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Why create this thread?
Simply stated, the ladder is generally not the best depiction of skill, imho. It GENERALLY tracks who plays the game the most and/or who acts like a jerk by cheating instead of who the most talented players are. That's not to say that everyone high up in the ladder falls into this category. So, if I were to put together my own ladder that indicated skill, I wonder how things would shake out. Obvious hurdles being that many highly skilled individuals don't play each other. So, this requires either the people that don't play together to play more together (my personal choice) or I have to rely from feedback from other players.
Your part if you want to participate
Who do you guys think are the best players in demigod today? I understand that its a team game, but individual players do tend to stand out (and I also know that one great player can't guarantee a win if he has weak teammates, etc). I'm happy to have everyone's feedback. I'm not looking for people to jump in and flame. Just call out who you think is great or who you'd like to see fight. Perhaps we'll get games going. You want to flame and talk crap, your post will probably end up deleted.
You can nominate anyone you want. To keep this from being a list of who likes who, several individuals that are generally considered excellent at the game will moderate the list. If those individuals generally agree, a player can be removed or promoted in the list.
I've decided on 4 categories of players and have provided descriptions of each. Please recommend players along with the category you feel they fit in.
Tier 1 Demigod Players:
Realistically, its my belief that there are 10-30 players in this game that are tier 1 DG players (the best). Those players shine as individuals, generally with a wide variety of characters and do not depend on a specific team or teammate to do well. They can play exceptionally in 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, and 5v5. These are players that do not cheat or desync games. These are the people that you want on your team or you want to play against because you know you will get a good game. Any player in this list or any other should currently be an active player.
Tier 2 Demigod Players:
These are players that don't quite currently fit into highest level of players, but are good players all the same. Perhaps they require a specific team or can only do well in specific types of games (1v1, 2v2). The bottom line is that they aren't quite as polished or versatile as the highest level players.
Tier 3 Demigod Players:
A third group (or list) would be everyone else. No need to list individuals...
Demigod Players that Should Be Avoided:
These would be specific individuals that clearly (and I mean clearly) cheat. You don't get on this list unless I (pacov) am VERY convinced that you belong here.
deleted some posts due to mini-flame war. blacklisting from thread next. play nice kiddos.
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I think I've played maybe 4 people total in that list, the rest I've never even heard of lol.
I think I've played with just about everyone on this list at one point or another (missing 1 or 2 people i think). I'm thinking of removing some of the names or just crossing some out as many are inactive players now.
Another comment on the 2 man team of erskaconti and sakke. These 2 still stand out a bit more for me. I've played them with various teammates and even wiped the floor with them several times, but what's most impressive to me is their adaptive playstyle. I could play 3 games in a row with them and the difficulty would actually increase the more they got used to me and my teammates. And if I had a teammate that couldn't adapt fast enough if they switched to a speed build, then it was gg.
The player who I feel are the best 2nana
HorseStrangler "UB"
Abuggeredheddie "Sedna"
Jona- "UB"
I'll update when I check my replays
Man, I didn't even make the list. Granted I've been gone for two months, but I thought I'd start up playing again. With the stats reset, I can actually get pug games again! 8)
-- Tukulis
Uhhh... I believe my DA was nominated. Yeah, that's right. Amazing_Oak was good too we probably should've won that game especially since we had Yetis on our team.
I see where this list is going. It's basically an online pre-made family. I had a family once. They died when the info bar came out. Now I must pug against my favor, or face the wrath of 2 hour wait times.
I guess what I'm wondering is, are these players playing each other regularly yet? I would like to get in on that. I request that any of the above players be removed if they have concerns for their record as synn stated earlier.
I'm surprised HorseRadish isn't up there.
Remove my name until someone mentions it. Pwease.
I nominate Cowbuttzex.
Lot of good players up there. I think we should end this with a vote of the best of the best, and then arrange some type of showdown.
A show down would be good, I wouldn't mind lowering a few of those egos up there. It would be refreshing to have a team that knows what they are doing, so used to pugging.
Me and Peter vs the world.
Are you implying that this thread exists for any purpose other than boosting the egos of players who already consider themselves great?
But yes, you are seeing between the lines and have perhaps uncovered one of my ultra secret goals. I actually got a little bit of this idea after a conversation with Janook a few weeks back. It seems that his method of play has been to get with 4-6 players that are all quite good and then mix things up a bit. So long as the skill levels are relatively even, then they just play. So, they function LIKE a premade, but without set teams. So, the skill level won't be quite at the level of a seasoned premade due to the extra coordination that happens due to familiarity over time, but its actually somewhat negligible if everyone is on even footing.
See, the thing is, and I'm pretty sure the case will be that most (but certainly not all) of the players on this list have pretty big egos (myself included). You are apparently in that club as well (eg you couldn't lower anyone's ego unless you are better than them). I also think that some people don't want to play against top level opponents specifically because they don't handle losing all that well. I think we are all in the same boat in that we'd hate playing if all we ever did was lose. Another reason why the top level players end up fighting random pugs here and there. Sure, there's the aspect that there are only a few premade teams to play against or there not always being an appropriate skill level game out there, but perhaps this list will develop into a list of players that regularly play together.
Some are, but I believe most are not.
My ideal goal with all this would be that more of us play together and against each other on a regular basis. The real emphasis needs to be on fighting against each other, imo, as otherwise we really will just end up forming new premades and then soon have no one to play against. I also agree that players desyncing or pulling the host disconnect exploit or making games vanish or ending game just before the citadel falls on a loss or just being all around asses be removed from this list. I'd rather not play these sorts of people.
Great, let's create a small, elitist, closed circle of players inside the already small and low populated community of people that play Demigod online.
Yep, it sounds like a great idea for the game's community health. Let's scare away unexperienced players a lil bit more.
"Give me a sec, you're not in the list of top players. Sorry, you can't play in this game."
I know what you mean. The elitist route is kind of crap, but its either keep the status quo or come up with something different.
I am open to ideas, of course. I just tend to like thinking that is similar to Janooks. I certainly don't object to a larger group of people with similar skill levels playing together, but it almost always is to the exclusion of other players that some don't consider as strong. And don't you find this to be the case to some degree already? I host a PUG game, people will join. Someone with meh stats will join, someone will ask me to kick. I kick, someone joins that is better and then we play.
Consider this though - I don't, even for a second, assume that people would play solely in these types of games (high level v high level) exclusively. I simply know that alot of us are not playing each other. This might facilitate some more competition and also help people who have been alienated find another niche to play in. There won't be an exclusive community of pricks that refuse to play with anyone else.
Feel free to add to the list as people come to mind or continue this discussion of course.
Sounds good Pacov, if people consider me good enough I'd love to play with you aswell in that mix thingie.
Honestly booting n00bs from games in favor of another top player would probably be doing them a favor. They should be playing with other n00bs. I played a game the other day that was so blatantly one-sided from the start I felt dirty. Those types of games were funny for a while but honestly I'd rather lose to better players and learn something. Only problem is there are none. That last line was inspired by PlaygroundLegend.
Playing with balanced pug teams is better but ultimately it comes down to "I lost because my partner was a terrible feeder" or "I lost because I didn't pick Oak".
You see how long this list is? Minus Orcun who is clearly worshipped by all, everyone has a different idea of what makes a 'top player'. There are obviously plenty of good players out there at this point. There has to be a way to set these games up.
i would like to second jay_buddai and phyce. jay had a sick reg and phyce just wtfroflraped.
oh also, hiroshima plays a SICK rook, in the style of obscenitor. Having him on my team is a fucking joy.
a fucking joy.
oh ya, and cowbuttsex plays a disgusting TB, maybe the best ive ever seen. and his oak isnt too shabby. actually he plays alot of dg's on the pro level. fuck him tho we always lose when we partner.
I don't think I've ever had the chance to see cow's tb. Sometime soon I hope. I know he's a great player though. I'll update the op soon with the latest names. Nice to see some positive comments from the bullpen.
without updating the list and just making a quick count... we already have like 40 or so people in the list.
Alberto Alterschism Epiphenomenon iamKira Kitty0007 lethstang McGreg Obiwhan Sevenix Vesuvius JudeTepes Morpheas768 NinjaAlk Dark_Satana Hemp_Guy There are a bunch more, but these are the ones I can remember playing with recently (i.e. 3 weeks ago) who haven't already made the list
Cant help but notice how few QoTs make the list...or DAs for that matter...just a couple TBs and Regs as well. Youd think after a year they would have a little more balancing among the toons. Whats the goal of this list btw, I see you talking about creating a "guild" type thing where good players can play with other good players? Is that the goal? or is it for pure bragging rights? some other clandestine option I havent thought of?
Nomi - if that scenario actually happens, then its best for the game. Would you want to be a nubcake in the midst of stone cold killers? Not I sir.
It's ok, nobody knows me either and I've been in since the beta.
But I'll nominate you if it makes you feel better hehe.
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