This thread has been closed by pacov - a new thread has been created here: http://forums.demigodthegame.com/383615
Why create this thread?
Simply stated, the ladder is generally not the best depiction of skill, imho. It GENERALLY tracks who plays the game the most and/or who acts like a jerk by cheating instead of who the most talented players are. That's not to say that everyone high up in the ladder falls into this category. So, if I were to put together my own ladder that indicated skill, I wonder how things would shake out. Obvious hurdles being that many highly skilled individuals don't play each other. So, this requires either the people that don't play together to play more together (my personal choice) or I have to rely from feedback from other players.
Your part if you want to participate
Who do you guys think are the best players in demigod today? I understand that its a team game, but individual players do tend to stand out (and I also know that one great player can't guarantee a win if he has weak teammates, etc). I'm happy to have everyone's feedback. I'm not looking for people to jump in and flame. Just call out who you think is great or who you'd like to see fight. Perhaps we'll get games going. You want to flame and talk crap, your post will probably end up deleted.
You can nominate anyone you want. To keep this from being a list of who likes who, several individuals that are generally considered excellent at the game will moderate the list. If those individuals generally agree, a player can be removed or promoted in the list.
I've decided on 4 categories of players and have provided descriptions of each. Please recommend players along with the category you feel they fit in.
Tier 1 Demigod Players:
Realistically, its my belief that there are 10-30 players in this game that are tier 1 DG players (the best). Those players shine as individuals, generally with a wide variety of characters and do not depend on a specific team or teammate to do well. They can play exceptionally in 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, and 5v5. These are players that do not cheat or desync games. These are the people that you want on your team or you want to play against because you know you will get a good game. Any player in this list or any other should currently be an active player.
Tier 2 Demigod Players:
These are players that don't quite currently fit into highest level of players, but are good players all the same. Perhaps they require a specific team or can only do well in specific types of games (1v1, 2v2). The bottom line is that they aren't quite as polished or versatile as the highest level players.
Tier 3 Demigod Players:
A third group (or list) would be everyone else. No need to list individuals...
Demigod Players that Should Be Avoided:
These would be specific individuals that clearly (and I mean clearly) cheat. You don't get on this list unless I (pacov) am VERY convinced that you belong here.
How does one not know ITT? Also, you can just go to google and type in "define: ITT" and then just pick the most logical definition.
Here Ninki:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ITT
Edit: Lol, wrong link.
You don't browse forums enough.
Ninki, I'm not going to get into a whole big thing here, but you can play one character and that is all. You're not the master of demigod. Anytime you want to make some good replays, grab Jona and let me know.
Got an issue with someone only playing one character?
I got an issue with someone talking like they know everything about every playstyle and chemistry etc. when they can only play one character well. Ninki plays several characters but is only good with one.
anyone object to nom for tier1?
Of course not, Nomilarac is a Demigod expert.
Actually I'd argue I'm good with none.
But anyway, that's beside the point. It's like saying all judges need to be good as their contestants. If you know the mechanics of the game and have a brain, you can be a good judge.
Anyway reading over my reply I think I was a bit too harsh. I apologize and I will refrain from delving any deeper into the issue.
I suck at Demigod, and I've never, ever, ever claimed otherwise.
Don't back out now, like I said, let's make some replays. You are good with one character and you barely know the mechanics of the game, so you have no right to do all this judging.
heh
thank you for your feedback - nom to tier 1.
edit - as the tourney is taking a silly ass long time, I'm looking again at our list. I still expect this list to get an overhaul, but I'm evaluating again. If i missed you, please let me know here and we'll quickly review... be that tier 2, tier 1, etc.
My realistic goal is trying to update this list a little to get it a bit accurate. And please let me remind you, again and again, its a dumbass list. You might be substantially better than EVERYONE listed here. If things are working ok, you should get a fair chance to prove that. You might be better than me. A few are. Its ok. Just have fun and goof off in our list discussion if you want to.
I already suggested a Tier 1 match up, but it's not going to happen for some time.
Besides, I'm not backing out I'm just not going to waste my time.
Why don't you try and post something constructive for once, since all you do is just spit out nonsense.
You'd rather not waste your team losing games? I don't get it. You talk all the time like you know exactly why everyone fails and what to do in every situation then refuse to back it up. You did the same thing with cow not long ago saying how terrible his beast was then wouldn't play UB vs him yourself, you stuck to Erebus the only character you know how to play. Since I'm such a fail UB and you knew automatically that Orcun and I would lose our game because I played him, why don't we play our own mini tournament?
How am I supposed to be constructive, you actually want me to explain to you and Jona how to play? I think my class time series of replays are quite constructive, I'd rather not get too wordy in my posts.
^I already explained myself by saying "I wouldn't do a UB justice. I want to dominate the game, not just win." I also know for a fact that no one would support me as well as myself, which is why I rarely play UB. You even said yourself "Your UB is not bad" but clearly your posts stem from some sort of frustration you have with me and maybe even yourself. Funny that you were one of the people that posted my replay to nominate me for Tier 1, and I never asked for it.
And the statement still holds true.
Go ahead, explain what needs to be changed that you do better. I already did my fair share in 1 sentence.
http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&show=details&id=126009
I always like to bring this replay up whenever I think of Ninki, to this day he won't admit that they lost because of both members, Ninki still think Heros is completely to blame. My half assed DA with experimental build was more then enough for a no hp wearer lol. Then ninki goes and makes comments like "This is why Temp shouldn't be in Tier 1" and "Post the replay and everyone will see your wrong and I'm right".
I'm going to keep this short and sweet since I feel like my posts tend to be too long. Now you can't just post a replay and say, look look at how bad he is. You actually have to say something about what you believe the player did incorrectly because a lot of the times, it's the weaker player that costs the game, which I believe was the case in that game.
Your criticism was that I did not hp stack and instead got 2 mana helms - a plenor (1500G) and a scaled helm (550G) - based on the gold I had.
1) The 2 good Occulus in DG in my opinion are RAWRRRR and Magnus. Both prioritize mana helms before hp items, which is exactly what I did. I could've sold my demolishers for armour, but against a DA, demolishers tend to work quite nicely.
2) You said that most Occulus you see have around 7000hp, but just the other day I saw RAWRRRR's Occulus who had 4 kills and barely cracked 6000 until end-game. I was an Occulus that had to buy currency 1 and no kills, so I'm not sure where the gold for armour would come from.
3) You aimed for the DA during every gank, which was the correct DG to aim. After my partner dies in a gank, there is no way I myself would be able to take 2 DGs on. I wasn't the source of the problem - it was the DA. Why do I think the replay shows why he isn't Tier 1 - because like I've said before, he does not know how to adjust to the situation. He gets boots of speed and speed buffs against an Oak who has pent and surge, and a DA that has warp strike. He saves up 4k of gold for I'm not really sure what (creeps I'm guessing) when he should've sold his boots for armour, or even an orb of defiance - it wasn't that he was lacking gold because he had Heaven's Wrath.
4) During my whole conversation with you, you talked as if you did all the work, which is typically the way you talk all the time because you don't give credit to others where it's due. Your build worked because you had an Oak with pent - which has armour reduction. The problem wasn't exactly hp, but armour.
But hey, at least I didn't moan and cry about Oak's shield being OP, and that it should be impenetrable, which is exactly what you did when you lost to Janook. How come I don't hear you complaining about shield when you're the one reaping its benefits?
EDIT: Damn it that wasn't short and sweet at all.
1) Herp derp, of course you get Mana before hp, I'm saying after you get your mana, you stack HP, you didn't till the end.
2) YOU HAD 4.5k at the CITEDAL AND YOU GOT NOTHING.
3)Yeah and when we killed DA, you with no HP or Armor really helped things along against my Melee build that would easily be weakened by armor.
4)My build worked because you had no armor, the pen just made it worse for you, but of course you can't figure that out for yourself. Never did I also say I did all the work, I always say I was half assed in that match and that you were both to blame but as everyone knows, you don't listen.
Also you say that DA saved up 4k gold when he should of bought items (Not creeps), but you did the exact same thing! You saved up because you thought you had to buy creeps (Or so you told me) when you should of just got some hp and items! Yet nope, it's all DA's fault.
Typical Ninki.
Did you not read what I said in #3 - what good would 1k or even 2k of hp do after my DA dies and you two both have 3k of hp left with a sigil waiting to be activated.
If I was being targeted then I would've gotten hp and armour, but I got citadel upgrades in hopes that it would save my DA from death.
You just need more Fireballs.
Yes, and typical Ninki is always right.
Too bad I don't have the replay of Koush that 1 game playing a... what did he call it.. pure AOE build? I think it was Circle of Fire, Rain of Ice, Fire Nova and Ice Nova.
And then he goes on to blame me for my "bad" Erebus, because I bat swarmed in to another Erebus, which is exactly what Renz does so I guess that makes 2 bad Erebus.
CITEDAL. That is all.
Pure AoE build would be awesome to fight 1v1 against.
You think someones oc comes even close to comparing to mine? I'm insulted.
AND RAWR NO LESS.............
Do we ever play together anymore? No. Do you message me on msn? No. I message you on msn and do you reply? No.
I don't even know why I still try from time to time. You said you'd lend me a TENT to sleep in if I came to visit, even though you'll have a whole resort. You wouldn't even sacrifice ONE room out of the 200 for me because you think it's so important to make money off of a poor student. It'll be POCKET CHANGE to you anyway.
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