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Ignorance FTW!!
Witch Hunters FTW!!!
Nuclear War is the only way to Win.
No it's not. Supreme cultural domination is a peaceful alternative.
But the grim darkness of the future holds only war.
"In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war..."
Culture war.
There's no such thing as "Culture" anymore, really. What with Westernization gripping 90% of the world's populace, everywhere is becoming here. No culture can withstand "ours", therefore, no culture can war against ours.
"To the heart and mind, ignorance is kind"
-Xer0 \^/
Its 1 of the best RPGs I've ever played! SW KOTOR 1 is slightly better, but 2 really addictive and truly extraordinary. Shame that the new SW games are not even close to that New SW games are purely 100% consolized now.
LOL Its a Warhammer 40k: Dawn of War quiz, duh
I see that you are basically tied in top 3 races, so your answers were a little cross orientated. I assume it went to a tie-breaker question, and that how Witch hunters were decided the winner
@Storm: He he, almost everyone scores as Tyranids the first time.
Couldnt have said it any better
When will everyone understand that there is no reason for ANY kind of war to happen in our world? All of humanity can unite and work together as one, there is no need for all these things that happen.
But yeah dont listen to me....
Humanity cannot and will not unite as one unless all or all but one religions are wiped off the face of the Earth, homosapiens reproduces indescriminately for a century till all are of the same "race", and the world is united under a communist flag. Or aliens could enslave us.
No, the only way we can unite, is to realise that there are no races, no religions, no countries, no communism, no capitalism, no languages. We are ALL human beings, and there is no need for any kind of devision in our world.
I suppose its time for me to say, why I am such a huge fan of the Matrix trilogy, and the Wachowski brothers. And thats because the brothers were trying to pass a message. They knew only few would understand its real meaning and purpose, and I dont expect anything more too. I'd like to make a few points, just for the heck of it:
"We are born in the Matrix, we die in the Matrix."
"But you have to understand Neo, that some people are so closely connected to the system, that they will DIE to protect it, and these people are not ready to get unplugged."
"As long as the Matrix exists, the human race will NEVER be free."
"The Matrix is an attempt for the machines, to turn the human race into this: *shows Neo a battery* "
"Ignorance is bliss."
"Thats why there are those of us who have been fighting the Machines, ever since we found out the truth."
But their is, and humanity's natural desire to dominate will prevent such a simple realization being put into action. When there is only one group left, and I don't care if it's everyone, the Muslims, America, Communists (but no hippies), then there won't be differences. I should probably add asexual reproduction to that list I made.
Humanity doesnt have any natural desires of domination upon their own kind. We are not BORN like this, we LEARN all these things about money, religion, politics, power, war, world domination, etc, along the way. Aka when we are growing up, ever since our childhood.
We learn all these things, and we assume they are perfectly normal, that it is our natural desire, and whats the other phrase...oh yes: "It is our nature" LOLS
The only human nature there is, regarding this subject, is not domination upon our own kind, but merely a sense of survivability, the human instinct of survival, that gets distorted while we are growing up.
"What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal." - Albert Pine
http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/ http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
So until we wipe these things from humanity then there will be a reason in many people's minds for war... but if we wipe these of the face of the planet then we are not really human anymore are we cause we would have to throw out the good with the bad and become emotionless rocks/metallic objects?
So, in your own view, in order to have emotions, we need to suffer and die every single day, because otherwise there is no human emotion? Thats absurd.
Nobody said we need to wipe all our beliefs or emotions, but simply the institutional system that promotes all these things, forcing us to live in a "premade" world, with the ability to change nothing.
actually its not absurd. How can you know what true happiness and joy is if you have never experienced pain and suffering. How do you know what light is if you have never seen a shadow?
Thats what the system teaches you, be it either religion or any other kind of institution, that there can never be true happiness without suffering and sadness. That is not true. In fact, if we were truly free in this world, only then we would know the meaning of happiness.
But even if you dont believe what I just said, even then, how can you support that we "need" suffering in our world, participate in this whole corrupted view that a % of humans needs to suffer for the rest of them to be "happy"?
Thats a really distorted view of reality, and such an egotistical claim, basically saying "Let others suffer so we can be happy".
How much more corruption can we achieve, I wonder?
Neo, from the Matrix series: "I know you're out there. I can feel you now. I know that you're afraid. You're afraid if us. You're afraid of change. I dont know the future. I didnt come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here, to tell you how its going to begin. I'm going to hang up this phone, and then I'm going to show these people what you dont want them to see. I'm going to show them a world without you, a world without rules and controls, without borders or boundries. A world, where anything is possible. Where we go from there, is a choice I leave to you.
World peace... Difficult. You see, there's always going to be one group or person who's unhappy. How do you decide who leads this completely peaceful world? In the case of resources, how do you decide who get's what for equality? Who will decide what these people get? Ultimately, the problem is people. Unless we're going to go Advent-style and get a collective consciousness, then there will always be a small group of people making the decisions. Naturally, people will want to be in that group, the people in the group won't want to share the power, so you get unrest. Look to the League of Nations. That attempted to create world peace, and failed. Look at Communism. All Communist regimes start out right, until somebody takes over, making it a dictatorship.
I like the idea of world peace, but I fear that it will be difficult to attain without eliminating greed, as there are some people who will always want more, even if it hits others negatively.
You're right. Until we change the way we think, none of all this can be achieved. We need to first start thinking of humankind as a whole and single entity, rather than separate ourselves from others. All of this is possible, and of course we need to really want it to happen, otherwise we are just talking nonsense.
About resources, we have more than enough to feed and shelter the world many many times over. About other "luxury" goods, we have enough for the whole world, but that doesnt mean we can continue all this huge amount of waste that we currently have.
As for the "who gets to be on the front seat issue", the answer is, nobody. We could vote for every idea or change we want, and the majority wins.
We dont need to vote for people, we need to vote for ideas.
Thats the only solution to all our problems: (like you said) we need a collective consciousness.
http://www.thevenusproject.com/
Storm, you said that you dont like it when you cant see the person speaking in a documentary of some sort, (its called narrating, but anyway), so I got this, just for you:
Who is Peter Joseph? from charles robinson on Vimeo.
This is the man behind the zietgiestmovement, and also the person narrating the related film.
Please skip the first 10 minutes, because its only Peter's background, regarding his life, and I am sure you will find it boring like hell.
@morph- except a collective consciousness is completely impossible and would probably create a stagnant world, where there is nothing new. Conflict can create just as well as it can destroy; it can forge a people anew, it can teach them to see the true steel within themselves, and it can cause innovation that can be applied in myriad applications.
Also, the point I think Maccilia is trying to make isn't that some people need to suffer for others to be happy, but that people must know pain so that they recognize true happiness; i.e. sometimes you need to lose something/someone close to you in order to find true happiness in everything around yourself.
@Snipe- an excellent evaluation of why world peace will likely never happen. I personally don't like the idea of world peace, because it appears as a concept to good to be true. IMO, there will never be a true and lasting peace, but always conflict; whether the conflict is between massive superpowers or hyperpowers, or between small corporations and independent political entities. But still, it's always there.
Ultimately however, it would seem that there are just too many stupid people who will vote for what they think is the next biggest and greatest thing, instead of something that's actually useful. That number would appear to fluctuate in the US, but in other countries (like Canada, who decided government-funded healthcare was a good idea! (it's not BTW)), it seems to be rising sometimes.
Also @morph- you would be surprised at the sheer depravity of man. Right now the two most disgusting things a person can do (IMO anyway)- sexual relations with an animal or with a corpse. Bestiality and necrophilia. And I suspect that the next step would be a combination. Simply put, man's depravity knows no bounds.
EDIT: I can't believe I forgot my sig!! Which is something that very well sums up my opinion BTW.
Truth be told it has been said by many before, that some of the greatest innovations of mankind have occured during times of war. During times of war countries are far more likely to support new inventions if they hold the potential to be weaponised in some way or form.
Besides war will probably never stop as long as the reasons why people start wars still persist. And basically in this day and age people start wars for just about any reason.
@Whiskey: All I can say is: "But you have to understand Neo, that some people are so closely connected to the system, that they will fight to protect it, and these people are not ready to get unplugged."
I am sorry you feel that way whiskey, it seems like your mind has been greatly affected by war and conflict, and the idea that it is part of the "human nature", which like I said before, is something ridiculous, humans are not born with any kind of "human nature". We are not robots, we are human beings, thus we forge our character, beliefs and persona based solely on our environment. If you were born in a primitive Indian tribe, that worships cows, then you would worship cows, and you wouldn't speak English. If you were born in 1900s in Hitler's Germany, then you would most likely be a Nazi. There is no such thing as human nature.
War and conflicts around the world happen for profit, and the concept of profit is a distorted way of our survival instincts. If you were literally starving, then you would do anything to get something to eat, right? You would steal from someone else, so you can survive. The only difference is that this has evolved into something that is so distorted, that everyone thinks it is normal.
We are competing with each other, the way animals do, just imagine a pack of lions fighting for dominion, and usually the strongest of the lions, is the pack leader, gets most of the food-kills, drinks water first of all, and gets the female lions. To think that we are acting like this, when we have more than enough resources, technology, and the intellect to use them wisely, is infuriating at least.
The things that 99.9% of the human population fails to understand, is that we are fully integrated into a system that keeps us blindfolded, living in a box unable to see whats outside, and we are preserving the same views, beliefs, and standards that we have been taught they are right. We fail to understand that we are merely inhabitants of this planet and we are living off of it, thinking we can do whatever the hell we want, knowingly destroying whats keeping us alive, and waiting for inevitable end to come. Its like a pack of sheep waiting to get slaughtered by the butcher, and not doing a god damn thing about it.
We also fail to understand, that we are 1 species, just 1 and not 100 different ones. Why is a black man different from a white one? Why is a christian different from a Hebrew? Why is a French different than a German? There isn't any difference. We are all human beings fighting with each other. I think Peter put it best: "The Earth and its inhabitants, is a single organism, and an organism fighting with each self is not a good thing."
The answer to everything, is the way that people think, and unfortunately, we only think the way we have been taught, unable to see in front of us, realise the truth, and wake up from this never ending nightmare, that has been haunting us ever since who-knows-when.
The only things that we have left, are a distorted sense of morality, and a false sense of hope that the world will get better on its own, without anybody doing anything about it.
I will not even comment on this, it pretty much reaches the top of human depravity.
You say a collective conciousness is impossible, WHY? You dont back up anything you say with facts or truths.
For anybody who cares, has the ability to think outside of the box, and not being guided purely by the MME, go to http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/
Imperialism, nationalism, religion; the world cannot have peace so long as these exist, because no matter how utopian a society becomes, a bad egg will always spawn and grow.
Morph, you are currently playin the role of the scientist: you've got the idea and you know the end result. What you need are some engineers to put this into action and make it available to everyone.
We live in a capitalist world. Not the economic system itself, per say, but the resistance of change to preserve current power.
I think he means technology wise. At our current level of techmolgy that is jst impossible. Humans will never all think along the same path without some kind of technological probe, that most people will be too skeptical to take anyway. There is no way that organism that capable of arguing with itself will ever stop arguing with each other
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