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Why create this thread?
Simply stated, the ladder is generally not the best depiction of skill, imho. It GENERALLY tracks who plays the game the most and/or who acts like a jerk by cheating instead of who the most talented players are. That's not to say that everyone high up in the ladder falls into this category. So, if I were to put together my own ladder that indicated skill, I wonder how things would shake out. Obvious hurdles being that many highly skilled individuals don't play each other. So, this requires either the people that don't play together to play more together (my personal choice) or I have to rely from feedback from other players.
Your part if you want to participate
Who do you guys think are the best players in demigod today? I understand that its a team game, but individual players do tend to stand out (and I also know that one great player can't guarantee a win if he has weak teammates, etc). I'm happy to have everyone's feedback. I'm not looking for people to jump in and flame. Just call out who you think is great or who you'd like to see fight. Perhaps we'll get games going. You want to flame and talk crap, your post will probably end up deleted.
You can nominate anyone you want. To keep this from being a list of who likes who, several individuals that are generally considered excellent at the game will moderate the list. If those individuals generally agree, a player can be removed or promoted in the list.
I've decided on 4 categories of players and have provided descriptions of each. Please recommend players along with the category you feel they fit in.
Tier 1 Demigod Players:
Realistically, its my belief that there are 10-30 players in this game that are tier 1 DG players (the best). Those players shine as individuals, generally with a wide variety of characters and do not depend on a specific team or teammate to do well. They can play exceptionally in 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, and 5v5. These are players that do not cheat or desync games. These are the people that you want on your team or you want to play against because you know you will get a good game. Any player in this list or any other should currently be an active player.
Tier 2 Demigod Players:
These are players that don't quite currently fit into highest level of players, but are good players all the same. Perhaps they require a specific team or can only do well in specific types of games (1v1, 2v2). The bottom line is that they aren't quite as polished or versatile as the highest level players.
Tier 3 Demigod Players:
A third group (or list) would be everyone else. No need to list individuals...
Demigod Players that Should Be Avoided:
These would be specific individuals that clearly (and I mean clearly) cheat. You don't get on this list unless I (pacov) am VERY convinced that you belong here.
pffft the drama just becomes better in an MMO. You don't want arguments over why whale dicks and midget porn aren't acceptable to post but racism is?
Or arguments over statistics where someone in guild gets trolled for 20 pages and gets really pissed off?
Anyway, there isn't much drama in this game, so I don't see what you mean.
I cause half of them. Why? Because games are boring.
Dundoon is good.
I nominate myself, for 1 of the 3 tiers. LoL.
don't worry, i'll stay away from your games from now on. I don't like my gold and inventory being babysat by a bunch of control freaks anyways.
was a few cool peeps, but i am out of the pacov and GM circle. and couldn't care less.
Whats with the _Jona, its Jona__ , the extra __ makes me special before everyone started copying it .
I'll fix ya up. What, I can't have a dyslexic moment?
Best of luck in your future endeavors.
There is a reason its called babysitting. Some people need it. I love me a good sheild bot and giants bank when im playing rook.
Hmm... I don't remember being all that impressed with him, but Ke5trel probably makes a good point re: flag caps. I'd like to a see a replay if anyone remembers to grab one. My memory of him was that he wasn't that great, but its probably been awhile since I bumped into him. So, replay or if any more of the tier 1's recommend him and I'll bump him to tier 2.
To rehash Xynth's status as tier 2:
McShane said:
Cow said (moo):
cow:
Mcshane:
Anyway, my 2 cents is that I generally do think that tier 2 is appropriate for him. I do agree with the criticism McShane had in that sometimes he just does whatever he thinks is best even if it probably isn't for the team - or to put it another way, I don't find myself agreeing with him on tactics. Does he generally get the job done? Yes. He does buy citadel upgrades as appropriate. Can having him on your team be a liability? Yes. Even during my last game with him as a teammate, he was making some interesting calls. We lack flag control or the ability to hold any of the 3 mids on cata for > 25 seconds. Logical conclusion - buy some locks to get control back and at least throw the rhythm of the other team. He didn't agree or that pissed him off that I request people get locks because he knows how to play (i think that's what he means by "being babysat by a bunch of control freaks"). At the beginning of the match, he was solo on the mana side and indicated that he wouldn't be going to middle much (which meant oak or oc would have to go back and forth). He got angry with me when I didn't go to fight 2 higher hp dgs on a flag they control when I had him there for support. This would have resulted in their 3rd character porting in and probably killing 1 or both us after i had to use a shield to save either him or me (and we still would have had 0 flags). And even if the 3rd character didn't port in, all they had to do was target reg and that would have been enough. Hell, even back at the character selection screen he probably should have considered another character. Not because reg isn't viable, but I knew before the game started that our 3rd player isn't on the same level as the competition. This meant to me that I should go with one of my stronger characters. Again, another tactical decision. We didn't lose that game primarily because of him (Oc was the weakest link on our team and put us into a situation where we were going to lose), but that's just what I mean by tactics. Maybe my tactics are flawed, but I know I don't agree with his. I could have been whoever Xynth thinks is the best in the game, but there was no chance of winning that game with the 3rd person on the team being more squishy than a reg that has to run after 1 second from every fight.
Ok Xynth is tier 2. I'll vouch for him. We have even worse players on that Tier 2 list (and arguably in Tier 1 ) so why not shove him in there.
And Mithrandar still not being in Tier 1 is blasphemy I tell ya. If there's 1 guy that can take on Orcun's UB - it's Mithrandar.
I said i wasn't going to be getting Mana flag often, to stay in range for HP snipes.and of course i would take mana when the opportunity arose.
mad at the fact that a tier 1 player can't simply tell his HP partner to get back to the HP flag. and it was more like being frantic too the both of you.
you shielded me once and it was unnecessary. and i had no intention of pushing HP with you, agreeing with you on the fact that 2 of them could kill me with ease at level 3. It was tactical4 that made the mistake of going mana, while i was trying to take xp.
we were all in the midst of 1st shop rotation, where you decided to buy currency without talking about it, only saying that you probably have to get it, and went and did it before i had a chance to say anything, the thought even crossed my mind to buy you something to make up for that bad decision on your part. when you know, as well as many other experienced players know, that a reg is the logical choice for currency. a reg farming mana, even more so. you buying it on mistrust and arrogance not only weakened you, but gave me gold that i didn't need at the time, and changing my plans. my fault for not saying off the bat that i was buying currency, kind of thought you even expected it.
telling someone to get flags is an obvious task. which might of been the reason OC went mana. confusion. maybe next time say 2 HERE, GO XP FLAG. not as vague as GET FLAGS, GET FLAGS. your Tier 1 pacov, but you type like a noob. and NEED vent. You rely on it, and it is a flaw you brought into the game as well.
we could of had a kill, but you let him run into the fog with 250 hp, when you know i wouldn't of had tracking at level 3. and you did so with 3/4 of your hp and because their oak was on the way. you didnt even ask for the snipe, like you forgot you had a reg on your team, even though i had just shot him and given you the balls to attack him. like i said in game, milliseconds longer and i had him. again, my fault for assuming you know your stuff. should of updated my 8 second cooldown for you.
and did you even look at the war score? i know i did, and i didn't even bother responding to you because you were flipping out over nothing. it is borderline useless to waste money on locks when your level 3. not to mention i had currency on the mind, but you fudged that up. the difference was maybe 300, and it was a matter of time before they went to shop.
your non stop complainging is what set me off. you talk about tactics, but you had nothing constructive to say during that match. and if you think saying GET FLAGS over and over is constructive, it is not, it slows your thought and reactions down because your not focused, making you a liability.
as for McShane, he hasn't had enough games with me to have a serious opinion on me. I once had a DA build in his game with no mana helm, that 1 action branded me a noob in his mind. even though we have won tough games together. i'm sorry that i don't research on the internet what the best builds are and copy what everyone else is doing, and have to tweak mine from time to time. that DA build has unbreakable boots, natures reckoning, and all plus skills. ends up being alot of mana, and enough mp regen. and if you still think i am a noob, ask your clans founder, omincronlyrea. and how many times we smacked others around throughout epoch2. i was offered to be its second member.
Jaws8you and I played a 2v2. not even 60 seconds into the game did he start complaining about what I was doing. we had HP flag, they had XP and MP. he was at HP flag with someone wanting control of it. our tower had just taken a beating and was below half of its health. I started towards him, he said he was fine and went off on how i should be getting the other flags. straight up non stop grief about it.
my thoughts. help defend HP flag that had just gotten FS1 instead of throwing that investment away and letting two of them push jaws back and finishing it off before it can sustain an attack. there wasn't even a 50 point difference in warscore. and the tower would have been able to last longer. but jaws, who i had one many, many games with, yelled at me like i was a red-headed stepchild. now you decide what is the better decision, the one i am already making, or turning around and wasting that time?. i know if i was the other team, i would want that tower down a.s.a.p, while its weak, and finish it even if it means taking a few hits. they would have taken hp from him while i was getting xp, than gotten a head start on finishing the tower while i rush to his aid. i might not of even gotten the xp flag in that time.
I wasn't going over to him to pick the daisies by his feet. it was just cause. but i don't deserve to be reamed out because your opinion is different. and maybe not even better. and with vent, it takes just the push of a button to let someone have it.
thats my thought process, and i flipped on jaws just as i did pacov. I am tired of hearing someone cry over a game when i am trying to have fun, people that i have played with for months become babies over 1 simple choice. in a game that they will continue to play a thousand more games of. There is no reward when you hit a certain number of wins. and freaking out on people will only cost you their friendship.
I consider myself tier 1, thanks. and i don't care if i am not on your 'list'. i have played many games with you lag wars crew, and have many occasions were i wonder just what the hell you guys were doing, but did i say anything???..lol..no...i get told i dont talk enough. but i dont ream someones choice of direction out, i read off of it, i follow their lead, and be their teammate.
Xynth is already in the tier 2 list. http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/1361942/player/28414/. Recommending a guy to tier 1 after a beating < an hour ago though... should have been somewhat even based on our tier list anyway. It wasn't. It was a fun game though.
Jaws complains at everyone. God knows he does to me, lmao.
^I'm still a fan. I like the way he sighs.
Whatever McShane has with you is between you two, but Omicron is not our clans founder. He's the founder of gL.
yea i just remembered that, sorry.
^It's such a genuine sigh. I actually don't know anyone that can sigh as well as him.
No need to apologize. Oh but what you can do is come back on vent
I personally do miss you, although we don't really know each other... but I still do miss seeing your name.
PS. Pacov, if I can get half the Tier 1's to vouch for Mith to be in Tier 1, would that work? I'll just get confirmation from Shane, Orcun, magnus, Janook, renz, and me. Even though cow hates him, I'm sure even he would admit that mith should be up there.
I don't really understand what you are saying here. You got angry when I wouldn't come to the mana flag after getting mid when I was heading to the HP flag. I explained my reasoning why i think what you had in mind was a bad idea.
Again - I'm not sure what you are referring to. We were on forces of dark. You were trying to get me to push the MANA flag in the situation I described. Not the HP flag.
Oh yes, I know that. But the reg on my team didn't have enough money when we hit level 3 for some reason. And, again referring to events that you don't seem to remember, I asked who's buying currency at level 2. We hit level 3, I said guess I'll need to get it. 30 seconds go by and I buy currency when I see you having around 1100 gold. You could have replied then. And I'll even give you the benefit of the doubt and say you were just a little short. I definitely asked who's buying in chat. You said nothing. I definitely indicated that i would when no one replied. Of course me spending money on myself would have helped. Try not to miss the fact that we were likely going to lose the game going in. You realized that, right?
I disagree. Anytime I pug, I don't use vent. I do quite well without my pals. I think you might need vent - probably would have responded to me asking in game who's buying currency.
Good regs need you to tell them to snipe apparently?
2 times in the game about flags. The rest of the complaining belonged to you. And you did quite a bit of it.
Then don't do it yourself. I bought currency, after all.
Well - we do disagree on the tier 1 status. But your are certainly right in not caring if you are on the list. Its just a list and my opinion of your play style is not meant to be offensive.
Xynth - you make excellent points about the game simply being a game that should be played just to have fun. Some of us take the game much more seriously than we should. No one should get bitched out, as I have done in the past, simply because they make a decision I don't agree with. It's quite rude and childish. I don't believe I bitched you out a single time in the game. You explained why you had such a negative reaction - fair enough. And you are generally a great teammate. I still won't agree with some of your tactical decisions and you won't agree with some of mine.
Exactly. I learned that lesson already. I assume you don't really want to be in the same boat, though.
hmm... guess how many tier 1's agree with me...
I'm really the only one that needs convincing at this point. I know he's in your clan and you guys will go to bat for him. Fair enough there, but what's he got? He plays a great assassin style oak in 2v2. What else am I missing? I'm sure must be acting very shortsighted on this cause either he's great and I'm missing it or he's not and you guys are just backing him up. I'm quite happy to move him up to tier 1... hmmm... seems like we always get to this part of the conversation... I'll try to be on a bunch tonight and tomorrow... mayhaps we can bottom this out quickly. On the pro side, I do consider him to be great in 2v2 as an oak like i said.
I like how GM has majority rule of deciding who is on Tier 1...
^Be less anti-social and you'll have half your clan up there too.
I didn't play well, but Obiwhan is a terrible Rook, the fact that he wanted to go to the mana flag to fight Oculus instead of helping push rook on the HP flag at the start of the game says it all. And the game wasn't really mith's fault, it was mine from being too aggressive. But it was still a fine game until Jona's triple smite sent it all down hill. Also, I think this is the very next game http://pantheon.demigodthegame.com/game/1362055/player/35153/. Mith actually had a decent rook holding HP so he proceeded to single handedly own the other team with 7 kills in like a 12 minute game.
Obiwhan gets Scaled Helm + Plate Visor as a BotS Rook.
That is all.
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