UFO's and Aliens. Do they exist? Do you think there's even a chance that there is other intelligent life in our galaxy or universe or do you think we Humans are the only intelligent life in all of creation? These are questions that we as a species, man-kind, have asked since as far as our recorded history goes back. Even Ancient man, with no knowledge of modern science or modern understanding of what "Space" was, would look to the night sky at the twinkling stars and wonder...."Are we truly alone?".
Honestly, I've always thought aliens existed. Whether or not they've actually visited this planet at any point in it's history I don't know and I don't think anyone can truly say one way or the other and have definitive proof. Of course there is probably just as much "proof" that aliens don't exist as there is that they do, but, at least we are now discovering for a Fact that there is or was "some form" of life in the universe outside of the planet Earth. We know from microscopic fossils in martian rocks that at one point millions of years ago there was at the very least Single Celled life on Mars. We found this out back in the late 90's. Didn't hear about it? That's not surprising since I only found out about it because of a 10 second mention on ABC's "World News Tonight" back in 96-97. Today how-ever you can research this for your-self as many papers and articles have been published on the subject. A quick Google Search will lead you to many results such as these:
Meteorite Yields Evidence of Primitive Life on Early Mars Source: www.solarviews.com Article from 1997
Fossil Life in Martian Rock Found in Antarctica ? Source: http://spider.seds.org/spider/Mars/Marsrock/marsrocks.html Article from 1996
Proof of Life in Three Martian Rocks May Come This Year Source: www.popsci.com Article from 2010
This is enough in my eyes to call it "Definitive Proof", they're just waiting on the specific results so they can say it's a fact without a shadow of a doubt, and I respect them for waiting and taking it slow and doing the science the right way. A claim such as this can't be rushed no matter how apparent the results of any "proof" might be.
While I do believe in intelligent life outside of this planet, I'm still a skeptic. I mostly believe in what I can see with my own eyes. What I can feel with my own two hands. I think it's important for anyone doing any Serious research into the matter to be a skeptic and to try to dis-prove or debunk as many fakes as possible. With our advances in computers and video editing and special effects it's easier than ever for the nut-jobs and conspiracy wackos out there to make convincing "proof" on their own and it's people like those that bring a bad ilk to any Serious research into the matter. Sadly there are a lot of fakers and crazy people out there working in both directions of the debate. There are people who make fake videos of UFO's and try to pass them off as real and there are various groups and religious zealots who try to prove that Everything is fake and say that None Of It is real and anyone who believes there is intelligent non-human life in the universe is a moron or a liar.
Worse yet there are many people out there who are terrified of the idea that aliens may exist. Some people are so closed minded that no matter what scientific advances we may make or what we may learn about the universe and life its-self, they will Never believe that alien life exists even if aliens were to land on the White-House lawn and announce to the world that they are real and that they are here. Even if that did happen (which of course it hasn't) there would be a certain percentage of the world's population that would say it was faked, even if the proof was pointing a particle cannon at their head.
I'm about to tell a story I've never told publicly before. I've never told it honestly because I'm a little afraid of what it may make people think in regards to my sanity. If you choose to believe it, that's great. If you choose not to believe it, that's great too. One thing I do know for sure, I know what I saw...
Note: Before I get into the story, keep in mind that I was a kid. I was 13 or 14 years old. I had never done any drugs, didn't smoke cigs, didn't drink, and I wasn't a wild kid with a crazy imagination. I never had an "imaginary friend" at any point and even when I did grow up and start "partying" I've never had a hallucination nor have I ever saw something that I wasn't completely sure was right in front of me (magic tricks aside).
It was the summer of the year that my family moved from Deland in Volusia County out to Lake Mack in Lake County, Florida. I had to go to summer school that year to make up a failing English grade in 7th grade English (long story but basically I got screwed out of the grade I should have received). Because there weren't that many kids in my area going to summer school that year all of us in the neighborhood had to meet down at the corner store which was the only bus-stop for summer school that year. School started at 7 A.M. and was all the way in Leesburg (almost an hour from my house). We kids had to be at the bus-stop at 5:30 A.M. because it was a very long ride all the way to Leesburg from where we were in Lake Mack and there were other students to stop and pick up along the way. I was walking to the bus-stop down a long winding road. It was a normal paved road and there were houses and trailers all over the place. Even though the road was deserted because it was so early in the morning it was still a populated and crowded neighborhood. As I was rounding the bends I noticed all the tall pine trees were swaying back and forth pretty hard like there was about to be a storm, but oddly enough I couldn't feel any wind. I'm not going to say there wasn't any wind, there very well could have been and the currents were too high off the ground for me to feel the wind, but, I didn't actually feel any wind.
I was looking up at the tops of the pine trees when a very Large Triangle came out over the trees. At first I thought it was a helicopter and maybe I was seeing the lights on the ends of the rotors but then two things hit me. First, I couldn't hear Any noise. None what-so-ever. Second, if the lights I saw were on the ends of the rotors they would have been spinning very fast and not been stationary. They were also way too far apart to be rotor blades. The object was at least 3 times as high up as the trees, maybe 4 times as high, and it...was....Massive. I'm talking like the size of a Boeing 747, Massive. I quickly realized there was no way in hell that it was a helicopter. There were no flashing lights on it. They were on steadily. There were four lights in total. One larger light in the center and three more slightly smaller lights, one at each tip of the Triangle. I had seen plenty of helicopters up close, even military ones as I've lived close to Deland Airport for most of my time in Deland and seen plenty of air shows and air planes and helicopters first hand. I've seen both the Apache and the smaller Cobra Attack Chopper that it shares it's design with. It's also of note that out in Lake Mack in Lake County we were technically on the out-skirts of the Ocala National Forrest. The army had a bombing range on the far edge of the forrest and at least 3 or 4 times a year you could hear the bombs being dropped and all you had to do was go outside when the planes or helicopters were flying over-head to see what vehicles were doing the bombing. Lake Mack was right underneath their flight path for a long time even though the bombing range its-self was a good 60 or 70 miles away.
Anyway, when I realized just what it was I was looking at....well, I'm not ashamed to admit I got scared and started running for the bus-stop. I didn't look back and I didn't slow down. When I finally got to the point where I could see the store and see the other kids through the darkness standing under the street light at the store I stopped running. I didn't want the other kids thinking I was too scared to walk to the bus-stop in the dark, which I wasn't. I've never been afraid of the dark, not even as a small child. At that point when I stopped running I took the time to look behind me. Not surprisingly I didn't see anything. Nothing. No ship, no Triangle, no wind, and the trees were as still as could be since there was no wind.
I'm not gonna say I know for sure that it was aliens. I don't and to surmise that with no further evidence would be kinda stupid in my eyes. What I do know is that I have no idea what it was and it WASN'T a conventional aircraft. I honestly don't know what It was, but I do know I have Never seen Anything like It nor have I since. That one experience has led me to believe in intelligent life outside of this planet. I can't say it Was aliens. I can say I Think it was, because I have no other explanation for it.
So.....what do YOU believe? Do YOU think we're alone in the universe? Or do YOU think there is far more out there then we could ever dream is possible?
That's a real possibility. And finding us first they'd have the advanced technology.
One step at a time I guess. And maybe someones got plans for that already.
Maybe they already enjoy our Coca-Cola.
{would I want them here? Yes. But, we have to take the good with the bad.}
They'd be doing themselves a favor by not coming here. Lets say ET has the technology for interstellar flight, that they can travel between planetary systems. That very same technology would be advanced enough to relieve air pollution among other ills. Coming here would only make them sick as a dog the stench would be so bad.
the best way to explain all the "UFO sightings"... liars looking for attention. There are no aliens.
Can't be proven one way or the other. Best way to prove ET exists ....... wait until First Contact is made. Done. Now give it a rest.
Only the Doc knows fer sure ......
Only an alien would say that.
I'm going to say something, and I want you to read it, and then disregard it until such a time when it is made known to the greater population.
No material person or thing from this planet has ever left the Earth's inner orbit. The further you try to travel, the harder the going. Sort of like plunging into the depths of the ocean. The pressure increases. The moon has never been reached. No probes have been sent to Mars. Space exploration has benefited communications and scientific knowledge, and that is all.
This is a thing hard for me to say, and hard to accept, as I love the idea of intra and inter-galactic civilizations. It's a beautiful fantasy. As for proof, I can only go into a long rant about motives and who stands to gain, and about how none of us has actually witnessed any space vehicle leaving inner orbit. However, my information comes from a different source altogether. Do I expect this to be convincing to any degree? Not at all. Just dump it into the recycle bin of your mind, to be restored when the information is inevitably leaked to the public. Given the recent state of events, it could happen soon enough.
We'll all know soon enough if there's life whether intelligent or not out there just as soon as google maps finishes mapping earth
When you can post FACTS ....... not fantasies or your version of the truth ...... then you'll have a serious thread going. Some of the comment I've read here are ....... a bit of a stretch.
Asking to prove something you hear about from every which way ( videos and so on media ) that you think its not true well you see videos about it and so on ...can you prove its not true ?Can you Prove that there is no xtraterestial beeing out there can you?No you cant, we cant, we might be able to enhance our sight through fancy telescopes, we are able to land on the moon but WE are unable to tell you more than 20% about whats underneath the water of our small Planet earth.Fact is we know barly about the brown note we are talking about. And Fact is that we dont know shit about Stonehenge, we dont know nothing about how the Egypts build those Pyramids-with what help did they do it that they are perfectly in Line with others,Who gave the greeks the golden ratio to build with, we dont even know how the Maya´s made their super precize calender, we dont know where all that Knowlege came from about our solarsystem that they had, now iam asking you how could they have that information ? how ? they couldnt even see those planets them urbans had no telescopes...Let me continue a bit more IS our Planet a Lifeform itself and is there life inside of the Earth or Moon and other Planets ? And know for an example how much HOW MUCH we exeeded with that knowlege and brilliance that we got from the past:
Im asking you do you know how many Satelites we have? No? mhhk ok take a look : http://www.gearthblog.com/satellites.html
with those ( few ) satelites we are still unable to know whats going on underneath our water...The bad thing is that we are afraid of beeing not on top of the food chain also we are afraid of the unknown and if something would be more intelligent then us we would possibly press a dumb button that would cause atom contaminated kids for 20 years and bunch of dead humanoids.And thats SAD also its sad that we got changed from we live to make stuff happening that our kids get a better life to we dont give a shit and dumb our trash right on the street and so on attitude.
My conclusion for this after reading about some stuff is indeed that we are unaware of what is happening to us we are indeed modern slaves we all are maybee without chains but those became unneccesary with the 24/7 observing.Its all about buisness and who got the biggest.Your not a slave ? How can you explain this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iYh44Yjkzs&feature=related i know bla bla conspiricy you just deny it because its the easiest way to deal with it and then you will simply say this isnt true now iam asking prove me wrong. And this is happening all over the world sadly. we get lied on best example was the 11th sep sorry to mention it.
When you can rant and make sense then I'll listen. Proof is not speculation which is all you have if I read you correctly. Others words seem to convince you. Proof is concrete ... hard physical evidence that the senses cannot deny. When you can show me that then you'll have something to say.
Aliens have already been here. Pyramids, Nazca lines, crop circles, angel of the north.. I mean, no human could have made those, right?
Solipsism and tautology.
Hi, to Istari. Every time I see your nic I hear Italian. Is that OK wit yous Istari? Forget about it. [kidding, Merry Christmas]
And yes Fuzzy Logic, all those ufo ships and alien hieroglyphics in caves are actual fact to me. Not to mention what you mentioned.
ok indeed i cant provide any evidence at all but you dont need evidence if you can calculate 1 and 1 together. Its the same with believeing in God you cant prove that he exists but you still believe in it.(And why do you do so?) Its in some way almost the same unless you have some hints of remaining culture that had some facts that there must have been something superior to help us. Also if you would like some evidence, maybee you would say those people are insane or how you would call tem there is a report of a highly ranked General ( i guess you could trust him ) about UFo sightings back in WW2 near the Antarctis while they were hunting down the Germans. The evidence here is that 100 german submarines just vanished but there were logfiles about them moving towards Antarkis but no log of them returning or what so ever just beeb gone. Also the Generals Army totaly outranked the germans but why did they fall back you might read his report all i know is that the story is very convincing but thats not the whole thing you will find plenty evidecne hard proof stuff that agrees with that story the doku is called Hollow earth - fiction or reality to many names to list but you can use wikipedia and research a little more.The point im trying to make is i didnt believe in the beginning aswell i also waited for some real evidence but waiting wont get you anywhere : I picked this doku since you can actually find diffrent storys that compliment each other from diffrent sources.But you wont find any evidence about it that it did not happen ...while there is prove that it did ( logfiles and so on ) sorry for my bad english.Also i dont want to convert anyone Also a good example is Bob Lazar the goverment said he never worked at Area51 also this was top top secret back then and now you can find plenty evidence about it.The Truth remains hidden and a hard spelled "maybee" its a good thing since some people couldnt take it.But real evidence about an alien throwing snowballs in my garden sorry dont have that kind of material...
I have no doubt there are unidentified flying objects. I just doubt they are alien spaceships.
Guess you think we're pretty smart aye?
hehe no doubt about that you cant be sure about if its us or an alien here on earth but out in space i think that would be to risky for us to pull off.i dont know if this is true or fiction but since we have media and google there should have been the first spacecraft crash in Roswell 1947.All i know is that some amazing scientist got captured to work in an unknown area and again you can google or wiki for that one of them was Viktor Schauberger the guy who invented the Repulsine. After he was captured he was forced to provide is plans and never ever talk about them again you can read that aswell now i mentioned Bob Lazar at the beginning he was there aswell and guess on what he worked... some flying sourcer thing.Now we can believe him or not fact is that the goverment denied him working there, while others that did said he was ! BOB was one of the only guys that went public with his knowlege about it since that day his career ended rapidly.But i think the technologie itself wasnt Human... at least Bob Lazar descibed it that way that it was to small to fit a grown human with average size
I'm going to say something, and I want you to read it, and then disregard it until such a time when it is made known to the greater population.No material person or thing from this planet has ever left the Earth's inner orbit. The further you try to travel, the harder the going. Sort of like plunging into the depths of the ocean. The pressure increases. The moon has never been reached. No probes have been sent to Mars. Space exploration has benefited communications and scientific knowledge, and that is all.This is a thing hard for me to say, and hard to accept, as I love the idea of intra and inter-galactic civilizations. It's a beautiful fantasy. As for proof, I can only go into a long rant about motives and who stands to gain, and about how none of us has actually witnessed any space vehicle leaving inner orbit. However, my information comes from a different source altogether. Do I expect this to be convincing to any degree? Not at all. Just dump it into the recycle bin of your mind, to be restored when the information is inevitably leaked to the public. Given the recent state of events, it could happen soon enough.
You're gonna have to explain that one to me Doc.
Hey miss. Italian? hehehe. I think Tolkien would have liked that connection. Marri Chreestamas.
It would depend on how you define Alien. It would not be a stretch to include Antony Gormley I think.
Isn't it funny though that the unexplainable things that used to be attributed to God, the devil or witches, are now being blamed on ET? I wonder who or what will be the mystery scapegoats of the coming generations.
So if your argument is true why is it that there are some huge retro reflectors on the moon ? Maybee because Apollo11-14 and 15 dropped it there ?Its amazing that some people still believe the moon landing was a hoax..
http://physics.ucsd.edu/~tmurphy/apollo/lrrr.html
You point a laser at the sky, and at a particular configuration, an electronic signal from the device tells your computer that a reflection bounced back, and your computer relays this information on-screen. Well I can't argue with that. My computer is now telling me where to find the last Golden Ticket in exchange for a lifetime supply of chocolate.
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