I have realised lately that store sell mostly console games and there are less and less PC games than there were before. Some people have even said that consolve games have improved so much than PC games are more than likely to dissapears, except of course for some small games like chess, hearts, etc.
It is true that the console world made a lot of improvements. Console games are now as powerful as PC games, they allow you to play online and they do not have the bugs of the PC: compatibility problems, crashes, etc. Like my friend once said: "when you want to play a console game, you place the game in the console, you push power and it works". The only advantage the PC game has right now, is that you can mod your game. Which is only a matter of time since consoles now have hard drives.
So my first question is: Do you think that professional video games would dissapear from the world of PC.
My second question is: Do you think this interest drop for PC games will hinder the sales of Elemental?
I can only imagine he would be talking about the new motion controllers which kills the console is cheaper thing anyway. that setup is 300$ for everything you need plus 300$ for the console plus 160$ for 4 regular controllers and console games average 20$(70 per game) more. thats 830$. I juist buil a amd phenom 2 965 with an ati 5670 system for 1000$ which is more than double the power of the ps3 at only 170$ more. not to mention the motion controllers will only be supported by a few games and there is nothing stoppings developers making a similar system for the pc.
lol funny forum. anyway i was talking about fragfx. somethin between mouse/keaboard and pad. link
Maybe this pic would work
man getting computers are more costly then consoles meh oh well at least we can browse the internet for now till they port that over to them forever. Man my G9 Lazer Mouse allows me to do like 4-6 360s in an fps in a second while it takes a whole 5 to turn around on a console...
I'vc got a few TB of data on my PCs... let's see how much does Miscrosoft want for the privilege of upgrading the the HDD myself. Consoles do one thing very well, play games, and a few things they do pretty well, okay or just piss poorly. They are not PC replacements.
It was always this way; the NES and Super NES era saw far more console titles than the PC had. Nothing new about the way things are today. In fact, it's actually a bit better for PC gamers right now as more and more big name console games get PC releases. Some big publishers are moving away from this as the don't see the sales on PC that they do on consoles (for various reasons, that the publishers blame piracy on no matter what). I really don't care about this, as the effort most publishers make with PC ports is dismal at best, or come with severe DRM. Worse, new games get released as PC games but were actually designed for consoles and heavily watered down (see: Unreal Tournament 3, SupCom 2). I'm a bit saddened that Capcom apparently gave up though, as they were one of the few who put some effort in PC ports.
In the end, little will be lost as smaller developers will move in the fill the gap as the big publishers move back to console exclusivity. If you want big, flashy AAA console titles, get a console. It's better that way anyhow, as then you can play your action, sports and fighting games on the TV, and leave RPGs and strategy games on the PC. The absolute biggest console releases always retain console exclusivity anyhow, so if you must have them you'll need a console anyhow.
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I didn't want to say anything, but that looks totally crap.
If you were male at least 40% of that should be porn. Females however can get away with only 10% (but thats only because its far easier to store text, and they have too many horrible anime shows).
If anyone dosn't conform to these stastistics, you are a strange person and should seek help for your lack of humanity.
This is one of the prime features of PCs over consoles. For everything else there is mastercard your imagination.
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9 out of top 10 modern warfare players are using it on ps3. what you dont like other might like. what matter is it works.
I didn't say I didn't like it, I've never used it. I just said it looks like crap.
Frag fx v2 Looks a lot better and has bigger board for mouse. There is pleynty of cool stuff for ps3 its just matter of lookin around.
I suppose I'll care if I ever get a PS3, which seems unlikely.
Two pages of posting just to hear that.....
Not postin here anymore.
The PC industry have only really brought it upon themselves, Empire Total War being the perfect example. Never has so much hype been placed on such an average bug ridden game. Full of flaws, so obviously a beta for NTW this game damaged the industry and CA for years to come...
It is so obvious that Gaming Houses need the turnover rather than producing a game to be proud of. Why release a game honed when patches and expansions can do the job for you and earn the extra bucks with each release.
Sadly for them though Gamers arnt stupid or deep pocketed anymore.... Elemental is 'THE ONLY' game I've purchased this year, and thats based upon Stardocks previous record of being a house that places Quality and Gameplay first and turnover and profit a close second (based on the above).
No if development houses want my money............. they must earn it!
Not sure how that has anything to do with the industry as a whole. One company screwed up. It happens in every industry.
With consoles running Windows and PCs hooking up to your TV already, I'd say by the next generation of consoles it might be hard to tell the difference between the two.
But I need a keyboard for my console before I'd ever abandon the PC; just typing my name in 360 games is annoying. Imagine editing an XML file...
I'd be playing Empire: Total War right now if it weren't for STEAM. Same thing goes for Dawn of War 2.
I own every Total War/Dawn of War game, and every expansion. But I refuse to purchase Empire: Total War/Dawn of War 2, because of STEAM. I resent being forced to install third party intrusive software that does nothing but track me like I'm some sort of sexual predator and stink up my computer. I should not be forced to log into a system on the internet to play a SINGLE PLAYER game.
I don't mind connecting to a service to play multiplayer games... whether it's a match up of SOASE, or a session of whatever MMO I happen to be playing at the moment. But I seriously resent having to communicate with them and have my start/end times logged alongside my IP address and registration information every time I choose to play the fucking game, just because some asshole somewhere is worried that they will lose $20 from a pirate who quite frankly is going to steal the game despite whatever efforts they take anyway.
Now, a one time registration? Sure, whatever. That's fine. A program I have to update through that I can turn off when I don't need it? Sure, that's fine. In other words, Impulse? Sure. It's not trying to crawl up my ass and make sure I am who I say I am every two damned seconds. STEAM? Hell no.
If anything is going to kill PC gaming, it's STEAM and their ilk; every piece of shit greedy corporate stooge that doesn't trust or appreciate their customers. I'm still not worried though, I think that once we hear the death rattle of the huge gaming conglomerates as their DRM chokes them to death for not being logged into the system, then we will have a new group of publishers who are more sane, and the indie game companies will take their place as the new breed of gaming corporations... and then 5 years later... this shit will all go down again. The gaming industry is like the fucking Cylons - this has all happened before, and will happen again.
/rant
The 360 has a keyboard, albeit a very small one. The PS3 accepts USB keyboards.
All in all I'd say the PS3 is the better machine, but the 360 has games I'd be hard pressed to live without, and the PS3 has...uhh one series I'd be interested in.
I'd argue (successfully, I think) that PCs are still more powerful than consoles, and likely will remain so. I could pull out a graphical PC tour-de-force such ar Crysis or that last Farcry, or just compare, but even less obvious games are making the most of a PC's horsepower. Take a look at the screenshots for this month's upcoming release of Mount & Blade: Warband. I'll admit I'm no programmer, so perhaps someone else can shed some light on this aspect, but how well would a console fair with a very-heavy number crunching game, like EU3 or Hearts of Iron 2?
Bugs--not entirely true. While I appreciate the fact that most console games recieve a better degree of QA than most PC titles, it can not be said that they do not have similar bugs as PC games. (While there are not BSoD, I've seen bugs, such as endless loading screens, the numerous GTA graphical glitches, and even a save game corruption) And this only will become pronounced, now that console games can be patched and updated. True, there are some bugs we won't see, like driver and hardware incompatibility, but PC gaming, not to mention ownership, wouldn't be the same if we didn't have the freedom and variety that do right now.
As to your last point, I think you are half right. Consoles are likely capable of using mods now, if developers wanted to make it possible. But, unless consoles change radically, those mods will still have to be made on a computer
And I don't believe for a second that it is the computer's only advantage over the console.
I'm afraid you are going to be forced out a PC gaming, if you stick to those particular guns. Steam is by far less intrusive than many copy-protection methods (Look up Star Force, Securom) and offers some benefits besides. I'm a Steam user, and I'm openly biased, but I see little difference between Steam and, for example, Impulse. (GASP!) Both are digital delivery services, marketplaces, and copy protection schemes. Steam is also far and away less clumsy and more useful in the social/friends aspect than, say, Games for Windows Live, which is yet another "third-party" product you need to install, create an account for, and log into in order to play many single-player games.
And then there is Ubi Soft. You need a 100% constant internet connection to their servers in order to play singlplayer games. Their servers crash? Well, your game shuts down, not so much as an auto-save before you are kicked. From what I hear, C&C:4 uses the same scheme.
And don't worry too much. Empire: Total War has easily been the worst of the series. The AI is lacking, Forts are so terribly implemented that you are literally better off defending an open field, and the naval combat is actually not all that fun. I still go back to Rome, Medieval 2, and even Shoun, from time to time, though.
About Steam killing games, It seems to me that digital distribution is PC gaming's most thriving area. Look at the growth, since Steam opened as nothing more than a digital download service for HL 2 and Counterstrike. Look at the other's that have appeared, like Impulse, or Gamers Gate. And look at all those publishers who now casually carry digital download products in their stores. Combine this with company's like EB and Gamestop, who are phasing out boxed PC games on their shelves, and you will see few alternatives.
Tl;dr: Steam is a form of DRM. It's a less invasive a form of DRM than many, and offers it's customers incentives that their competition does not. To use a crude analogy: At least Steam is buying me dinner before hand, and paying for the cab home afterwards.
-Louist.
Man, I can't disagree more with your estimation of Steam. I would be buying far fewer PC games today if it were not for the added value that I get out of having Steam installed. I know it's popular to diss the service around these parts as Stardock has set up some competitive services. It IS possible to play offline, have multiple installs, etc. with the service. I can find small press and indie games just as easily as the big names on it. I don't have to put DVDs in the drive. If I reformat my PC I can redownload everything without having to swap out discs repeatedly. Patches are automatically installed. And most importantly (and this is far and away the advantage that Steam has over Impulse) the community functionality on the service is invaluable to me, as groups allow me to see and set up multplayer events, get and send invitations to friends, browse the web in the overlay and just chat about stuff to people.
All your "added" value disappears when Steam does. Hey the platform has a lot going for it but there really is no way around that. I don't care what the fans say, none of these companies are going to throw out thousands of patches they polish up their resumes and are escorted out the back door.
Why would any of these companies die? They have millions of loyal followers and a steady stream of revenue. They'd have to do something extraordinarily stupid to go out of business.
At least Impulse is fire and forget. Buy it, install it, turn it the hell off... no mess, no hassle, no arcane formula to go into offline mode.
Frankly I'd prefer not to even use Impulse, but at least I can stomach it. I mean wtf am I supposed to do if I randomly lose my internet connection and I want to play a STEAM supported game? It's insane! As for Empire? Yeah, I tried my brother's copy on his machine... I wasn't that impressed anyway... besides, the bastards cut out Portugal - so screw them. I still get miles and miles out of M2: Retrofit Mod though .
I really hope that things don't go all the way down this road... really I miss the nice game boxes and extras. I feel a bit cheated paying my $55 and getting a tiny little plastic DVD case with the manual on the disc in PDF. I want my artwork and my freaking paper manual - grr. The digital distribution feels so impersonal and... thrifty. It takes away some of the enjoyment.
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