I'm so disappointed with this game so far...

Well... two things:

1. It's not really a game yet

2. what makes you so disappointed? 

I agree I can never tell what spell books I have access to. Little more organization in the area would be nice.

Next youll have those religous types saying "NO WITCHCRAFT!".

Then some hippy will say "no war,  duuuuuudeee"

And then all we will be left with is Elemental: Of.

Which some governer of some state in the USA will object to as he wants the children in his land to grow up learning about the firery gods of sarcrfice and dosn't want them to know anything about science.

And then they will come for Brad, and nobody will be left to stand up and say "Don't be a foo!" because all the fun of the game was destroyed by interest groups. Let us now mourne the passing of fun.

I would say your argument is just as ridiculous. Should they add child molesters? Or perhaps add rape to the game, or any other choice that a person can do? Your claiming that those who oppose something are the oppressors but if something is allowed, regardless of whether someone chooses to participate, still shows acceptance of it. To those who find this topic morally offensive, that would in fact be "forcing" it on them. I am not saying I disagree or agree with the topic of homosexuality, I just think you should see it from both sides.

Don't spread misinformation please. What Church are you talking about? Not the Catholic Church, nor the Orthodox church, nor the Islamic churches allow, nor celebrate Homosexual marriages. Even most protestant churches do not allow Homosexual marriages. You are talking about a very small minority that do allow and/or celebrate it.

Another thing, Alexander was not the greatest empire builder and warlord of all time. That honor goes to Ghenghis Khan who conquered the largest empire in the history of the world. I would than also go on to say look at the Roman Empire. They are probably the greatest influence on modern civilization of any other empire, not to mention the longest standing empire of all time. Alexander's empire was very short lived and did not last past his death.

I really hope your not getting all your information from the movie that came out a few years ago. It is true that in Greece, it was acceptable for older men to have sex with younger boys, but I would not say that Alexander especially loved a guy more than a woman and same sex marriage was never allowed. While they may have enjoyed homosexual sex on occasion, they understood that it had nothing to do with marriage as a marriage encompassed a man and a woman who could produce offspring to continue the family line. The movie may have portrayed Alexander in that way but it was a dramatization and personal opinion, not actual historical fact. I also don't equate racial marriage to be the same thing as same sex marriage as you are doing. 

The two are not even remotely related, and you implying they are is an insult to every rape victim. Congratulations.

Everyone knows a willful marriage/union of two men or two women is the same as extreme forced physical abuse, right?

Flood gate arguments are a red herring logical fallacy.

To put it in another way, where does the developer have to draw the line with anyone's moral sensibilities? These are subjective to each person, and not universally objective. For example, what if a person demanded females to have covered faces, or no interracial relationships, or no this or that or the other thing.

My answer to that question is, the developers should go with their gut feeling, and not play to the whims of everyone's sensibilities. That's free speech in action. As long as it fits in with the lore, and they feel it adds to the gameplay why would it bother you? Now I also don't think they should have it just to be politically polite.

If something in the game offends you, don't buy it, or mod it out yourself. Don't go demanding censorship so that you don't, god forbid, see something you're offended by. Don't try to push your moral qualms on people who obviously don't think exactly the same way you do.

And it sickens me when people compare something non-violent, mutual, which has no effect on you or your life, or anyone elses who's not involved, to things like rape, killing, and child molestation. They are clearly completely different things, completely different levels, and one group is completely justifiable, while the other one is just plain prejudice.

Again, they'll have it in the game if they feel it has a purpose. Get over it.

I agree, where do they have to draw the line with anyone's moral sensibilities? But that goes both ways. Again, what you are proposing is the same thing that you are condemning. Of course a line must be drawn eventually as you mentioned, but I would draw the line at what fits in the context of the game, not something that is just extra fluff with no substance.

It is true that there are different degrees of what is wrong. A simple lie would not be seen the same as killing, etc. But I would say to you, that all that is wrong is just plain wrong regardless of the effect it has on others or yourself. Comparing degrees of wrong is a futile argument in my opinion.

He vilified himself. He had absolutely no answer to the original posed question and went off on a tangent. There's no "moral" issue with rape, as there is with same-sex marriage. There's no "legalize rape!" movement in society. You don't get to compare rape to a purely moral issue and then say "Oh but I only meant in terms of choice!". It doesn't work that way. It's not only idiotic, but also a completely nonsensical argument. Just because one thing isn't explicitly filtered, does not mean it's specifically designed that way.

Like I said, they should only include it if it fits a function within the context of the game and its lore. It shouldn't be there just to be polite. I feel it also shouldn't be taken out just to be polite if they do feel it has a purpose.

And that's a nice opinion you have on things either being plain wrong, or right; however, I see the world in shades of gray, not black and white like you do apparently. 

Want my opinion? Any argument or opinion that can't be objectively justified with empirical evidence or objective logic is invalid. That includes morality.

It is a nice opinion, which keeps me from doing wrong most of the time as I am not perfect. It also keeps me from judging others and trying to belittle others. I am not trying to insult anyone and nothing I have said was meant to insult, nor am I angry at any of the posts as some others seem to be. I also understand both sides of the argument and the feelings involved, something which I feel like you don't despite you seeing the world in shades of gray. Anyway, this conversation is going off topic now.

This kind of thing is not insignificant to those whos entire belief system hindges on such things. Which is a good point about something in game.

(OMG Something about Elemental the game!)

The only belief system seems to be Kingdom vs Empire or Life vs Death which isn't really what Im talking about. Where is the holy rites? The sarcrifices to sun gods? The black church? The regalia stained with blood?

Im guessing this will all be absent right? I do love a nice religious aspect in games.

Good job everyone.  Discussing things like this on internet forums always leads to a constructive conclusion.  It's never ever a complete waste of time that just leads to bad feelings and higher blood pressure.

Well played everyone, well played.

*sarcasm off*

Stop cluttering game-related threads with this futile BS.