other students to stop and pick up along the way. I was walking to the bus-stop down a long winding road. It was a normal paved road and there were houses and trailers all over the place. Even though the road was deserted because it was so early in the morning it was still a populated and crowded neighborhood. As I was rounding the bends I noticed all the tall pine trees were swaying back and forth pretty hard like there was about to be a storm, but oddly enough I couldn't feel any wind. I'm not going to say there wasn't any wind, there very well could have been and the currents were too high off the ground for me to feel the wind, but, I didn't actually feel any wind.
I was looking up at the tops of the pine trees when a very Large Triangle came out over the trees. At first I thought it was a helicopter and maybe I was seeing the lights on the ends of the rotors but then two things hit me. First, I couldn't hear Any noise. None what-so-ever. Second, if the lights I saw were on the ends of the rotors they would have been spinning very fast and not been stationary. They were also way too far apart to be rotor blades. The object was at least 3 times as high up as the trees, maybe 4 times as high, and it...was....Massive. I'm talking like the size of a Boeing 747, Massive. I quickly realized there was no way in hell that it was a helicopter. There were no flashing lights on it. They were on steadily. There were four lights in total. One larger light in the center and three more slightly smaller lights, one at each tip of the Triangle. I had seen plenty of helicopters up close, even military ones as I've lived close to Deland Airport for most of my time in Deland and seen plenty of air shows and air planes and helicopters first hand. I've seen both the Apache and the smaller Cobra Attack Chopper that it shares it's design with. It's also of note that out in Lake Mack in Lake County we were technically on the out-skirts of the Ocala National Forrest. The army had a bombing range on the far edge of the forrest and at least 3 or 4 times a year you could hear the bombs being dropped and all you had to do was go outside when the planes or helicopters were flying over-head to see what vehicles were doing the bombing. Lake Mack was right underneath their flight path for a long time even though the bombing range its-self was a good 60 or 70 miles away.
Anyway, when I realized just what it was I was looking at....well, I'm not ashamed to admit I got scared and started running for the bus-stop. I didn't look back and I didn't slow down. When I finally got to the point where I could see the store and see the other kids through the darkness standing under the street light at the store I stopped running. I didn't want the other kids thinking I was too scared to walk to the bus-stop in the dark, which I wasn't. I've never been afraid of the dark, not even as a small child. At that point when I stopped running I took the time to look behind me. Not surprisingly I didn't see anything. Nothing. No ship, no Triangle, no wind, and the trees were as still as could be since there was no wind.
I'm not gonna say I know for sure that it was aliens. I don't and to surmise that with no further evidence would be kinda stupid in my eyes. What I do know is that I have no idea what it was and it WASN'T a conventional aircraft. I honestly don't know what It was, but I do know I have Never seen Anything like It nor have I since. That one experience has led me to believe in intelligent life outside of this planet. I can't say it Was aliens. I can say I Think it was, because I have no other explanation for it.
So.....what do YOU believe? Do YOU think we're alone in the universe? Or do YOU think there is far more out there then we could ever dream is possible?
Nice to see your return Star Adder. There is no good time for a pc to caput.... But Christmas. Blasphemy!!!
And yeah, #416. I actually contemplated that one. But, like you said about The Daily show. What a face
did someone really try to use the concept of causality to prove the existence of god?
Seeing as you've obviously read the post and don't need to ask that question, if you have something in the way of a refutation, please post it. I've put this past many people to make sure that the reasoning is sound, and even the most defiant who refuse to believe it regardless, have not been able to refute a word of it.
Most respond in the same manner as you did. I imagine that by now, if someone had something substantial to say, they would have opened with that.
"did someone really try to use the concept of causality to prove the existence of god?"
Yes, and it's also possible to prove mathematically that one = zero = infinity, and that helicopters and bumblebees cannot fly.
God is a creation of man.
Man is such an egotist he forgets that.
#427 wasn't a question....it was a statement of incredulity.
Yes. Bishop George Berkeley (after whom the San Francisco Bay town and U.C. branch was named).
btw, has anyone seen RavenX? Abducted, perhaps?
The way I see it is Grey. I don't believe in God or Luck. We make our own decisions and go on from there.
Then, what about energy. Which is neither created or destroyed. Energy, which supposedly weighs 10 grams, when we die, disappears?
Zombie Ghosts...
{i've had unexplainable photos? but, no ghosts}
Just because we don't know doesn't mean there wasn't anything extraordinary happening.Well, we can assume that Alien is existed somewhere in the corner of our galaxy. So what about God? You believe that God doesn't existed. But what if we can't find him / her just because we don't have the technology to find him / her?
Like Amoeba or virus. We don't know that they are existed until we have microscope.
Ya think? You know what if that's what it's all about... A way to ensure 'our' genes future. Diversify...
Could have just dropped us off with a few ships. Instead of making us Amoeba's.
Actually they DID drop off amoebas, and mitocondria (sp).. they found each other and the rest is ... history.
SBS here in Aus did a good doco about the whole "convince me there are aliens" thing.
See: My mum talks to aliens for the doco and SBS for its homepage
And for the
Overall the show is not conclusive yet it does have some very interesting stuff that I would like to see a follow up on. Also check out the footage of the lights in the field (available via the link). I do believe it could be faked using video editing software and this is something I have to let others test for, but the lights are very strange and also have such precise definition. If you check out the "discuss" part of the page you'll see somebody suggest the same effect can be gained via putting glow sticks in balloons, bullsheep! The definition of the objects is just way too good for a glow stick in a balloon.
Check it out.
I've been seriously ill, Doc, with crohn's disease and the complications from it. I've been wanting to make a post about it to explain what's been going on with me (or lack there of) but I'm finding it hard to do because honestly I don't like admitting it to my-self, much less spilling my personal health details to the world like I'm looking for sympathy or something...
I'll make a post about it tonight, I'm determined. To summarize it all up though to the bottom line, staying in anything but a laying down position cause extreme pain, which means actually sitting in my chair to be on the computer causes extreme pain, so, I'm limited to very few precious minutes on the computer before I have to retreat back to my bed to lay down. It's not a pretty situation.
I appreciate the concern though my friend. Thank you. I'm glad I took the few minutes to check back on this thread or I would have missed this message as I've missed so many others.
Btw...I'd seriously welcome an alien abduction at this point...LoL. Either they'd fix me up or put me out of my misery, that's for sure.
Energy has no weight. In the SI system it is the Joule, in the foot pound system the foot.poundforce. Thermal energy can be measured in calories (1 calorie = 4.2 Joules), or in BTU (1 BTU = 1.055 kilojoules)Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_unit_measurement_for_energy#ixzz1AZPpvkgb
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Hey, RavenX. I'm so sorry to hear of your trouble. Crohn's is no picnic, that's for sure.
No hurries to do anything. The last thing you need is pressure.
I do not, DO NOT want you to do anything but rest. If something hurts, it's a sign that damage is being done. Therefore, DON'T! Hey...forget the Doc part... SD/WC in a moment of madness made me a Mod. Therefore, hear and obey! JK about the madness not about resting.
Please, rest up until you're feeling stronger and better.
Glad the aliens didn't get you, mate.
Thanks brother, I appreciate it, it really means a lot man. Glad to hear they made you a Mod over there! I don't know anyone who deserves it more . Don't forget part of your new responsibility now is to give Jafo hell when-ever and as often as you have the chance
@ Jafo j/k bro hehe
joules and kijoules.... That's what I'm talkin about!
Every lady loves her Joules...
hehehe... I'll tell him you sent me.
[quote who="Jafo" reply="439" id="2864228"].....and he does too....
Yeah! naaah.
Thanks, RavenX.
You got joules ... I got ergs. Ergs rock.
Paper
Sounds like a "wrap" to me.
Rock, paper, scissors. {hmm, a rock wrap.}
Oh, well the sheer stupidity of claiming causality as proof of god seemed to not require any response other than the incredulous.
Though really claiming 'anything' as proof of god is equally asinine, just that 'causality' seems especially ridiculous considering the major tenants of most religions.
Then again perhaps you are talking about some generic god concept rather than any of the specific ones available. However your blather about evolution makes one think you are some kind of christian ID proponent. Apologies if I am wrong about that.
Allow me to refute your post.
Prove causality is necessary.
There did I do it?
When it comes to g_d-talk, ultimate creator(ess), unmoved mover, etc.. all the philosophical discussions about g_d-ness... AND all the religious g_d-talk (yes, I'm painting with a pretty big brush, here..), it all boils down to this:
The only rational position to take is the agnostic, "I don't know if g_d-ness exists. People of faith (myself included) and people who insist there is no g_d-ness both are holding positions that are essentially based on 'stuff' that is subjective. As long as there is one time bit of the universe, knowledge, etc., there exists a 'pace' where our knowledge does not go, so there is the possibility of the "g_d of thegaps" being in this 'place.'
The same reasoning applies to the atheist position: until we have all 'knowledge' of 'everything,' one cannot logically insist that g_d -ness does not exist, because g_d-ness MIGHT be in that 'place' we havn't 'known' yet.
I am a person of faith, but that faith is for me. I admit there is no rational proof. I don't know.
"Though really claiming 'anything' as proof of god is equally asinine, just that 'causality' seems especially ridiculous considering the major tenants of most religions."
Though in this case "tenants" might be relevant, I think you may have been wanting "tenets" ....
The OP is about saucers, ET and 'belief'.
Belief is not proof, nor does it need proof.
If you see something 'unexplained' belief will make it what you want it to be.
Cosmic muffin.......
It certainly doesn't need any sidetracked rubbish about 'causality'. - shucks....crop circles....causality would have you demanding there MUST be saucers landing....since, golly, NO 'human' did them [admitted to doing them].
Semi-quasi-psycho-babble will PROVE the world is flat.....so....
Go to the edge and step off.....
Please....
I have a 15 year old daughter who's an alien.
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