Many people are saying the world is going to end in 2012 due to the lack of further information on the mayan calendar. Your thoughts?
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Stay on topic, this thread's predecessor was locked due straying into a bad place. Particularly avoid the topic of religion. It may seem like this thread is open to that due to the many appocolypse theories out there, but I am specifically refering to the mayan calandar.
Please be conciderate to the thoughts and beliefs of others. If you disagree, say so, and SAY WHY! don't just take the "Because I said so" approach.
This is meant to be an open-minded debate style. Both opinion and facts are welcome. I'll let someone else start.
-Twilight Storm
Just a what if.
Do the Maya elders predict doomsday?The modern Maya peoples have an elected council of elders currently headed by Don Alejandro. In recent interviews he has been very clear in stating that the Maya do not believe there is a doomsday tied to the end of the 13 Bak'tun cycle. In fact Maya elders have only ever ventured as far as suggesting that times of change at the end of such eras may include serious natural upheavals, much as we see our climate changing now. No Maya elder is stating a complete global devastation ahead. I find that most of their talks carry a very positive air to them, they explain the benefits of the changes they see post 2012.
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That is very interesting, myfist And it certainly clears things up, a lot.
Anyway, I think its proof that the Mayan calendar doesnt imply the end of the world in 2012.
So the .........thread...................what do we discuss now?
The grim darkness of the far future and what it holds of course.
"In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war..."
You just can't wait till 2032, can you?
lol playing starcraft n runescape...
that was meant to end up on the chatroom... wtf?
one thing we can be sure of is how many times we thought it was going to end tomorrow.
Funny thing is, the whole baktun cycle and the end of the 13th one in 2012...it's sort of a cause for celebration. The Mayans, and by Mayans I mean the ones way back when who first made the calendar, would have loved to have been around for that. It's a rather major thing, sort of like the year 2000 for us. It would've made a great party for them, a definite cause for celebration. Party at the end of the world? Not so much...
The mesoamerican long count calendar was pretty much like an extended planner. It counts away from a specific creation date in the 3000s BCE (I can't remember exactly the approximate date). The whole system of counts, the baktun, katun, etc, was based on a creation myth of the Mayans that centered on 4 different worlds. Each one ended at the start of the 14 baktun cycle, and the next world was created. The fourth world created was the 'successful' one, where people got plunked down. So based on that alone, maybe you could see an end-of-the-world prediction. After all, if the world ended each of those times at the start of the 14th baktun, which for this cycle comes, that's right, in 2012. But that's where it changes. See, the first 3 worlds were failures, and they were meant to be ended in Mayan mythology. The fourth world, as said above, this one, with people, is the success, the one that the gods liked enough to stick people, their servants and creations, into.
And this leads back to the whole party. To reach the 14 baktun for the Mayans would be proof that the god's clearly loved them. It was also their way of showing the gods "Hey guys, check it out, it worked!" It's the end of the cycle, and the blessing of the gods.
Oh yeh, and the Mayans? They never heard of Planet X.
Anyhow, the mythos of the mesoamerican civilizations is actually really fascinating; that tiny summary up there doesn't do it justice. It used to be a little obsession of mine, actually.
Oh, and bump, I guess. Couldn't help it!
Cadalancea
"He who lives by the sword shall die by my knife. That's prophecy, if you like."
IT'S ALIVE!!!
Anyway, I guess the question I was really asking with this thread is does the calandar really predict anything, or are we grasping?
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Quick, call Mary Shelley!
Predicting anything? Not as far as I remember. Yeah, they had their astrological predictions that came out pretty surprisingly true (and some that were waaay off the mark), but for 2012, I'm 99.9% certain it was just the start of a new baktun. Kind of like the end of a millennium. Everything else, like the galactic equator theory, Nibiru, gamma bursts, etc, are all newer additions to it. Y'know, I'd actually be interested in finding out who resurrected the whole 2012 connection to the Mayan calendar.
Ah, now I need to go dust off my books, I'm all interested again. Curses...
Nice Quote.
Place to start, the newest 2012 movie got me thinkin bout it.
-Twilight Storm | My life for Cailyn
There you have it Storm. I think its a clear answer to your question, isnt it?
I havent seen the 2012 movie though. Any good?
Cadalancea, you seem to know more than anyone else in this subject. Very interesting things, I have to say
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From what I've seen they did predict the galactic alignment. The only reason we added it on now is because we just found out that the baktun was connected to that cycle.
Gamma ray bursts I have never even seen tied to the 2012 theory. Except that really corny one they put on discovery with the 2012 movie commercials with it and didn't even mention the galactic alignment in it might I add. I almost wonder if that one was put on just to try to shut down the real theories and hold off public panic.
The fact that you have to dust off the books shows they are too old of resources for this argument which has alot of new found evidence that has only come to light over the last couple of years. Hell they only found out this week that the mayans had pressurized plumbing.
The 2012 movie was good but not believable. They used the most hair-brained of the the 2012 theories in the movie. It had some good special effects though.
I always thought they were predicting the travel throught the galactic core seeing as they were accomplished astronomers and often reveered that location. All in all it could be said that they viewed the time as a time for rebirth, but over time that meaning has been lost and we all assumed they were predicting the apokolypse
The whole galactic equator thing (and by galactic equator thing, I'm assuming the passing through of it, that's the only one I've ever heard of) doesn't much make sense. We pass through it once every 33 million years or so, and if it caused massive extinctions or whatever else people expect, we could expect to see some seriously massive evidence of such a regular cycle of events in the geological record. Really, the only semi-frightening astronomical thing I can think of is the degradation of the heliosphere. If that goes away, we're pretty much screwed, along with the rest of the solar system. But that's pretty much impossible, due to how it's formed.
It's just a figure of speech buddy-all I'm saying is that I haven't been reading too often on the mythology parts of Mayan culture. What I said in previous posts is based on a quick skimming over of that stuff again from other sources, to refresh my memory. And gamma ray bursts have been tied to 2012, along with pretty much every other hypothetical doomsday scenario you can possibly image. I think the return of the cylons is even tossed in there.
Yeah, 2012 and neutrinos...never minding the fact that what makes neutrinos so bloody hard to study is the fact that they pass right through everything without any effects.
-Caine, Heroes Die
I know was just being a smart ass.
As for the gamma ray bursts and the other whacked out ones I really meant that there is no astronomical evidence of that stuff but the doomsday people just throw that in as other ways the earth can be destroyed even though the mayan calendar doesn't mention any of that.
It only shows the cycle of going through the galactic center. This does not mean that something bad will definitely happen but (IMO) that there is a higher chance of natural (gravitationally effected) disasters near the time of the alignment.
I actually can't wait to see the passing of venus in front of the sun in August of 2012. Need to get a telescope with a sun filter before that. Something that was also predicted by the mayans.
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LIES!!!! This was DEFINITELY intentional!
It wasn't me the Mayans did it!!!!
YEAH RIGHT!!! LIKE MAYANS EVEN KNOW WHAT A COMPUTER IS
Its the Mayan panels next, I'll tell ya all!
What do you mean. They not only had computers but also machines that could send neutrinos through space and time to mess with the Sins forums.
how the world will end
First, it was the end of the year in 2000, then it was 2010 i think, now it's 2012.
Once we reach 2012 it will be 2020.., etc,etc, you get my idea
Tho this thread is kinda... over, I have one statement to let these wise minds ponder.
Whenever I think of "The end of the world" scenario, regardless of Mayan Calenders, Nostradamus and so forth, I don't think of an Apocalypse. I think of a revolutionary change, so that the world after looks nothing like the one before, and "end of the world" in a sense.
Take, for example, the end of the Cold War. Not a HUGE change, but one could call it the "End of History", as all that remains is capitalism, save a few rogue states. One could call this a "new world" that we live in, since we no longer live with the threat of nuclear annihilation raining down upon us if an Alaskan Fisherman accidentally strays into Soviet waters..
Just a theory.
Xer0 \^/
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