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And how long do you think the world can sustain itself using fossil fuels as its main energy source?
How long do you think your country's and USA's and every other nation's fossil fuel reserves can last for? Because like UK, the USA have a lot of oil reserves too, you can be sure of that. In fact the US government uses most of its oil from Africa, rather than spend its own. Its the most common survival technique.
I think WWIII is not only possible, but its a sure thing to happen, and its only a matter of time until it does. But we cant predict the future, so scratch that.
About nuclear power, the most devastating force known to man, why use it? Why on earth would you power a car with nuclear energy?
We ALREADY have got the technology to power cars, and bikes, and everything that uses an engine with other energy sources than oil.
There are already electric cars, that are even more reliable than petrol cars, the only problem is autonomy. Their batteries consume a large amount of space (engine on the front, batteries on the back, and vice-versa), and they cant go more than 30 miles or so with 1 charge. But this is only a matter of improvement in the existing technology. It is only a matter of time before electric cars can run 200 miles with 1 charge, and I am not even gonna mention the matter of pollution, which is zero.
Other than that, there is hydrogen, but I dont know much about that.
I am not an expert on the whole matter, but it is quite CLEAR and obvious, that a lot important people, and big companies would lose millions and billions of dollars if the fossil fuels became obsolete. They dont want that to happen. They will not allow it. Why would they?
So when BMW steps forward, and say that they are on their way of making a hydrogen model available within the near future, who supports them? Nobody does. They wont benefit from that, so they try to stop it, by not supporting it.
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On another topic, this house proposes that the Hadron Collider is the most failtastic scientific project that has been seen for almost 100 years. This topic is now open for discussion. Also, so is the Radiant Wave one, even if I have to wait for Xer0 to discuss it...
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No, there is no point, because we ALREADY have got ultra efficient energy sources, (electricity, solar power, etc), they just dont put them to use because there is a lot of profit to be gained from fossil fuels, and that was my whole point.
Electricity is now. Tidal power is now. Wind energy is now. Solar power is now.
Nuclear fusion is the future. We can use the best we have now, and aim for nuclear in the future, if it does work out. But it wont happen. At least NOT soon enough. Because there is a lot of money to be made from fossil fuels.
And thats their moto: "Profit above all else. Who cares about the people, screw them, all we want from them is to work for us."
Oh, and I almost forgot:
Humans dont use nuclear power to destroy because they are stupid, the use it as a weapon of mass destruction and as a means to intimidate, which equals survivability, dominance, and profit for those who have that kind of power. Thus making them clever bastards, but definitely not stupid.
Stupid would be to try to use nuclear power to do something good and fail. When they dont even try to do something good with it, but rather spread fear in their favor, thats cunning and manipulative, evil, but still clever.
Yes, these systems are all nice (although I don't get "Electricity"... ) but they need to be introduced on a larger scale to be efficient. That is a change that will require alot of money, and as long as people are not willing to partake in that it won't happen. In Germany the state is actually supporting green power so it can be as cheap as conventional energy, and this is greatly appreciated. Problem is there is not enough space here for all our demands, as well as there are other problems with that. Basically we would need a small place in the state of the Sahara nearby.
Actually the 2 fission projects are horribly expensive, and the investors are NOT making money in oil. Quite to the contrary, if it will be possible then this would ensure the EU a totally independency from the middle-east; as well as it would be a great source of income. Don't ever think we would give out energy for free, although we'd have it like water in the sea.
The current trend is towards hybrid technology. It's more efficient as both of them singled out. Again, it's still more expensive, but once the industry gets more demand it will fall in price. I see full electric cars everyday, and there are also station for this regularily. People use that as 2nd car for the city only. Yes, they don't pollute, but if the energy they consume is drawn from conventional sources then their use will also mean increased emission.
Hydrogen cars are unpractical, except for FPS games (they explode so nicely ) and to introduce them on a larger scale will bring us back to the same problem - you need quite an amount of electricity to separate it from water.
Actually, french & german automobile industries are setting the standards when it comes to new technology, reduction of emissions or efficient use of gas. Because in modern lands there is a market where people do have interest in keeping life clean, and are willing to spend some extra bucks to do so. The problem is more with lands like the USA who basically ignore environmental pollution, or poor countries whose people simply can't afford it.
Whoa...This chatroom's a little too serious for me...
The electricity was referring to electric cars.
And introducing these systems on a larger scale, will not happen, because the big and powerful oil companies will not allow it. There is simply too much money to be gained from oil like I said. About electric cars, they can be far more efficient than anything else, if we try to improve that technology just a little. And this is not a matter of "requires a lot of money to be made possible". It is simply a matter of if they are willing to spend some money to do it.
I saw a list, some time ago, of the 100 richest organizations/companies/nations in the world. Do you even know that some Car companies have more money than most of the world's countries? Do you know that Ford and GMC have more money than 6 or 7 coutries put together?
General Motors alone has more money than France, or Italy, or Greece, etc etc
So its not a matter of "do they have they money to do it". Its not a matter of "do they have the resources to do it" either.
They do.
I know Germany is supporting the Green power, and that their cars are OBVIOUSLY the best, most technologically advanced, and efficient in the world, but come on. Germans dont care about anyone else but themselves.
I dont know about which investors you're talking about, but the oil companies make tons of money by creating scarcity, and fixing the price of the barrel as they see fit. There are even events where some oil company has blown up its own machines in order to create at least some scarcity in oil. But you know, this sounds a lot like "conspiracy theories" stuff, so I am gonna leave this out of the discussion.
Well, we have free energy, but nobody is gonna invest in it, because it DOESNT give any profit.
Theoretically speaking, if someone made a car, that could run 500 miles with 1 battery charge, and could use solar power as well as get charged in an electricity station or something, almost never break down, and was really safe and fast, and could run reliably for 15 years, how much money do you think they could make from this car??
Whole companies would collapse within a few years. Fortunes would be lost, they would go bankrupt.
The hybrid technology, is a very clever scam, in order to keep the oil selling and alive, and to continue making these large profits of these so called "green cars". What the hell, I remember an episode of Top Gear, where they tested the second generation of Toyota Prius, a hybrid car that was claiming really low fuel consuption. Guess what. The hybrid actually had a smaller mile/gallon ratio than a BMW 2.5d which is a 2500 cc petrol engine. LOLZ, what a scam
Anyway, the technology for electric cars is there, and the resources and money to put it into action are available as well. The point is that the big shot companies will NOT allow it to happen any time in the near future. Maybe after a few wars will be made over oil, MAYBE then we might see a wide spread use of a trully efficient and abundant energy source.
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The LHC isn't failtastic. It's FANTASTICALLY AWESOME EPICNESS. So the masses don't see any immediate use for the results of tests performed with the LHC. Eventually (I'd say 2 or at most 3 decades) we'll be using that data for some awesome stuff.
Radiant Wave Surger: A nasty weapon system. I want one.
You could lighten it up.
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I leave for two days and this happens.
So... have I mentioned the all-girl-party that I am now allowed to go to?
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Yes, skidi.... I think that we got it a while back, we know you're lesbian.
Anyway, I counted recently, and I actually have +40 karma, yet only +35 is openly displayed (on the SoaSE Forums, anyway)... and that bugs me.
OH! Have I also mentioned that on said date it's supposed to be about 85* outside, and there is likely to be epic hose fights?
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Lol! I agree with all of the others there, but wind energy? I don't think its efficient enough. I think it was to power Britain, we'd have to build electricity mills all the way round the coast of Wales, England and Scotland... Not practical.
They will make this money anyway, because oil is needed for a lot of different stuff, too. Neverthless, the oil companies as well as the car-industry must realize that oil is limited and one day will simply cease to be there. If no alternative systems have been introduced then the world will break down for a time. That said, the hugest unsoved problem currently is that we don't have any real equivalent for creating plastics, which will become very expensive then.
But to come back to your quote, well, there's not much that the oil companies can do about it once *we* the customers demand green energy from the car-industry. Yes, they have alot on money - and they would be foolish if they would invest all of it into stuff they won't sell then. That's not how the market behaves at all - but it responds to customer needs and wishes, paying customers. And that's the crux - once you or me are interested in spending even *more* money into new technology of course the automobile industry will sell, they will make more money then. The oil industry won't like it of course, but then, with all those oil-catastrophies going on and ever-increasing prices they won't get much feedback.
Well, see above. The car-industry is interested selling cars, not oil. And vice-versa.
BTW I expect everybody here in the Chatroom has more money than France, Italy or the USA - because nations generally don't have money at all, they have chronical debt.
Naturally, isn't it? Which is also the reason why there is this hype of green-energy here. Citizens don't want to live in a grey city amidst smoke, getting lung-cancer while the last places of green sicken away. For example, if in summer the near-earth ozone gets too high nobody is allowed to run his car in the specific city. That's bothering a lot of people, and one reason for a change. They *do* care, and if more would care - the oil industry wouldn't have a chance.
It's basically the EU, and other nations.
You are very right, these oil companies are capitalists of the worst kind. A real reson for us all to get independant of them, which is easily said but not done; esp. as they stretch their arms into governments and other parts of industries very well. There can be no doubt they're fighting for their interests by all means.
That's basically the problem. There's not enough wind, there's not enough place (if you subtract private property), not enough sun, or big rivers (where no shipping is). Basically Africa has all these requirements - but unlike us, they haven't the demand nor infrastructure for all these possibilities.
That's what's coming out if you compare a german to a japanese car (just kidding).
Aside, hybrids re-fill electric energy where conventional cars ignore this. A really good concept, just that such a car consists of more increments and is thereby more expensive. Of course it's still in the kindershoes, but that can be said from anything that is new and will get solved when a wider establishment has been achieved.
Basically the trend in the car industry is ever to create cars that will consume less and lesser fuel. My car takes 4,5-5l on 100 km, and that was the main reason I bought this version (and not the one with more horsepower). The point is why would I want to waste my money on burning oil for nothing? Go back to the 80's how small and light cars did have so much use of fuel - nobody would be willing to buy these again today.
Well, given your electric car idea would be here right now, I suspect everbody will buy them at once. Thus, there will be lots of money to gain to those parts of the auto-industry who adapt quickly. However, as it is now, it's a pipe-dream. They don't run that long (because of the lack of a battery that is both forcefull in power and light in weight), they are NOT safe or fast (same reasons here) and of course they break down just like any car.
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Hybrid Cars are technically the better choice. Fully electric cars still cause a large demand for what? Electricity. And depending on where you live that electricity is most likely generated by a fossil fuel product.
But I say whatever.
<----waiting on the day when cars can be powered by one nuclear isotope.
But morph, I thought u wanted cars to remain the same, so would not Hybrid future be better for you.
Ross Scotts kinda radical views on oil
Anyone here heard of GM's EV-1?
It was GM's first completely electric car, built in 1996, and had a range of 180 miles (˜208km) per charge. However, it was only up for lease, not purchase, and by 1997 every model had been either recalled and compacted/recycled, or stripped of all patented materials and components necessary to operate. Battery technology was (and is) available to increase this, but the patents and companies were bought out by the oil industry to prevent integration.
And hydrogen-fueled cars are BS. Not only are they inefficient compared to petro caars, but also in comparison with any other automobile. HFC technology would need to advance fifty years ahead of today, while all other tech remain unprogressed, for it to be even worth an attempt to market.
Sorry Morph, but I'd rather not debate current world strategy and economics on a thread not intended for it.
Uh, good luck Xer0?
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