You might as well just have a short cooldown ... so the problem is that the player would get several dreadnoughts (cooldown triggering is very basic for abilities) and nothing else (or a small number of other ships) as the fleet logistic slots are filled.

This still does not address your major concern regarding Dreads ... " with the dread factory, i can just turtle and build up more and higher level dreads and then steam roll the map...  i dont uppgrade either my fleet cap or my cap ship cap and i can still roam around with 20 dreadnaughts. pretty overpowered.. " firstly that's a 10 hour+ game you are playing (Dreads are produced every 30mins), I'm surprised the AI's didn't come visiting with its Dreads and capitals.

Now based on your comment ... "Hmm, i dont know abouth slower build, the ai generally just uses them as stronger capitols, they really only shine when you get them to lvl 6+ and can transform them. So unless you could let the Ai get them at lvl 10 i think the current build rate need to stay because they die real fast at lvl 1-4." Maybe the thing to do is back-off the Super-Dreadnought  enhancements.

By the way did you notice the problem you described before, that is with the pirates, playing diplomacy 1.21?

Hi Malanthor,

Thanks for getting back to me.

I'll give it a try!

What I'm trying to determine is the version of Maelstrom that you noticed the problem. I think there is a problem with the Diplomacy 1.21 version. Moving from 1.011 to 1.21 broke a critical ability for the pirates i.e explore.

In R4 I've tried to change the behavior of the pirates to emulate a typical AI player. They can colonize and build 'orbital structures'. Also there is a new class of pirate frigates ... raiders. The raiders go out in small groups to terrorize and raid neighboring planets. The 'stay at home' pirates get into squabbles and are constantly fighting each other when they have no other enemy to attack. This has been implemented via abilities, were one ability is dependent on another, and as such the balance is quite difficult and if one ability is 'shot' then the balance crumbs. I have seen this (pirate 'legion') once in a 1.21 game, I have not seen it with any other patch of Maelstrom ... or at least not as seriously.

Oh yeah, i am playing your latest mod 1.21  That was where what i described took place, they had lots of orbital structures, ship factories etc when i jumped in, i didnt see any infighting however. I think ive only seen the problem in 1.21. I remember the pirates coming with huge fleets in earlier versions but thats only good fun. Hehe.

Malanthor,

What is happening is that the raider pirates are not going raiding (explore does not seem to work for the pirates in patch 1.21) so they accumulate at home. The normal pirates, who should be whittling each other down now have too many targets to keep their numbers in check.

The planetary structures generate different types of pirates i.e normal defenders and raiders. Also the constructors 'generate' the planetary structures. I've include a lot of randomness in the type of structures produced and how many, the number and type of raider produced and was relatively happy with the results for 1.191, 1.051 and 1.011.

If you look at some of their ships you will see that they are damaged. Fighting only occurs when they are not in battle - just drop a sensor or use clairvoyance  and you will see them exchanging missile.

You have Sins Diplomacy patched to 1.21? Is it the standard series or the expansion series of Diplomacy you downloaded?

What was the source of the mod download?

1. The links above  2. Maelstrom website  3. ModDB  4. Strategy Informer

Hi Strikestorm49,

Just downloaded Diplomacy R4 1.21 (specifically the file called Maelstrom_Diplomacy_1.21_4.zip), from the link above.

Was able to enable and run a huge random single game, which I stopped 30 minutes into game.

My enabled checksum was 229340771, the name of the enabled mod was Maelstrom R4.

Thanks, I'll let you know when I get to it ... busy with updating the fleet models.

I've recently discovered that planets with a buffOverTimeActionType "RestoreShields" and a negative shieldRestoreRate cause very strange things to happen.  The planet buffs that have this are BuffAuroraCosmicRaysTarget and BuffRockGiantDebrisTarget.  I've seen ships end up with very high negative shield values (-20000 or more) that die in one hit (had massively negative shields and full hitpoints).  Another wierd side-effect is that ship pathing completely breaks down in these gravity wells.  I've had entire fleets just stop moving for no reason in a RockGiantHabitable and an Aurora gravity well.  They eventually moved when I manually and repeatedly ordered them to move to the other side of the gravity well.  On one map (1v1), I couldn't find any of the AI fleet.  When I finally found it, the entire AI fleet was stalled out in an Aurora planet's gravity well.

Hi Peter1x9,

I can do something about shields going negative ... thanks I'll look into it.

The pleasure is all ours.

yes finaly I have been waiting for this as I was playing it before the update to diplomacy was kindof bummed that I could not play it but now I can get into the fight once again yeay dyson sphers and ringworlds hre I come