April/May/June 2010 2v2 Demigod Community Tournament - Results Thread

The problem is, the current setup made it advantageous for people to not bother trying to schedule their matches or posting replays.

If the rule was that every person had to post their availability for the entire week within XX days of each round starting and ALL scheduling had to take place in a single thread, not in pms, or in game, etc it would be easy to track.

Also I don't think free agent teams should be allowed. If people can't be bothered to find a partner on the forums than how can we expect them to bother scheduling a match and showing up for it?

Lastly I'd really like to see the next one be 3v3. I know that's going to be rather difficult but the mechanics of 2v2 are pretty retarded compared to what the game has to offer.

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pacov

Join Date 02/2008

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Alot of good feedback, mags. Ty. I think 3v3 would be a blast (I'd enjoy it more anyway), but I honestly don't know how many awesome 3 man teams we could come up with. I'm not opposed to giving it a shot though.

And I'm not opposed to axing the free agent system. We can have people post that are interesting in playing that don't have a team, but instead of matching them, force them to team up before the tourney starts. If they can't get a 3 man team, then they are out.

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hey agreed on needing clearly defined rules. It will be much easier for next tourney (assuming it happens) now that we have this one nearly done. I mean.. there were a LOT of things that needed to be figured out.

I thiiink that the combos should be looked at slightly though because I honestly think there is 1 team without a counter (that will be seen in our next game >.<). Kalel and I are working on it and maybe I'm wrong but.. we'll see how it goes.

The only thing I have to say about our game was that Kalel and I were ready to play the entire week up until the DAY you guys wanted lol.

Perhaps force people to be proactive about scheduling their games with exact dates / times they are and aren't available. i.e. Kalel / Rawr available any time, preferably not 5-12 cst, can't do May 15. The person they play against is then responsible to find a time that fits in that schedule. MOST of the scheduling issues have resulted from people simply not fucking posting or replying in game (it was nigh impossible to get our first game scheduled to do lack of communication by the other team).

Anyway, I don't see a problem with the rest of the tourney finishing quickly and on time. All of us are on vent and play often, minus extreme circumstances (like someone else's mobo dying >:/)

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Disagreed on 2v2 mechanics being retarded. It's still team play.

While a 3v3 tourney would be great fun, there simply aren't enough people to get a good tourney going for this imo.

Agreed on the free agent thing. Actually find a teammate or don't play. Those people tended to be the biggest problem from what I saw.

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Heu...its normal that game 2 for RAWRRRR + KalelSmX vs pacov + trousersnake isn't the good one. It retirect to a game to pacov + trousersnake v maxsteel32 + sebacoyl instead. Can u fix this plz.

edit: this is the good one Game 2: http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&show=details&id=126214

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Here's my suggestion for the next tournament.:

How about a 3v3 round robin tournament?

We could have 7 or 8 3v3 teams and everyone has to play everyone in a space of 4 - 5 weeks?

Team that wins the most is declared the overall winner of the tournament

Well, that was going to be mine and Brandon Varn's suggestion for the next one anyway.

Having no brackets would make the tournament much more flexible in my opinion. And more to the point, It means everyone is getting more games in which, I think can only be a good thing

Also, I'm inclined to agree with magnus and RAWRRR that we should only allow teams that already have teammates. Randomly assigning partners was a disaster. We've learnt that from this tournament.

Give me your thoughts on this one!

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pacov

Join Date 02/2008

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Quoting primz,

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Heu...its normal that game 2 for RAWRRRR + KalelSmX vs pacov + trousersnake isn't the good one. It retirect to a game to pacov + trousersnake v maxsteel32 + sebacoyl instead. Can u fix this plz.

edit: this is the good one Game 2: http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&show=details&id=126214

Good catch - updating the link. Thanks!

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I like shred deamons idea. 3v3 tournament(agreed with magnus, much better than 2v2s) considering the crowd in lagwars, around 10 teams can be formed, each team play with each other twice. For wins you get 2 points and for losses you get 1 point. This way more variety of games will be there and people won't have the leave the tournament just after 2 games.

No free agent team should be allowed due to scheduling problems. And i think unless both teams agrees on to specify a different time, the time for the games should take place in the same time frame for everyone when everyone is more likely to be available like on weekend afternoons. (evening in europe, afternoon in US or something like that). If a team doesn't show up in the specified time, it should be a counted as a loss.

I think match ups shouldn't be completely limited with demigod selection. Like if teams are gonna play 2 matches, 1 match can be a free combo, the second game can be enforced to use so called tier-2 demigods.

So what i am suggesting is pretty much a demigod community league. Just some ideas along with shred's.

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Mmm mmm I like the sound of a 3 vs 3 tourney.

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Let's just get this one finished as soon as possible because I feel as though all those people who were interested in following the tournament have stopped altogether.

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Yeah the tourney is taking horribly tooo long. I would love a round robin 3v3 with balanced based on a point system.

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I've been watching this tourney with interest, but I gotta say, the scheduling thing seems pretty ridiculous. Players in the tourney shouldn't be given the luxury of picking their match times -- they should get assigned a date and time, and make time for it, not have the tourney make time for them.

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It's been a great tourney so far. Great replays to watch. And at least a partial re-vitalization of Demigod. Next time, how about multiple divisions? Tier 1, Tier 2, and maybe win % lower divisions. Maybe shorter time limits on rounds. Anyway, I want to thank Pacov for putting this one together.

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Quoting Giardia,

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I've been watching this tourney with interest, but I gotta say, the scheduling thing seems pretty ridiculous. Players in the tourney shouldn't be given the luxury of picking their match times -- they should get assigned a date and time, and make time for it, not have the tourney make time for them.

I would totally make my match at 5AM

I play progressively worse as the day goes on.

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pacov

Join Date 02/2008

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Quoting OMG_Jona,

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Yeah the tourney is taking horribly tooo long. I would love a round robin 3v3 with balanced based on a point system.

See... we need to make quite a few improvements... consider how long our 2v2 tournament is taking. Now people are talking about 3v3 round robin style... I like the round Robin idea, but that's only great if there's a high level of availability.

I'm not really sure what the best way to do things would be, though, but a change will be needed. I think everyone posting their availability for a 1 week period is appropriate. Then a match is scheduled based on the availability info. If a specific individual that indicates that they would be available and then cannot play for any reason should then cause the whole team to be disqualified. No substitutions. No rescheduling. PERIOD. This would have the added impact that a whole team would likely be a bit pissed with the individual that caused them to forfeit... probably increasing the odds that the person would not flake again... also, our tournament would begin and end on time. So, we'd need a short time window for everyone to report in their availability. Then a short time window for scheduling. Then actually playing the match. If it ended up as a 3v3 tournament, we'd have like 1 captain per team that would be responsible for reporting on their teams availability, etc.

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GM-Mithrandar + GM-renz0kuken v Kollecktir + Naur - WINNER: GM-Mithrandar + Kollecktir

Is this right? Mith and Renz play Kellecktir and Naur, and the winner is a combination of the two teams?

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pacov

Join Date 02/2008

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Heh... can't win... I'll update

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Thanks for the feedback on the idea guys

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Format. If the format moves up to 3v3, I'd suggest having 4 player teams, with one alternate. The alternate can't be on more than one team, but the "active" 3 players can be any combination of the 4.
Executive Power. The coordinator should have full power, and any disagreements should be at his discretion to resolve. None of this pacov is nice and caves in to the community nonsense.
Get rid of the money prize. Sure it is exciting, but you also have to worry about any laws that are broken. Goodness knows that free giveaways have to adhere to a number of laws. You also have to worry about players from other countries.
The coordinator may have to not play in the tournament. We had people casting doubts upon pacov's impartiality. While that's rubbish it shouldn't really happen.
Improve Tone. If the tournament will be used to advertise Demigod, then we have a problem. There was a ton of rather inappropriate content for an advertisement campaign. I'd suggest more strict rules of decorum for the tournament.
Commentary. The commentary ideas were really good, but they never got off the ground. The best were pacov's lengthy write-ups, which everyone loved. Getting some video commentaries would be really good for the game.
Scheduling. Already discussed enough, but scheduling should be firmer. Perhaps some scheduling software on the internet could provide a decent solution?

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pacov

Join Date 02/2008

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Speaking of the tourney that is still going on, when are you fellas playing?

back on the 3v3 topic - do you guys think we can put together 4 teams that would be relatively even matches in a 3v3 on cata? > 6 3 man teams? If so, then 3v3 round robin sounds fun. I don't like the 1 man alternate idea. Each team will likely have to call out their availability beforehand matches will be scheduled - I doubt alternates will be needed (plus its just one more guy in the mix, that will likely be on 2 different teams). I completely agree re: executive power. The community should decide on the initial rules. The executor should enforce them and make calls on anything not covered by the initial rules. Re: the money prize - if people want it, I'm for it. re: the coordinator not playing in the tourney - I don't think that's necessary, though I'm not quite opposed. If we had a rule that said you are DQ'd if you don't get your game played by X date with no exceptions, then that's a pretty easy rule to enforce dogmatically and it doesn't matter if the executor is in that game or not.

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Quoting OMG_pacov,

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Speaking of the tourney that is still going on, when are you fellas playing?

Some time tonight I believe. We got a practice game in yesterday but Rawrr didn't want to do an official match only one day after they finished the last round, which I understand. So we're hoping to get at least one real game in tonight.

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pacov

Join Date 02/2008

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cool - thx for the update!

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ya should be doing it tonight. I can only hope that it will turn out to be a good series

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Before I say anything else I just want to say how awesome I think Ptarth is and how great and informative so many of his forum posts have been and thank him for everything he has done for the community

Quoting Ptarth,

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Get rid of the money prize. Sure it is exciting, but you also have to worry about any laws that are broken. Goodness knows that free giveaways have to adhere to a number of laws. You also have to worry about players from other countries.
The coordinator may have to not play in the tournament. We had people casting doubts upon pacov's impartiality. While that's rubbish it shouldn't really happen.
Improve Tone. If the tournament will be used to advertise Demigod, then we have a problem. There was a ton of rather inappropriate content for an advertisement campaign. I'd suggest more strict rules of decorum for the tournament.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

okay, I'm done

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I'd suggest more strict rules of decorum for the tournament.

I don't want to wear a suit and tie for the next tournament!

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