I disagree on this, it really is one of the most effective DPS items out there right now. The main thing is that the 250 damage isn't mitigated by armor and it's at a pretty massive 15% proc rate, so if you assume people are at 40% armor mitigation, autoattack damage has gotta climb up to 500 berfore the proc alone is outdone by Slayer's Wraps. Considering it has a 50% higher proc rate, I *think* you could say that it needs to reach 750 before it's a true DPS increase over NR, but don't quote me on that, I'm not competent at statistics.

The change I'd like to see made is for is for the 5% ranged proc rate reduction to be removed. Currently TB, QoT, and Regulus aren't widely respected as being especially effective, so the 10% proc rate for them seems kind of arbitrary to me.

This one is kind of a mixed bag. On its own I think the item isn't especially impressive, but against certain teams, on certain maps, and with a Staff of Renewal the thing can seem overpowered. For example against a minion swarmer it's just going to buy you 5 extra seconds, but against a fire TB or Regulus you can block Fireballs and Mines.

I feel the Orb works best against against the weaker DGs and that buffing it to be effective against the stronger ones would probably be a bit unfair to the weaker ones it would just counter that much harder.

Personally I love the thing with rook when I've got a staff of renewal on a map with a cooldown flag. Once the thing gets under 30 seconds it's pretty crazy how powerful it can be. That being said, it does take up a cap lock or sigil spot, so it's hard to say.

I honestly think you'd be pleasantly surprised by Nature's Reckoning if you haven't used it much before. On a DG like Sedna, DA, or Oak I think its utility is pretty incredible. Oak's probably my favorite, Divine Justice works in if you get a kill on the proc, and it also brings reinforcements low enough for rank 1 Surge of Faith to wipe them out.

As an AoE tool with strong single target benefits, I think NR is a great example of how things ought to be.  As for the rest, I think that artifacts are a good guide for how to adjust current items in that artifacts tend to offer both offense and defence. I think that most DPS items could benefit from some extra HP, lifesteal, armor, or HPs without requiring any major rebalancing. I mean the goal is just to get people to buy different items and not necessarily to end fights faster, right?

There's always procs and auras.  They could even add on attack speed or damage if you look at the Cloak of Night's stat combo. I realize it's a trinket, but I just mean that it shows that damage and mana don't have to be mutually exclusive.

I disagree, there's only seven helmets and four of them are useful.

The Plate Visor, Theurgist's Cap, and Vinling Helm are the unpopular ones, and at the very least the Plate Visor would be easy to fix. Just bump it up to 40% or so regen and give it 400-700 mana. It then becomes very useful on any map with a +15 mana/second flag.

The others just need to have their current attributes and price tweaked until they hit hte sweet spot. I mean looking at the Theurgist's cap, for example, it's got enough odd stats on it to tweak without having to worry a whole lot about mana regen. Really recovering mana seems like it must have been an afterthought when they designed it.

You might be on to something katana

Give us some suggestions and we'll see what we think

Will comment on helms later.

 

I'm very much in favor of one big community mod, but before the we as a community make one some research should be done on how item changes impact gameplay. Therefor I think it's a great idea to do this. 

 

So you want me/us to make suggestions for one item category and you'll mod it in, and then we can beta test it?

 

 

P.S. Maybe one item has no mana regen at all, but has a massive mana pool so on maps with close crystals it may be viable to entirely forgo regen items.

beta version uploaded. Updated my post.

Good idesa.

I agree that it would probably be easier just to focus on one section at a time.

Would the goal be to not have a useless/duplicated item?

If so, my suggestions for items.

Scaled - Useful as is.

Plate Visor - 70% mana regen and 10% chance to siphon 150 mana. No other mana pool. Cost to nearly the same as scaled.

Plenor - pretty good. Massive mana boost fits its purpose.

Vlemish - Also pretty useful.

Theurgist - Seems to be the minion helm. So i like your idea, but maybe +300hp for minions and +5hps for minions. Maybe only 18+ for mana regen, as 20+ is comparable to an artifact.

Vinlings - Seems to be in a bit of a design flaw. So i propose it as a mana pool, with no regen properties. 3300 gold - the slayers wraps of helms.

+2375 mana with a 10% chance to burn 250 of the enemys mana for damage on attack.

Hungarlings - As the expensive mana crown, I like your idea. Fits its purpose. Good price point too.

 

Do you mean that the enemy loses 250 mana and gets hit for 250 damage? Seems a little OP imo.

Hmm i didnt test any item by playing a game, but i just tested them to see if there are any bugs/problems etc.

So it could be OP, maybe you are right, BUT with 700 mana and 5500 gold price, who ever bought this item?

I know i never bought it in Multiplayer games, because it didnt worth it.

Maybe make it 1050 mana? or leave it 700?

Anyway, about the different categories you said, i agree, but i would need some suggestions to do that.

I cant just make stuff up, because people will strongly disagree to some changes at least.

I need feedback from people to do that.

I need feedback from more people.

just 1 or 2 suggestions wont get me anywhere.....

You do know that the default price of this item is 600 gold right?

You cant have 5% mana cost reduction aura AND 600 mana AND mana % regen. It would be too OP.

The default price of this item is 2000 gold. Setting it to 2500, would be increasing it not reducing.

So you suggest 2 Auras for the Vinling? It already has 1 Aura. That doesnt make any sense

 

Sorry, morph, I just copied and pasted something I posted from another thread.   I agree with Golgoth, though. Let's set the price at 5000.

updated to 0.2 in order to change the price of Hungarling's Crown to 5000 gold.