In case you didn't hear, an islamic Nigerian man tried to "blow up" a Detroit bound airliner on Christmas Day. Fortunately, nobody but the terrorist was hurt and he is currently being held by American officials.
In my opinion, this was just a test-run by a moron follower just to test the system. Something big is coming without a doubt.
Here are some interesting things about this story:
Yes, you read that correctly. Two of the leaders were released from Gitmo, into a "art therapy rehabilitation program". You can't make this stuff up. Will people who want to close Gitmo realize that these people are dangerous, and they always will be?
I fear you are correct about the test run.
ID I belive you may be right. This guy bragged that their are more. It would appear the feeling of security, so hard to regain after 9/11, is slipping away. BTW, I flew this exact route in September (Amsterdam to Detroit, I had connected from Bahrain). I had to give a pretty in-depth interview, despite showing my retired military ID and US government contractors ID, in addition to my passport. My bags were x-rayed then opened and searched in front of me. I have no problem with this, but apparently Nigerians face less scrutiny.
They have an inside man in the whitehouse.
They also know how weak Obama is which makes them even more bold, and that he really doesn't believe in "fighting" terrorism or whatever they want people to call it
How many days did it take him to address the nation about this?
Tell me, did the terrorists know how weak Clinton and Bush were with 9/11? Were they any less bold? Quite frankly, in my opinion, they have been just as bold as ever.
....are you serious? Unbelieveable...ridiculous...
I'm curious, did you fear as much under Bush's presidency, because many of the same policies for security are in place from that administration. Btw, I'm reminded of a quoe:
"If you are distressed by anything external, the pain is not due to the thing itself, but to your estimate of it; and this you have the power to revoke at any moment." Marcos Aurelius
Need we any further support for it being time to tell the Saudi's to get their shit in order? Repeatedly we've had people coming out of Saudi Arabia linked with AQ. If nothing else, they should look into it deeper. I mean really, come on.
The worst part ID was that the mans father had contacted the US offices claiming his son was becoming very radical and that he feared he would try to do something and he wanted help to find him and bring him home yet the guy still managed to get on a flight.
What I have yet to decide is who is dumber, the bomber who could not blow himself up and instead ended up burning himself or Napolitano, Homeland Security Secretary, who first claimed our security system worked then changed her tune.
Now that's comedy, too bad some people don't know a joke when they see one.
Dude, seriously. Grow up. Get a clue, it's called a joke, it's meant to be funny. Losen up buddy.
Talk about 2 different situations. Come on AJ, this one is obvious. During Bush's Administration no one expected something like this to happen even though we had reports that indicated the posibility. We don't really know how bold Bush was at the time because nothing had happened yet. We were weak at the time, because we thought we were untouchable, we thought nothing this big could ever happen to us. We were arrogant at that time. But with Obama things are different, the attack already happened and we are at war with the enemy. During Bush's 8 years he was determined to prove to our enemy that we would not back down, Obama on the other hand wants to be friends with them, he won't even use the word terrorist and things like that. Obama has shown weakness and the fact that you ignore that is even scarier. Obama is not bold, he is an act. Obama depends on his ability to talk a good talk but once his bluff is called he backs down and blames the previous Administration for his failures.
It's actually kinda funny how often Obama blames the previous Administration for his inability to produce positive results yet he gives himself a B+ for the good things that happened thanks to some of Bush's policies. Talk about hypocrisy.
It's about the enforcement buddy. In case you don't remember, many plots were foiled during Bush's Administration but so far 2 attacks have been attempted with one being successful and the other being a failure only because the terrorist was an idiot. And in both cases, there was enough evidence of a possible attack to stop them both. So it's not about implementation, it's about enforcement. Basically what this Administration is doing is allowing these policies to fail to use as proof that the previous Administration's policies sucked. That's a shame considering they are willing to allow people to be hurt just to deal a blow to the opposing party and what's even worse is that people like you are OK with this.
I'm glad you agree this Administration is failing in this as well.
today on the news they were discussing the need (or not) for racial profiling. Of course the liberal guest said it was unconstitutional yet couldn't answer some very basic questions regarding the fact that almost all the problems are linked to the extremist Muslims.
What kills me is the fact that there were red flags on this guy including his own father who alerted the authorities and he wasn't searched. He was on some list for suspected ties with the Muslim extremists and yet still wasn't searched.
My son who is a typical young white male from KY is searched every single time he flies with a certain airline. My husband, with the same name is also searched. Every single time! They pull them both out of line and search them. And every single time we complain. They did it again last week when my son came for a visit. They were very rude and condescending until his wife with a very strong Kentucky twang complained. Unbelieveable!
Yet, this other black young man with Muslim ties got on the plane headed to Detroit without being searched even tho his name was on the list. I say...go for the racial profiling. It makes much more sense than patting down a Christian white young man every single time he flies.
Yes, actually osama mentioned how weak Clinton was and said it gave them strength.
"However when...(many) of your soldiers were killed in minor battles and one American pilot was dragged in the streets of Mogadish, you left the area carrying disappointment, humiliation, defeat, and your dead with you. Clinton appeared in front of the whole world threatening and promising revenge, but these threats were merely a preparation for withdrawal. You have been disgraced by Allah and you withdrew; the extent of you impotence and weaknessses became very clear"
KFC, I'm going to disagree with you here. I don't agree with racial profiling because that can be too easily turned on it's head against christians, conservatives, democrats whatever opening the door to oppression. In fact it's probably BECAUSE of racial profiling and the animosity against it that prevented this guy from being searched. He was clearly on the list and wasn't flying under an alias which means it was plain as day. Bottom line is he is a suspect on a terriorist list and security did nothing.
Maybe Biden was right *shudders*? Took 6 months for Napolitano to show the world that the Obama administration adopts the "let's hug a terrorist" program and within 6 months of this they tested the system?
Nobody should worry too much about this Nigerian. He has lawyered up (no way to get more intelligence info now) and will now receive the best legal defense US taxpayer money can buy under the same laws that he pissed on 4 days ago. Liberals can rest easy, one of their own is safe now. Worst case he gets a nice room with 3 square meals.
I love how the left is blaming Bush for this one too. This administration couldn't wait to change any of the previous administrations policies when they got in. Will this administration take responsibility for anything that doesn't get them a vote?
It takes intelligence to recognize non-slapstick humor. LIberals dont have it. That is why they dont laugh.
Can be AD? It apparently already has been (spy on a conservative today! And email obama!). Sad and prophetic, and now true.
NC, like the sheep on Animal Farm, the left only bleats what it is told to.
IMO Conservatives that support racial profiling should rethink it in a hurry! It wasn't long ago that Napalitano sent out an official memo putting all Tea Party goers and supporters on the list. Reid stated in public that those who didn't support the UHC were equivalent to those who support slavery. Do we not remember the 'report Obama opposition gov website"? This stuff is happening and racial profiling can be used against the American population faster than the ink would have to dry. There are other examples as well all in ONE YEAR!!!!!
Stick with CIA and FBI and other internation agencies doing their job and security getting their act together
Right because he's on the 'watch' list er rather the 'no-watch' list?
I agree with AD about racial profiling. Don't get me wrong, I understand were everyone is thinking and that it is radical muslims so we should screen them, but Hitler started instituting laws against groups that people didn't trust, didn't like, or didn't care about. Once these laws were functioning he was able to institute similar laws against other groups
Racial profiling??? Give me a break. Religion profiling maybe. What has his race got anything to do with it?
Also how on earth did he get a Visa if he was on a watch list. The system broke down badly.... Again
you could be right but in this case it's the Muslim extremists that are time and time again doing the terrorizing. Something has to be done. It's not the white Christians or the white conservatives doing the terrorizing.
Something is radically wrong when my son (white country boy) gets pulled out of line every single time and these muslims are slipping in unchecked time and time again. What about the Muslim who opened fire on the soldiers recently at Ft. Hood? He was covered in red flags but nobody dared call him out for fear of "profiling" him. Somethings radically wrong when our belief in NOT doing any profiling is being used against us.
I don't know what the answer is either. I just know that we have no choice but to look at the Muslims with a wary eye (sorry to say) because of a growing number of bad apples that want to be the big hero in taking our country down.
Bush didn't get everything right, but he was right on this one issue. This is an act of war, not a crime. Obama calls this terrorist an "alleged extremist." No sir, he is an enemy combatant at war with America. What were watching now is just a rerun of the run-up to 911. We already saw the result of the Obama/Clinton policy. Why are we going back there when it is a proven failure? I cant see why Muslims and peaceful islamic people would object to more scrutiny when they travel. We know whos got it in for us, so why not zero in on the people who fit the profile? It should be done respectfully and with regard to the dignity of the people, but it should be done. The Israeli model for airport security should be used throughout the world before more people get killed.
YOu misspoke. The current government profiling has nothing to do with race (nor really does the calls by the conservatives as they do not care about race). It is profiling (Nigerians are black, not Arab after all).
IN the end, the PC will do us in. It is only a matter of time before we are strip searching a norwegian granny while an Indonesian (or Phillipino, Malaysian, American) Muslim is lighting a bomb that works.
I would rather see everyone checked; unfortunately though, most people want saftey and convenience, - hence if we did search everyone thoroughly, someone would bitch and complain about it. I would bet you my left nut it would turn out that way.
That said, as history has shown us, a that one norweigan granny that we didn't check (out of counter PC), could be the one that does us in. You just never know, and have to be aware.
I would feel safer knowing that everyone was checked, as has been shown - people who were never thought to have connections to terrorism, in fact carried out attacks.
See last answer.
Perhaps
Dude, given his previous assinine comments towards me, my taking these recent discussions too seriously (resulting in high bp), the stress at home/school - I would agree. I had hoped to find a stress release in the form of my love of debate/discussion.........guess not.
(Where's "cheech and chong up in smoke" when you need a good relaxing movie?)
My point is this (and only this): Take a look at their mindset. They're bound and determined. They are always going to be motivated, whether or not there is a strong or weak president. Everyone that isn't them is weak, even peaceful muslims. I don't really feel there is much correlation between how strong we are and how motivated they are - their life is the destruction of us, that is their creed.
How much further can you go from being extremists? It implies not just mindset, but.., for want of a term, will or motivation.
Do you see what I'm trying to say?
I see what you are saying, but you are wrong.
If people like Osama or whoever is in charge now see the U.S. ha a weak President, which Obama very much is, they are even more likely to pull off a big attack.
Obama doesn't even want his own administration calling people "terrorists". Of course them makes them bolder.
Exactly, it may start off as a good idea but we must often think about how it could be used against WE the people.
Are they Muslim extremists or extremists who happen to be Muslim? Personally I go with the latter. Remember a while back when there was a couple stories about these white guys who went to Pakistan to get training? I could remember enough info off the top about it get a link. I will agree the current TENDENCY is Black or Arab individuals who claim to be Muslim are the ones running around threatening and blowing stuff up but that doesn't mean it's limited to their race. Racial profiling in my opinion is similar to the philosophy that gave us sterilization.
Agreed something is radically wrong but profiling isn't the answer to fixing it. The problem you are referring to in my opinion goes to show you that Affirmative Action has long outlived it's purpose. They knew but didn't do anything because it could come back to bite them as being racial or religious discrimination. I've worked in the Gov't to have seen this in action! For our techies here we had a guy who happened to be half Navajo and half black. He changed the DNS address on the print server just to see what would happen. The problem was once the network printers crashed he didn't know how to roll it back or anything. In Corp world the boy be fired but in gov't they were afraid because he already made threats of using race!!!! Again its the current system that's the problem KFC and profiling of any kind isn't going to help but rather make things worse.
I think the answer is simple. Let the FBI, ICE, CIA, Police, etc do their job. Quit giving them hurdles and loops holes that they have to constantly jump through. Stop victimizing the victims.
And why wouldn't he? That's like going into a boxing match with a professional who says they will tie their leggs together and their right arm behind their back. The pro boxer who'd kill me if allowed to but with him all tied up it increases my odds of winning significantly! It's that simple!
As I stated earlier, it is not racial, but it is profiling. I think (right now at least) that it is the religion not the coincidence of individuals. Like all religions, some will go off in the wrong direction, but there are more than a few imams that are urging this direction. As such, not all muslims are prone to this, but as long as the heirarchy and idiots (Cat Stevens anyone?) are fomenting it, the body religious has to be watched. That does not necessarily mean profiling, but it does mean using intelligence in guarding our airlines and borders. No profiling was needed here, just intelligence. Where he had been, and of course the connecting of the dots. That alone should have singled him out,
Again I have to point out how, for people who have so many feelings, you didn't even say how bad you felt this happened to her son. You do realize the idea of treating everyone as a terrorist just to be sure to cath the one guy or girl who really is again goes against what this country was founded on, innocent till proved guilty. We should not be searching everyone as if everyone is a suspect. What we should be doing is check and double checking those who we have red flags on. Even the slightest detail should be taken into consideration regardless of race or religion.
You already have to be at the airport 2 to 3 hours before your flight, doing searches on every single person head to toe would require people to show up 4 maybe 5 hours before thier flight. Do you really want to be at an airport for that long? Do you think airports can handle having people standing around that many hours? Do you not consider thinking your ideas a bit father than just the basic solution? Come on AJ.
Of course we want convenience, who doesn't? The fact that having to watch for these guys 24 hours a day gives them a win because we can no longer live normal lives for fear they could be that old man sitting next to us, the baby in that ladys hands or the white guy with blonde hair and blue eyes.
Perhaps? Come on, you can do better than that.
Keep in mind your not the only one whos stressed out these days. We could all use rest, relaxation and even a place to blow some steam. I wouldn't mind finding one of the restaurants that let you break plates in a spacial room or maybe one of those places where they have rooms filled with second hand (usually non-working) stuff you can break for a fee.
Coming to JU is entertaining for me but not to relieve stress, at least not for me. I tend to actaully get more upset coming here but at the same time I learn a thing or 2 while I'm at it. All I have to do is get on my computer, kill some zombies and I'm good afterwards.
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