Today came to school and saw a group of students distributing pamflets with the title "Save the planet by consumming smartly" and when I saw this not to eco morons again. Now don't get me wrong we do need to consume smartly and reduce polution and blabla lost fo other things we do that we shouldn't do. But saving the planet is not what we need to do or what we should say we need to do. It's us that we need to save the planet will be fine. Before repling you should watch thsi movie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUHNn3bmL8o
no, those were "conservationists".
conservatives are people who prefer the status quo, and if change needs to be made, it must be made slowly. this doesn't mean that they are mutually exclusive though.
republicans became "conservative" and "right wing" when Nixon got the southern democrats to join the republican party. before then, they were "liberals" meaning they supported less government oversight, and individual rights. they were created as an anti slavery party. the democrats being the conservative, proslavery party, or at least antiabolition.
but lets say this. teddy roosevelt was the greatest conservationist this country ever had. he was also the most inperialistic, militaristic guy ever. all in all he was pretty awesome. he was also a big hunter and industrialist. but yeah, he'd kick my ass if i said "pave the rainforest"
You know, as much as I think George Carlin is right, I like humanity and I want it to save itself. In particular, it should start colonizing other worlds LIKE IT SHOULD BE DOING.
\ Sigh...
You all can look at history and try to say what is "right" and "just".
However, you fail to look at today. And you fail to look at the OP...
This is a post on environmental wackism... not religion (even though environmentalism is by all definitions, a religion)
We may be the gardeners of this planet, but we didn't create it. We don't even know the intricacies of how it works. We still are finding species we have never seen (ocean depths, rain forests, ect)
Get off your intellectual high chair and realize how little you actually know.
technically i was responding to the "most arrogant thing humanity can say" and then it all fell apart.
and yes. i recognize that being a know-it-all hothead rarely solves anything. its a problem.
i think the OP didnt explain himself well but i got the idea and agree. people are arrogant. and they want to think their every action is going to be either gods gift to the world or the ending decision for something. these are the same people that dont believe in consuming animals for food.....................which is an ass backwards idea. according to science plants are as much ALIVE as animals or you and me are. so its ok to kill one lifeform for you to continue living but not another?? but back on topic. people think that by the earth becoming more hostile that its all our faults and that somehow we need to stop it............quite arrogant to think you can stop nature dont you think? people are afraid the Earth will become too hostile for themselves to survive not animals................any animal that goes extinct will be replaced by another creature. its just the way life keeps bouncing back. Earth will be around ALOT longer then humans and LIFE will be around ALOT longer then humans NO MATTER what we do to our enviroment. Earths taken a beating from more powerful effects then humans.
i really think humans need to be smart about consumption and waste and just be more mindful of our effect on everything. but i really dont think that somehow were capable (atleast yet) of totally destroying all life on Earth. even if all our nukes were set off and our nuclear reactors were to go off. i can guarantee you that life would still continue on, it might not be human (as well definitely be gone) and it might have a hard time for the next few 100 thousand years but eventually life would bounce back and be stronger then ever.
people need to just be honest not just with others but themselves......................were here to save OURSELVES not Earth...
What rankles me is that so many environmentalist crusaders want to have their cake and eat it too. As EvilTesla mentioned earlier, any action we take will have some impact. "No impact man" is a myth.Here are some examples of confused enviromentalism with regards to clean energy:1) Hydroelectric power is practically 100% clean energy. It does not produce any waste. Yet dams are being destroyed in order to restock rivers with salmon. Any new dam is faught because of the canyons and land the lake would cover. Yes, fish and canyons are nice, but are they worth it if a coal plant is used instead of a clean hydroelectric generator?2) Solar power has long been the icon of clean energy. However, recent attempts to build large solar plants in the southwest (where it is most practical) have stalled due to complaints that the large installations would disrupt desert animals, and that the transmission lines running through these remote places would be "unsightly".3) Wind power is a great complement to solar energy but has run into the same NIMBY obstructionists.Sometimes I think radical environmentalist want us to all commit mass suicide or return to the stone age. That would show the planet that we really care.
Sorry for the rant.
Why is it that all the godless environmentalist wackjobs, who I presume would believe in evolution, what with it kinda being the only working theory, completely ignore the circumstances of their own existence?
This planet isn't a garden, it's a snow globe. Now I happen to like the fact that it's one third iced over during winter and too cold to live in comfortably in many areas, with vastly suboptimal weather for life, I still wear shorts when it's cold enough to freeze your spit before it hits the ground. Some time in the next few thousand years, if history can be anything resembling a guide, this planet will turn back into an ice cube, with glaciers working their way down to kansas. The several billion people and accompanying wildlife will be slaughtered wholesale in the fight for the remaining lands. Since it's currently cooling despite higher than normal solar activity, it may be time to start shitting yourselves right now. If we could actually warm this planet up to a level where it doesn't spend 80% of the time looking like a Christmas decoration, it would be the best thing to ever happen to humanity. Global warming alarmists bring me great amusement.
Then there's all the crazy conservationists. If we happen to kill off a few species, why is it a problem?
Evolution is a process of elimination.
We've got some owl variant that only lives between such and such, obviously this owl sucks. If it didn't, it would range over a wider territory. If anything, it should be our duty to nature to weed it out for good so it can stop wasting space. Every time we save a fish that only lives in one river, or a bug that only lives in one valley, we're trying to prevent what is supposedly the natural course of life on earth.
I have no problem with not hunting whale X to extinction. Regardless of my views on hunting something that might be smarter than me, it's stupid to exterminate a viable, valuable resource. Especially in the wasteful manner that commercial whalers practice. Ending civilization over a bait fish that only lives in one river? That's just fucked in the head.
Evolution favours species which can adapt to new circumstances. If those circumstances mean that the one kind of fish which hasn't ranged to a new habitat lives and the others which live elsewhere die, then evolution doesn't necessarily favour creatures which spread to new habitats.
Also because some species can interbreed, there's nothing to say that a less-ranged species can't pass on its traits when it mates with a more-ranged species. Doing so means that traits such as disease resistance can be passed on and expressed in future generations of both populations.
Sometimes fitness for survival is not as simple as how far you can go from the nest, or how quickly your population can grow. Sometimes you need to be able to cope with things which aren't always present in the environment, but can come back.
Arrogant?...I'm not sure. I think it's noble idea, just not possible IMO. I think we can be good stewards of the land, but I don't think we can save it. That's in God's hands.
I sometimes wonder if we use all this "green" technology, if sometime in the future we will find out that we are screwing up something unforeseen.
the issue is being self aware.........it comes with arrogance that everything belongs to us (animals and the earth) and that we can decide (like God or Nature for those that dont believe in God or God(s)) wether a species lives or dies. Reality is every creature that has gone extinct is because of a natural incident or because another creature out did it or just over ate it. Like Heft said and I said before. Its good that we are concious of how we effect the world around us. Its our responsibility as a Sentient Species to be mindful of what we do. But it doesnt mean were "owners" of this planet and we make a decision to "save" a planet that DOESNT need saving. Like I posted in another thread..........Its not just the Earth thats warming up........its the WHOLE damn Solar System. Jupiter has lost a number of rings of clouds and one of its "Eyes". Mars is warmer then it should be...........and Pluto is warmer then it was when it was closer to the sun just 40 years ago.........so really while our actions arent "helping" the Earth........Its not the core issue for the Earth warming up. The whole "Were killing the Earth" bs is just people manipulating the real facts of whats going on. Because truth betold we dont know what is really going on with the Earth. The Earth has been steadily warming up since the last Ice Age, If this is anything its the final stages of the warming process before it plateaus and then declines back into another Ice Age. Just a normal part of the cycle of life here on Earth.
I'm just wishing people'd learn how to spellz.
Ya, mee two.
ok... time to outline some distinctions.
First of all-Christianity. yes, christians have done horrible things. so has everyone else there. there is a fine line between what a religion may teach and how the "adherents" follow it or twist it to suit their purposes. if you look at medeival europe, there are many more reasons than religion for the things they did, many of which were motivated by greed.
Next, on killing off "usless" species existing in only one place. the previous posts have a point, but it is arrogance- it's that word again!- to believe that we have more than even basic understanding of the connections that compose the natural world. sure it may seem useless, but that's when you discover that it is vitally important for the ecosystem in question.
@ heft- i agree tootally wid u alz.
George Carlin was the Man. I was so sad when he died. We lost one of the best comedians who ever lived that day.
yeah. definitely!
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