This thread has been closed by pacov - a new thread has been created here: http://forums.demigodthegame.com/383615
Why create this thread?
Simply stated, the ladder is generally not the best depiction of skill, imho. It GENERALLY tracks who plays the game the most and/or who acts like a jerk by cheating instead of who the most talented players are. That's not to say that everyone high up in the ladder falls into this category. So, if I were to put together my own ladder that indicated skill, I wonder how things would shake out. Obvious hurdles being that many highly skilled individuals don't play each other. So, this requires either the people that don't play together to play more together (my personal choice) or I have to rely from feedback from other players.
Your part if you want to participate
Who do you guys think are the best players in demigod today? I understand that its a team game, but individual players do tend to stand out (and I also know that one great player can't guarantee a win if he has weak teammates, etc). I'm happy to have everyone's feedback. I'm not looking for people to jump in and flame. Just call out who you think is great or who you'd like to see fight. Perhaps we'll get games going. You want to flame and talk crap, your post will probably end up deleted.
You can nominate anyone you want. To keep this from being a list of who likes who, several individuals that are generally considered excellent at the game will moderate the list. If those individuals generally agree, a player can be removed or promoted in the list.
I've decided on 4 categories of players and have provided descriptions of each. Please recommend players along with the category you feel they fit in.
Tier 1 Demigod Players:
Realistically, its my belief that there are 10-30 players in this game that are tier 1 DG players (the best). Those players shine as individuals, generally with a wide variety of characters and do not depend on a specific team or teammate to do well. They can play exceptionally in 1v1, 2v2, 3v3, 4v4, and 5v5. These are players that do not cheat or desync games. These are the people that you want on your team or you want to play against because you know you will get a good game. Any player in this list or any other should currently be an active player.
Tier 2 Demigod Players:
These are players that don't quite currently fit into highest level of players, but are good players all the same. Perhaps they require a specific team or can only do well in specific types of games (1v1, 2v2). The bottom line is that they aren't quite as polished or versatile as the highest level players.
Tier 3 Demigod Players:
A third group (or list) would be everyone else. No need to list individuals...
Demigod Players that Should Be Avoided:
These would be specific individuals that clearly (and I mean clearly) cheat. You don't get on this list unless I (pacov) am VERY convinced that you belong here.
Man, I wish most of the community could comprehend this. Another thing annoys me is, we clearly put 2 v 2 teams/premade in the titles of the matches, but the only guys who join are this pugs who can't read. Then they might try to balance the teams even though it is established that this is a team game. I don't mind when good players join without a team, because they accept they will take anyone but damn, the rest of them...
Hell, the only ones who are an actual team and will stay for long spans of time are 2nana/PrinceMardini/Heroes temp and I regard them to be one of the best teams/players. They aren't too great in prison but in cataract, they are map control heroes. The way they play reminds of Erska/Sakke but without that element of if you rush them, they should crumble feeling.
franmella should definetly not be on there.
I played with Ragarth the first game I ever played online in retail. We went up to the then top players Flurus and his mate, which we won. It may have something to do with us choosing double erebus and 900 dmg bites though.
I'll ask if we can get a feature that lets people see a list of the players they've made notes on using the notes system.
That'd be great. Thanks Istari!
Comprehend what? That you like playing with your teammates and it is hard to get a game with them? I think we all get that, however just don't care. I play premades every once in a while if they are willing to boot the newer players to make it some what fair (however most don't and just tell me to get out) because there are plenty of good public players out there that can make it competitive.
But how often do you join premade games without your premade when there are other game choices in the lobby? I doubt ever.
What I don't get is that premades(where I'm obviously one of) are constantly whining about their games not filling up. They have some sort of feeling that someone should play them. The reason why we don't get in many games is of course that noone likes getting bashed. Again I play both premade and Pub(extensively) and I am not at all concerned if balance is needed. Unbalanced games are really really not fun, not for the losing or the winning party.
Hey I do pay against other premades alone, but I'll only stick around if my 2nd is competant/friend. I just want high level matches without a pug.
Also Pacov if you want to do 2 v 2 against us, come on now? It'll be fun. I know you are there somewhere...*Looks left and right*
probably the most entertaining would be me n kalel or me n trouser. I will be on later. It might be best to try to set a time and password the game. I'm guessing we will keep missing each other for a bit until we do that. Oh.. and I hit the forums up throughout the day when I'm working. No ability to play dg when that's going on.
If you use a vent try to make it the Lagwar vent. Whenever I play I'm in there, same for Obscenitor. I see Maccilia in there from time to time and Pacov as well. If both me and Obs are on we will always play 2v2 against any premade that wants to. It's just hard to get a game going, as everyone already concluded.
Here's lagwars vent info, in case you don't have it, thatguyyoulove.
Lagwars Server
Host: Oxygen.typefrag.com
Port: 50216
Whenever I pop over there, I typically see Obsc and kings.
Alright, I got nothing better to do anyway.Green for 1st tier, Orange for 2nd and black for N/A
hmmm...
I'm weeding through some of these posts and making some updates to the list. Let me know if you spot anyone that's been inactive for over a month and I'll remove them.
oh... and I think I'm going to stick with the 3 tier system. I can see why it would be good to add another layer as per Ke5trel, but that increases the micromanagement of this thread all the more, increases debates/flaming, etc. Might expand it to 3 a little later... for now I'm trying to sift through tier 2 and get some initial people into tier 1.
here's that replay of Ragarth and Kingslet and me
http://www.gamereplays.org/demigod/replays.php?game=51&tab=upcoming&show=details&id=106491
What a strange thread. I do not know if this is such a great idea, seperating into tiers Will make some people angry...
For the record, my three best are Rook, UB, and Oak. (Definietly the best Oak ever seen in the history of DG ever.)But like most good players, I am competent with all DGs.
Hedgie, I remember my first game with the Pacov vent group, trying to play my Oak. I was such a little nublet!
I'd like to nominate Orcun to be put in the top tier category, even though he is inactive. He's the best demigod player we've seen to date. There is no other player that matches his in skill in any demigod. I think we should honor him!
Lastly, who would be interesting in participating in a closed tournmanent, made up of random teams from people on this list?
Taking rnz0's list and discussing tier 1 listings:
i know what you mean. I'm trying to keep things from getting nasty.
Thanks, Ke5. I'll check this out later!
I'm sorry but what is the most impressive Orcun replay? Is it the one where he spams snipe on renewal reg and inevitably loses?
I fear nasty rooks like Obs, Ninki and Posidenii moreso than Orcun tbh. I haven't played vs him that much but I haven't seen anything that impressive and with all the games he's played there should be an uber nasty replay of him out there somewhere, yeah?
"Hedgie, I remember my first game with the Pacov vent group, trying to play my Oak. I was such a little nublet!"
I meant like... when we first met eachother, several months ago. You were like "irek, remember me from gameranger!" and then we hung out. I was screwing around with Queen at the time and we did a 2v2 against the DN clan where I was Queen and you were Oak on Prison against a UB/Sed combo. You were certainly still getting the feel for things, esp since your playstyle seemed derived from the Heart of Life days I was talking about those. I don't really remember your first game on Pacov's vent I may have been inactive.
2nana - Never played with this person
Amazing_Hero (oak) - No for tier 1 (this is being VERY picky.) Archon_SAAR Have only played one game with can't comment.
Atma44x (torch bearer) - Have not played with enough recently to comment.
destroyer989 (reg, but good w all) - Have not played recently enough to comment.
Epiphenomenon (beast) - Tier 2 but could definetly change my mind in a few games.
gl_Mithrander (oak + erb) - Haven't played with enough.Hemp_Boy/rnz0 - Last time I played he either intentionally desynced game or it was an accident, either way my team of NinkiCZ and some one else destroyed his team. Otherwise can't comment on him.
Janook - Been to long to make an assessment.Jona_ (beast) - Tier 2kalelSmX (beast + rook + reg) - Have played very few games with Kalel because he prefers to play premade games, no comment.Ke5trel - tier 2Lordi17 (oak + erb) - Lordi + eX is a mean premade, haven't played with him much recently so no comment.Mcshane87 (sedna + tb + oak) - Haven't played with enough recently but I would say tier 1morpheas768 (erebus) - Played a few games with Morph in the past week would say tier 2
Naur (oak + da + reg) Last few games I played versus Naur I destroyed him, tier 2
NinkiCZ (rook + everybody) - Tier 1 excellant player
Obscenitor /horsestrangler (rook + beast) - Been to long since I had a game with obs, no commentOrcun_BL (reg + beast) - tier 1, always impresses me.
pacov (beast + reg) - been way to long since I have played with Pacov. no comment
Pantz (beast) (ooze monster) - an Ooze beast comparable to mine tier 2 atleast maybe higher.Posidenii (rook) - Haven't seen him in ages, should not be considered for list at allrawrrr (beast) - Been ages since I have played with Rawrr, no comment.
Sakke - Never played with Sakke, no comment.Shinobinomono (rook) - Been to long, no comment.
ThatGuyYoulove (oak) (inb4 teammate) - No comment, been to long.trousersnake (rook + beast) - Trouser has always impressed me tier 1
Cowbutt you keep forgetting me.
I'm boxxy_Koush, we've played like 3 or 4 times together. I should mention they all ended in my win but that's not the point
hehe... u kids and your name changes... didn't even occur to me that you were koush.
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