Again, the level of math I expect here, this time from the other side.

The point is that at 0.2 C per decade (which even alarmists don't claim we're at yet) it will take 100 years to get the 2 C increase we are supposed to be fearing.

Given the people in this topic, I'm not sure it *was* sarcasm, and even if it was it's extremely likely that most people in here would not see it as such.

Reliable and respectable news stations have died, not science.

I don't know, just because Fox gets things wrong less often than the rest(opinion shows aren't news and being in disagreement with them is irrelevant) doesn't mean they're right often enough for me to think of them as reliable or respectable.

Every time they cut away from covering the self destructive political shenanigans screwing the country into the ground to spend two days blowing the latest dead celebrity, they fail to be a news source entirely.

That's fancy-talk. The real critter in question is Trust. It ain't dead yet, but it sure could use some supernaturally skilled trauma surgeons.

A hundred years isn't  all that long.

I was going to stay ou t of this... but I really want to make 1 point why I don't believe all the hype, especially from Al Gore...

It's not because he's left or right... it's because he's a politician... plain and simple.  Doesn't matter if he's a democrat or republican or communist or friggin alien... he's a politician!!!!  And NONE of them can be trusted!!!

You want to know how i figured out it was all a scam?  Because I'm nearly 50... I was there when the REAL hippies walked the earth!!!  I was 7 years old in 1969... I not only grew up around REAL hippies, I worshipped them!!!  Some of the greatest tree huggers on the Earth were my babysitters!  For Gods sake, the first album I remember hearing was Pink Floyd Ummagumma when it first came out...  years before anyone knew who Pink Floyd was!!!  I was there at the protests and the loveins... usually one of the little kids running around naked... but I was there and I remember!!!

So when these 'Environmentalists"... these so-called experts... started to grovel to Al Gore and every word he dribbled... his whole lame "The planet has a fever..." bit, I knew it was not just a scam, these weren't even real tree huggers...

Because the 1st and most important law of true tree hugging environmentalism is NEVER trust the Government!!!!

Are you kidding me?  Did you miss all the muttering about peak oil?  We've got like 20 years of it if the world keeps growing at the estimated rate to jump 2 degrees in the next century.  Coal we have more of, but even then we'll deplete it first.  Once the easy access stuff is gone, the problem solves itself as alternative power sources become cheaper.  If we're even using petroleum as a primary fuel source by the time it gets scarce, it will be because we've somehow lost the ability to create the numerous replacements we already have now that will be cheaper then.

No politician pays attention unless there's something in it for them.

Go online and search up some of Al's info and you'll find he's HEAVILY invested in all sorts of "Green Technology".  If there's no real "Global Climate Change" he can capitolize on loses $$$ big-time!!!  Al has his hand in the pocket of green energy as far as Bush had it in the oil companies...

It's the same scam all over again!!!

Just another person , who thinks that that bulldozing forests and polluting waters with poisons is the same thing as pumping CO2 into atmosphere. It is not and more importantly these pollutions will not be fixed by cap and trade. It is not CO2, but sulphur and other gases exhausted by coal plants, which poison the nature, but this could be solved by additional tech like filters etc... Nobody here is disputing that this kind of protection should not be mandatory for the oil-powered industry, defined by law and  controlled by government. But that is completely another thing as pushing currently more expensive and less efficient green technology at expense of the oil-based one. I wonder if people think that this green tech is materialised out of the thin air or what. If it is more expensive than carbon tech, it probably means that the input costs to produce such tech are higher...

And no, the skeptics are not distracting from the main issue, we just happen to distinguish between different ways of damaging of environment and do not believe that carbon cap is  da best and all encompassing solution for all of them.

I am not surprised that your "refutation" is no such thing.  And that most of the evidence is provided by blogs of AGW advocates.  Do you have any legitimate sources?

It is the latest tactic of the AGW religious.  Whenever you show them the fallacy of their god, they attack you by accusing you of satanism (siding with the oil companies).  Yet they get blue in the face when it is pointed out that:

1. most of the money is coming from Governments FOR AGW

2. AND most of the oil money is going to AGW

Hey, no need to jump down his throat. His post wasn't directed at anyone specifically. It was just a generic, "we should take care of the environment regardless of your opinions of global warming." While he may not have given the best examples of carelessness when it comes to the environment, you can't deny that there is carelessness happening all over the world.

I don't think what he said was in contention with anyone here (as Timmaigh said), so I don't understand why you jumped down his throat.

And for you to claim that the USA doesn't have it's own environmental carelessness, then you are sorely mistaken. I can immediately think of a number of cases that have been in the spotlight in recent years (drilling in ANWR, off-shore drilling, etc).

His post was merely a broad statement calling for awareness, that's all. The only thing that you could call out in question was how he claimed that skeptics are distracting from the issue. But, your post was hardly in response to that and went far beyond that.