i dont get the question

it will be displayed like every other stat

but its not a lot cmon

its the same that happens when you move on road on civ you have move counting 0.5

1. It's important to have some kind of Initiative rating so the defending unit might actually get to attack first.

2-4. I think attack speed and movement speed should be separated even if they use the same Action Points. As someone suggested, attack cost = Action Points/Combat speed could work. I just hope the numbers could be simplified to full integers. Decimals are a big turn off for anyone but a math geek.

That way you can have infantry and cavalry move at a different rate but cavalry does not necessarily attack twice as fast.

I would still like to see some Damage vs. Armor considerations. So that you could have fast attacking units with less damage per strike and slower heavy hitters. The former would be the best against lightly armored targets but weak against heavily armored ones who would be more vulnerable to the heavy hitters. This would bring another strategic level of building your units against a particular opponent, while potentially leaving you weaker against a third faction.

Yes, I think the key here is too keep the AP system, but have a move cost 1 AP where the maximum number of tiles is determined by the movement speed of a unit. An attack costs a number of APs determined by a units combat speed (base speed modified by weapon/armor/equipment/potions/spells). If a unit has any leftover APs at the end of the turn those can be used for additional retaliations.

This way a basically untrained foot unit with 1 AP and a movement speed of 1 and a combat speed of 1 could either move 1 tile or attack once while a fast and better trained unit like cav (2 APs, movement speed 3, combat speed 0,4 due to heavy equipment) could move 3 tiles and attack once, or move only move 6 tiles and have no attack.

If both units dont do anything during their turn they go into defensive mode and are able to retaliate more than once (2 for the untrained unit - 1 base +1 from leftover AP, 3 for the better trained unit - 1 base +2 from leftover AP).

I think that with different stats for movement abd attacks we basically keep the AP system and give the player choices (always good IMO) while being able to "realistically" represent all kinds of units form slow and weak to fast and strong in addition to being able to set up defensive positions if leftover APs can be used for additional retaliations.

CharonJr

Eh, I've suggested this a long time ago. Here is the topic. This is a must have feature. Attacking 1 tile from multiple directions in the same time makes a lot of sense afterall.

There is a problem if your CS is lower than 1: you won't be able to have any action points for attacking.

There should be few general rules (unless countered by effect/special ability):

- if your unit haven't use yet any AP, it can always move at least one tile or attack one adjacent unit.

- even if your unit have used all its AP, it can retaliate against the first attacker

I would keep what is quoted for defining AP and AP costs.

After the general rules has been applied, you can do an action only if you have enough AP left.

I would keep the AP you haven't you during your turn for retaliating more than one when your attacked, the first allowed retaliation reducing you remaining AP. And I would define the cost of counter attacking being the same than attacking.

With all theses rules we have:

- if you don't do anything during your turn, you have your Combat speed has the number of counter attack

- if you use all your AP during your turn, you can counter attack 1 time

- If you have 3 AP and a CS of 3, you can move 1 tile and strike 2 counter attack

Yep, this is what I've suggested as well right before you've made your post. -> If we want a somewhat realistic combat system, Combat Speed and Movement Speed must be separated, even tho maybe it's too late for that, since the release date is close.

I would rather have AP than movement speed. I am for movement costing different amounts of AP rather than eveery unit having a certain length it can run. Then you would have to decide what to do with your AP more than you would otherwise.

If we can't get the stats split up, I think this is the next best thing. It gives you a reasonably good effective split (in that boosting combat speed boosts your attacks without also inflating movement, and vice versa, thus fixing the cavalry being able to shoot a bow really fast problem), and it also allows fast attackers to counterattack more effectively. That one is really important to me personally, as a footman with a dagger really shouldn't be able to counterattack the same number of times as a Dragon (which can do it using claws, tail, or teeth).

Best of all since it's tinkering with the costs on existing stats, it seems pretty doable. Great suggestion.

edit - One thing I would say is that a unit should be able to attack at least once. That is if you have AP = 4 and combat speed = 1, you should be able to move 3 and attack once (the attack in this case would cost 4, but just uses whatever you have left). A unit with AP = 4 and combat speed = 2 could also move 3 and attack once, or move 1 and attack twice.

Good point.

- Actually it should cost more AP to use a bow than to use a sword (get new arrow, arm bow, aiming!, shooting), so moving and shooting on the same turn should only be possible for trained units (and Legolas)

- there should be the possibility to miss with a bow, especially on longer distances, this percentage should be increased if the unit wears armor, rides on a horse etc.

- you can't attack adjacent units with a bow

- the normal bow/arrow should not penetrate a plate armor (but there should be a low possibility to hit where there is no armor) but on very short distances (2 tiles). The damage a ranged attack does should be decreased by range

Actually a bowman should be able to kite a heavy armored warrior around. There is no way somebody in heavy armor would be able to catch up with a lightly armored ranged unit unless the ranged unit lets it happen.

CharonJr

Combat Ability Brainstorming:

Long Reach: Unit attacks first on defense, except against other units with Long Reach.

Monster Hunter:  Unit gets 3x Combat Speed added to Defense against melee attacks.

Shock and Awe: Air spells cast in combat reduce enemy morale.

Shield Wall: Unit gains minor boosts to defense when used in large squads.

Volley:  Special ranged attack: Requires all action points, but any casualties inflicted reduce enemy morale. (Alternative: Reduces target action points by number of casualties inflicted.)

Grim: Unit never retreats.

Berserker: Unit automatically casts Berserk after taking damage.

Tempest Warrior: Unit has partial immunity to battlefield-wide spells.

Stunning: Melee strikes by this unit drain enemy action points.

Overwhelm: If this unit inflicts more damage than it receives, the defending unit is pushed back one tile, displacing in turn any other units behind it. Displaced units lose their action points.

Nae True Man/Nae True Fallen: Unit gains combat speed bonuses if fighting fellow men/fallen.

Heraldry: Gain Morale and Combat Speed bonuses if a faction Champion is present in the battle.

Intimidation: Units attempting to attack this unit are required to make a morale check first.

Skilled Rider: This units combat speed is improved when riding a mount. (Faction trait?)

Warden: Unit receives bonus hit points when fighting defensively.

Exploit: Unit gains attack bonuses if the defending unit has already been attacked this turn.

Absolutely unrealistic. I don't like this idea. Creatures must be diverse. Example: Slow creatures, which are able to land many hits / turn - like a Naga ; Fast creatures which are only able to hit 1 time / turn - like a warg rider ; etc.